No, you won't experience any additional string breakage (that 2hz is an increase of less than 1/2%).

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that 2hz is an increase of less than 1/2%

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There's a difference between the STEEL PLAYER tuning to 441 or 442 when the BAND tunes 440 and the whole thing shifted to 442. If the steel player has decided to shift his/her tuning a Hz or two north of concert and then the WHOLE BAND is tuning a couple more Hz sharp, he/she will end up 16 cents sharp. That's 16% of the way up to F.

I seem to recall that b0b does this -- could be wrong. In any case it's more than just 8 cents sharp if, as many steel players, you tune your E's to A=441 or 442.

And I'll wager that yes, you will have to retune some or most of the pedal changes. (but I won't wager MUCH)

String breakage? I doubt it, but I woudn't bet much on that one either.

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Steve Gibson just informed us that the piano for this years CMA will be tuned to 442. The NY rental tuners refuse to take it down to 440. Its more common than you might realise for concert pianos.
Your steel should handle it without having to change anything.

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Guys...I'm not blowing smoke here, I've done this! Bobby (and anyone else that's interested), adding 2hz to a 440hz tuning is a change of less than 1/2 of one percent, both in overall pitch and string tension. I don't know how I can make it any plainer than that. That's a small enough change to be insignificant, in my book. I've retuned that much (or more than that) many times (hundreds, probably), and have never had to retune my pedals.

edited: I just noticed your post..thanks Paul for your input. Maybe they'll believe you! (I ain't havin' too much luck here .)

[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 27 September 2005 at 07:52 PM.]

There are presets for E9th and C6th.

They transfer the Hertz thing. And when the
bars stop rolling . . .you are in tune with NO BEATS.

Larry has a point, that if you were already tuning your Es 2 Hz (8 cents) sharp to account for cabinet drop or stretch tuning (as I do), then to match the band's 442, you'd want to tune the Es to 444, which is 16 cents sharp of 440. However, it would still be only 8 cents sharp of the 442 you normally tuned the Es to. So again, it shouldn't cause anymore string breakage, or a noticeable change in the pedal and knee stops.

I think Donny inadvertently did the math backwards converting Hz to cents. It's not often I disagree with either Donny or Larry; but I guess I'm on a roll, and plan to take full advantage of it.

[This message was edited by David Doggett on 28 September 2005 at 07:51 AM.]

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Bobby (and anyone else that's interested), adding 2hz to a 440hz tuning is a change of less than 1/2 of one percent, both in overall pitch and string tension.

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[This message was edited by Bobby Lee on 28 September 2005 at 11:17 AM.]

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Since the cents scale is defined as 0.01 semitone, it IS a percentage. If you tune 8 cents sharp you are EIGHT PERCENT sharp. 16 is SIXTEEN PERCENT sharp.

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Well, I'm not going to argue over our different frames of reference because the percentages (whatever they be) really don't matter! Whether its 2%, 8% or even 16%, when everything (all notes, all instruments) is raised proportionally, it will still "sound" in tune.

Try this...play a 33 1/3 RPM record at its proper speed. Now, speed it up to 45 RPM. Sure, it sounds different (higher in pitch, and faster), but doesn't everything still sound "in tune"? That's because everything was shifted proportionally. Indeed, with the pedal steel, you will soon reach a point when the pedaled notes will need to be adjusted, but my experience is that this doesn't happen with such a small (2hz) change.

Peruse the web, and you'll find out that even people with "perfect pitch" cannot discern a difference of less than 30 cents (that's 30%, right Larry? ) in a single note. It's only when notes are compared that the difference becomes obvious. P.O.V. is everything.

Of course...if you wish, you can certainly go ahead and readjust all the pedal pulls so that they suit your requirements and fit your calculations.

Of course it will be in tune if you tune everything else up proportionally.

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2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

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What would be the advantage of tuning to 442 instead of 440?

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Well, it's 2 more.

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y'know sometimes 440 just idn't enough, you just need a little more

(bad english accent off)

I've done this fair amount on gigs. Accordians are notoriously tuned sharp. Tuning flat is much more likely to cause you to retune pedals.

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