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Topic: Emmons p/p 12-stringers
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Glenn Suchan
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 10 October 2005 09:43 AM
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In the last few days an Emmons S12 p/p was sold by a forum member to another forum member and many of you volunteered your cheers as well as tidbits of info on your own 12-stringer push/pulls. The S10's and especially the D10's are relatively well documented as far as corresponding serial numbers and year of manufacture. This has allowed for close estimations on how many p/p S10's and D10's have been built and what year they were built. The same is not true for the S12's and D12's. I thought it might be a cool idea to start a thread cataloging Emmons p/p 12-string guitars (S12's and D12's). Kinda like the "legendary" ZB thread. I invite you to post as much info as you care to. Such as the body style (S-12, SD-12, D12), whether or not you are the original owner, serial number and year of manufacture (your best estimate), tuning, finish (mica, lacquer, etc.), number of pedals and knee levers, type of pedals (older cast pedals or newer LeGrande style pedals), note whether or not the guitar is factory original or modified. If you would like to add a picture that might be cool, too!  I'll start off with my guitar: S12, s/n S12-190, made in 1981 (I'm not the original owner), single body, universal tuning, rosewood mica finish, 7 pedals (black LeGrande style), 4 knee levers. I believe the guitar is factory original but it has been slightly modified by Bobby Bowman (thanks Bobby) as follows: The LKR has been changed to LKV with an extension (ala Jeff Newman). Oh, I almost forgot, it has the Kluson "keystone" style tuners. Your turn!  Keep on pickin'!
Glenn [This message was edited by Glenn Suchan on 10 October 2005 at 09:47 AM.]
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Chick Donner
Member From: North Ridgeville, OH USA
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posted 10 October 2005 12:44 PM
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I had posted my numbers before, but here they are again.I own two D-12 PP's. . . a black lacquer fatback SN D-116, with "button head" tuners" and which APPEARS to be about a 69 or 70, and a rosewood mica cutout, SN D-127, with butterfly tuners, and which (again) APPEARS to be a 75 or so. If the years are even close, it sounds like about a dozen (D-12) guitars in five or six years. Probably about right, but who knows for sure?[This message was edited by Chick Donner on 10 October 2005 at 12:46 PM.] |
Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 10 October 2005 12:52 PM
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OkieDokie. Just a couple more posts and we will be right up there, keepin' up with the ZeeBees.Emmons P/P SD12
s/n 148 ST
Black
6P/5K Worked on by Mike Cass ca. 2003
Represented as "around 1974". Awaiting a more precise idea of date but that's not of major importance. [This message was edited by Jon Light on 10 October 2005 at 03:45 PM.]
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Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 10 October 2005 01:54 PM
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S/N 124 ST-12
It was sold to me as a '69 (to the best of the owner's knowledge), but Mike Cass told me he thought it was later than that -- early '70s.Like my buddy Jon, I'd like a little better fix on the date, but I'm not obsessing over it. ------------------
Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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James Lombard
Member From: Wisconsin, USA
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posted 10 October 2005 05:42 PM
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Hello to all,I am a new member of the forum, having joined after enjoying all the give and take from everyone.I am the owner of an Emmons D-12 P/P,and would like to add my information to that already posted. The Guitar is A Rosewood Mica, cut-back, 8x5. I am the original owner of this guitar, and still have the original order form. It was ordered on the 22nd of December, 1976, and has the old style cast pedals, along with button-head klusons,and the long knee levers. the serial # is 131 D-12. Jim Lombard------------------
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Jim Thompson
Member From: Washington, Pa. USA
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posted 10 October 2005 06:37 PM
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I have a 1983 Rosewood SD12U with 7&5. I bought it new in May 1983 from the factory. Just like the one that just sold here on the forum a couple of weeks ago. The S/N is either 6609 or 6099 depending on which way you look at it. From the inside out it's 6099. From the outside in it's 6609. Which way do you read the number?
