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Topic: B to B flat
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Billy Murdoch
Member From: Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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posted 21 August 2005 12:22 PM
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Hello all,
I've recently bought a guitar with this change on a vertical lever(on E9 Neck)This change is new to me and I would be grateful if someone could show me how to use it for best effect
Thanks
Best wishes
Billy |
SveinungL
Member From: Oslo - Norway - Europe
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posted 21 August 2005 12:53 PM
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You are flattening the fifth getting an E flat5 chord. A great example of practical use might be the classical Tom Brumley lick: Strings 4 and 5 with the A-pedal pressed, release the A-pedal, bring in the B to Bb lower, release the lower and bring in the A-pedal again, release it and lower E to Eb simultaniously. It sounds a bit "church-organ-like."
The progression is 5 to 1. On the first fret using this lick, you will go from a G7 to a C.
The interval between E and Bb (strings 4 and 5) are essential in all seventh chords.
This is one of maybe 10000000000000 uses for it.
Hope it helps!
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Thanks Sveinung Lilleheier
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Ad Kersten
Member From: Beek en Donk, The Netherlands
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posted 21 August 2005 02:13 PM
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Billy,I use this pedal often to get a 9th chord. Let's say you go from I to II9:
play A major in the 5th position, no pedals (f.i. strings 3-4-5) and then lower the 5th string with your knee lever -> B9 is right there. Beautiful change. 
Many more things are possible of course.
You're gonna love this lever! Ad ------------------
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Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 21 August 2005 02:31 PM
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In the G# minor chord position (E-Eb knee lever engaged) the change gives you a nice scale lick, of b3 to 2. In that same position, thinking B6, it gives you either a Major 7th or minor 9th, depending on which string you use as a root, or with the Boo Wah pedal, a 9th chord, or with the B pedal (The one that yeilds a C# 9 chord), the change converts that to a 6/9 chord. |
David Nugent
Member From: Gum Spring, Va.
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posted 21 August 2005 05:26 PM
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Engaging the A pedal and Bb lever together should give you a 1/2 tone raise on strings five and ten. |
John Ummel
Member From: Arlington, WA.
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posted 21 August 2005 07:29 PM
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I like the sound of this lower for a major 7 tone in the B6 position.[This message was edited by John Ummel on 21 August 2005 at 07:32 PM.] [This message was edited by John Ummel on 21 August 2005 at 07:32 PM.] [This message was edited by John Ummel on 21 August 2005 at 07:48 PM.] |
Craig A Davidson
Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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posted 21 August 2005 07:48 PM
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(quote)Engaging the A pedal and Bb lever together should give you a 1/2 tone raise on strings five and ten. Unless it is a push-pull. ------------------
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Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 21 August 2005 08:36 PM
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I use it to make a minor chord out of a major chord when using the A & B pedals. For example, you have a "D" on the 5th fret using the A & B pedals; engaging the Bb lever will make it a D minor chord. |
Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 22 August 2005 01:00 AM
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Using the B-Bb lever to make the pedals down chord minor only works if your guitar have a tunable split. If is doesn't, the note resulting from the use of the A pedal and the B-Bb lever will not be in tune.Even if you can play the chord in tune, it's better to make the chord by moving the bar back two frets and useing the B and C pedals. From that pisition, you can get certain minor scale passages and licks that you can't get by stepping on the pedals and lowering the 54th string with the knee lever. |
Charlie McDonald
Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA
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posted 22 August 2005 02:29 AM
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The 54th string! Now, there's an extended E9 that I could really enjoy. Someday.... |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 22 August 2005 08:08 AM
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My guitar must have a tunable split....you learn something new everyday.  Typical of the steel guitar....just when you think you know enough to pass something on, you realize you still don't know anything! Ha-ha..... |
Hans Holzherr
Member From: Ostermundigen, Switzerland
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posted 22 August 2005 12:24 PM
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There's a way around the tunable split: Adding a raise pull rod to the B-Bb lever bell crank, which will affect the Bb, but not the C when pedal A is engaged with the lever. The C will be tuned on the lower pull rod, and the Bb on the raise pull rod. BTW, if you have the Franklin pedal, this is the only option, because you must not set the split screw.Hans |
Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 22 August 2005 03:13 PM
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quote:
the 54th string
OOOOPPPPSSSS!!!!  |
John Davis
Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 24 August 2005 01:33 AM
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Hi, Billy,
I will be in Scotland with Patsy Cline tribute show (Sandy Kelly) on the 1st 2nd and 3rd September, hope you can make one of the shows.
Regards,John |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 24 August 2005 08:26 AM
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I use that change mostly in single note lead lines. It's necessary as a scale tone in the IV position.
I don't lower the 10th string, so I also use it for a major 7th chord with the E's lowered (BM7). If I thumb the 11th string G# as the root, it's a jazzy G#m9.
When you're constructing jazz chords, it's similar to the C to B lever on the C6th neck. I don't play much jazz, but those pretty chords can be nice in other kinds of music too.------------------
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