It was set up at the factory as a universal and has the LeGrande pedals. Still plays good. Never had to do anything to it, except a little 3in1 oil now and then. |
Jon Kostal
Member From: Westmont, Illinois, USA
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posted 10 October 2005 08:21 PM
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Recently purchased a wonderful S-12, rosewood mica, U12, worked on by Bobby Bowman. Cut back, button klusons. Serial #103 S. Just got a reply from Emmons. They can't date it exactly, but they think it was built between '71 and '75.
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Jon
Uncle Jons Music
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 10 October 2005 09:21 PM
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My red S12 p/p was an extended E9 3&4 when I bought used from a Forum member. I believe he was the second owner, and it was originally purchased from a Virginia music store in the '80s. It has the newer type pedals. The serial number is 6745, from the outside looking in. So Jim, yours must be 6609. Mine must be one of the last ones made. I now tune and play it as a universal. The LKR gives me a D on string 8 in E9 mode, and also acts as the traditional C6 pedal 6 in B6 mode. Some day I will add three or four more pedals to make the uni conversion complete. It is the best sounding pedal steel I have ever played. I swapped in a TrueTone pickup, but frankly the stock single coil sounded just about as good. |
jim milewski
Member From: stowe, vermont
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posted 11 October 2005 04:36 AM
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put me down for owning two S12s, both extended E9th, both stock pickups, one is wound a kohm more and sounds more middy, love em both, like Dave above, the best sounding guitar I ever owned, both of them actually |
Chippy Wood
Member From: Elgin, Scotland
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posted 11 October 2005 11:40 AM
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Hi, I have a D12 S/N 113 (this is the only number I can see stamped on it there are no other letters or digits)I believe it is around 1973? I bought it last year from Danny Hullihen, it has 8 & 5 with a cutaway back, black mica and button Kluson tuners.
I would welcome more definitive knowledge about this guitar.------------------
Ron (Chippy) Wood
Emmons D10
Emmons D12 [This message was edited by Chippy Wood on 11 October 2005 at 01:17 PM.]
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Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 12 October 2005 07:51 AM
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I have a couple:
One is an S-12, rosewood mica. s/n 158. I bought this one over e-bay and in a prior life it was a "Banshee" and has been completely restored to its former glory.The other is a D-12, brown lacquered model, s/n 119. This was bought from a fellow Forumite and is a beautiful guitar just as it is.[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 16 October 2005 at 07:14 AM.] |
Keith Root
New Member From: Wilder, Idaho, USA
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posted 13 October 2005 06:50 PM
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Emmons P/P 4 on the floor 5 on the knees I believe its orginal can't seem to find anything thats been modified. ext.E/9 I would like to get the parts and turn it into a uni. Serial#142S don't know its age it's black so of course it has the tone |
Duane Reese
Member From: Salt Lake County, Utah
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posted 13 October 2005 07:18 PM
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I have a D-12 p/p, black mica and the serial number is... (let me crawl under this thing here...) 145D12BGE. Bought it from Len Cascia a while back and I think he told me it's from the mid '70s, which would stand to reason, but I sure wish I could find out more. I'm hooked on the sound for sure.-Duane |
George Kimery
Member From: Limestone, TN, USA
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posted 13 October 2005 07:47 PM
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My serial number says 120ST12. It is a black mica SD-12, extended E-9. I am not the original owner. I emailed Emmons and they said it was a 1974. However, Bryan Adams thinks it is later, about 1978. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 13 October 2005 07:50 PM
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I bought a new rosewood formica Emmons S-12 in 1978 and played it for about 4 years. It had a wood neck. I installed LEDs in the neck, under the fretboard, and drilled out the little atoms so that they lit up.
The guitar had 4 pedals and 5 levers, and was tuned to extended E9th. I don't remember the serial number.
It sounded great, but I had problems keeping the pedals in tune. Also, it broke a lot of strings, and the hysteresis on the 4th string drove me nuts. I miss the tone of the guitar, but I never regretted trading it in for a Sierra Crown Gearless.------------------
 Bobby Lee (a.k.a. b0b) - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Williams D-12 E9, C6add9, Sierra Olympic S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop S-8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster D-8 (E13, C6 or A6) My Blog |
Chick Donner
Member From: North Ridgeville, OH USA
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posted 15 October 2005 11:06 AM
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Interesting that Chippy Wood, above, has SN 113 and it's a cutaway and my SN 116 is a fatback. Just goes to show, who knows what they were doing in Burlington in those days. Erv Niehaus, what's the SN of yours? |
George Kimery
Member From: Limestone, TN, USA
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posted 15 October 2005 09:08 PM
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My # 120 is a cut away, split tail. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 16 October 2005 07:12 AM
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My D-12 is s/n #119 and is also a fatback. My S-12 is s/n #158.
Erv[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 16 October 2005 at 07:14 AM.] [This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 16 October 2005 at 07:16 AM.] |
Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 16 October 2005 07:23 AM
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My SD12U s/n 148 ST is a cutaway.Is this bigger than ZB yet? |
Dave Ristrim
Member From: Whites Creek, TN
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posted 18 October 2005 06:06 AM
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Hi Guys,
I will dig out the serial numbers, but I have two D12's. One is the BasketWeave finish, the other rosewood. The Rosewood has 3 pickups on each neck, factory installed. Both steels appear to be early/mid 70's.
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jim milewski
Member From: stowe, vermont
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posted 18 October 2005 11:03 AM
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Dave, any way to post pictures of the three pick up guitar? Much varition in tones? |
Danny Naccarato
Member From: Ft. Worth, Texas US
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posted 18 October 2005 11:46 AM
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Mine is 184 S-12 ..Danny ------------------
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Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 18 October 2005 11:56 AM
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Anybody know . . .
Are all the 12's numbered sequentially or are there three separate lists? S-12, ST-12, and D-12Bobbe?
ST-12-124 ------------------
Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Mylos Sonka
Member From: Larkspur CA USA
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posted 18 October 2005 01:28 PM
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I still have b0b's S-12. It was a real mess when I got it, but the little led atoms still worked. I remember that the guy I bought it from was a long-time friend of one of Jerry Garcia's ex-wives, and so the first time I laid eyes on it was at her house where he was staying. I say this so I can relate a story some Garcia fans might be interested in. Garcia played the steel frequently. The guy told me that Garcia told him that if he had it to do all over again, he would be a for real steel player, but that he made money with the standard guitar so he was sorta stuck with it. I hope I am getting this story straight, but if memory serves me (and him) Garcia told him he didn't consider himself truly a steel player. I think that reveals a pretty fair grasp on reality, so kudos to Garcia for not inflating himself the way his less than critical fans sometimes do.I wish I could remember this kid's name, but I do remember he said he got the guitar from Pete Grant, which is a kind of cosmic circle, because I sold Pete a steel in around 1969 which I think got him started. I couldn't make heads nor tails of the beast back then, so it went to a good home. Maybe Pete can post or email me the fellow's name if he runs across this thread. Mylos |
SveinungL
Member From: Oslo - Norway - Europe
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posted 19 October 2005 05:49 AM
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Mine is a S-12 Rosewood mica. Marks show that is used to be a 7+4 U-12, but had only 3+4 when I bought it on Ebay 2 years ago. Have got the parts to make it a 7+6, but need the time to do it (soon). LeGrande style pedals and the pedal rods are slightly bended near the hook. Some iron is also removed around the hook for easier fit. Original pickup.
Will get back with serial number and maybe a pic.------------------
Thanks Sveinung Lilleheier
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 19 October 2005 10:00 AM
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If they are numbered in sequence, then there must be several different sequences. The S12s and SD12s in the late '60s and early '70s seem to be numbered in the 100s; but the ones in the late '70s and early '80s are numbered in the 6000s. What does ST stand for? |
Dave Ristrim
Member From: Whites Creek, TN
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posted 27 October 2005 12:23 PM
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Yes Jim, I will post some pics of both of my D12's along with the serial numbers. I have been gone too much lately and have not been able to gt to it.
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