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Topic: The New Magnum? Check it out, you won't be sorry
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 January 2006 10:11 PM
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This guitar might be as much of a wonderful supprise to you as it was to me!
With several new guitars on the market today, this is one of the best.
Just check it out with an unbiased mind. You will not be disappointed, better yet, come into my store and do some comparing.
This guitar is amazing, small, light, classic looks, parts and service availability.
We have one on the floor that we put in a pair of special Geo L. Pickups that sounds very very great!
If you think I've made an "about face", so has this guitar! Bobbe
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Roger Kelly
Member From: Mount Carmel, TN. 37645
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posted 03 January 2006 06:40 AM
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Bobbe....what's the difference between the Magnum Guitar and a Carter Guitar other than the obvious cosmetic differences? The underside, Fretboard, pick-ups looks the same to me. I have owned Carter D-10's and S-12's and they are great guitars.
Why have they introduced this Magnum Guitar?
Just wondering.
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 03 January 2006 08:39 AM
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The Magnum isn't a custom-ordered guitar. You can get a Carter made any way you want it. Magnum comes in just two models: single and double neck. Standard E9/C6 copedents. You can change the copedent yourself, but they all ship exactly the same.
I think I got that right. John Fabian can correct me if I'm wrong.  ------------------
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John Fabian
Member From: Mesquite, Texas USA
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posted 03 January 2006 09:30 AM
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Bobbe, thank you for the kind words.b0b, to quote Ed McMahon, "You are correct, Sir" You do, however, have the option to have the factory install your setup when you order your Magnum through your local dealer. We developed the Magnum Pro Select Steel Guitar in response to our dealers and customers requests for a professional steel guitar they could buy from their local dealer. The Magnum undercarriage is simplified and easier to work on. The pedals and pedal bar are different. The Magnum uses Grover/Ping tuning machines, our own pickup (standard) and does NOT have BCT. The legs are aluminum as opposed to steel and the overall finish is a combination of glass beading and powder coating. Magnum also uses UPC labels and EAN 128 barcode serial numbers to get that great sound.  Magnum's started shipping in July of 2005.
We have been very pleased with the initial response and the reception by both our present and potential customer bases. Magnum Pro Select Steel Guitars are only sold though our authorized dealer network. There are no factory-direct sales.
[This message was edited by John Fabian on 03 January 2006 at 05:15 PM.]
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 03 January 2006 04:01 PM
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And let me say again along with the "thank you John", I really think anyone in the market for a new steel guitar needs to look at, and listen to this steel guitar.
We have special Geo'L' pickups on our floor model demo guitar, but it sounded pretty cotten pickin' great with the std. units.
Simplifying the undercarrage was a stroke of genius. Simple to understand, very simple to work on as in changing pedal setups or adding knees or even adding pedals if one wishes.
The workmanship is very great as is the basic engineering. I love this simple, light (aluminum leg models) powder coated beauty!
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Hans Holzherr
Member From: Ostermundigen, Switzerland
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posted 04 January 2006 12:39 AM
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Are there any S-12 Magnums made? If not today, are there any plans to do so in the future?Hans |
John Fabian
Member From: Mesquite, Texas USA
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posted 04 January 2006 03:01 AM
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We do not have any plans to produce 12-string Magnums at this time. |
David Mason
Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA
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posted 04 January 2006 04:07 AM
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The Magnum appears to have a square-milled neck rather than the curved aluminum of the standard Carters. Though, neither is load-bearing, so it probably doesn't change much tonally. I thought BCT was a good thing? |
John Fabian
Member From: Mesquite, Texas USA
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posted 04 January 2006 06:21 AM
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The neck is the same. BCT is a great thing. Try thinking product differentiation. The object of the exercise is to expand our markets and sales, not cannibalize them.[This message was edited by John Fabian on 04 January 2006 at 06:23 AM.] |
Bruce Hamilton
Member From: Vancouver BC Canada
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posted 04 January 2006 06:34 AM
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Just curious. At the Magnum site it is not clear whether pedals and knee levers can be added to the guitar. I read in another thread that the crossrods are a different size than on a Carter so that it sounds like you could not just order Carter parts and use them. Are extra pedals and knee levers available to be installed or ordered? |
John Fabian
Member From: Mesquite, Texas USA
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posted 04 January 2006 07:09 AM
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Pedals and knee levers can easily be added by your dealer or yourself. You would order Magnum parts to add KL's and Pedals through your dealer.  |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 04 January 2006 03:01 PM
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Hey guys, this is hard to beat. Light, simple and easy to work on. Sure this guitar has some compitition, but who doesn't. John and Bud have raised the bar.
This is a great guitar in my humble opinion. |
Mark Eaton
Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA
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posted 04 January 2006 03:02 PM
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John Fabian wrote:"We developed the Magnum Pro Select Steel Guitar in response to our dealers and customers requests for a professional steel guitar they could buy from their local dealer." I'm not real clear what the "position in the marketplace" is in regards to Magnum vs. Carter. The paragraph I copied and pasted above is pretty obvious as to the intent of the Carter company-but I haven't figured out if on a scale of 1 to 10, the Magnum is supposed to be a "better" guitar than a regular Carter pro guitar or not. You have your real high end custom line at Carter, which is more expensive, then you have your regular Carter line-that can be customized to your choices: setup, colors, etc., but appears to be less expensive than the Magnum. Just like in racing bicycles, it seems to be an advantage nowadays to have a steel guitar that is lighter to haul around-but if one wants to get the best sounding and playing Carter possible without putting out the bucks for the high end custom line, is a "regular" Carter the best choice or is it the Magnum?
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Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 04 January 2006 03:46 PM
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Bud Carter will hang up his hat one day, and I imagine the Carter line will cease to be. The Magnum has most of Buds engineering anyway, so the Magnum will be a great alternative for those who appreciate the building genious of Bud Carter ------------------
I'd rather be opinionated, than apathetic!
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John Fabian
Member From: Mesquite, Texas USA
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posted 04 January 2006 03:51 PM
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We actually suggest anyone asking about the differences try them both and decide for themselves which one they like better.Carter PRO models were designed to be sold direct to the consumer (NOT through dealers) and they are sold direct for the most part. Magnums are designed specifically to be sold ONLY through musical instrument retailers and steel guitar retailers (we do not sell these direct to the consumer). The requirements of a dealer product made it necessary for us to come up with a new design and features. Dealers do things we cannot, such as provide financing, rentals, take trade-ins like Tubas and Glockenspiels, as well as other services. The "street" pricing is about the same for a Carter vs a Magnum. It is not a matter of one is better than the other. They are different steels for different market segments. Bud has set it up so when he does hang up his hat, the Carter and Magnum will continue, with the same quality and service for which our Company is known.[This message was edited by John Fabian on 04 January 2006 at 03:53 PM.] |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 04 January 2006 05:21 PM
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Hey, can I trade in my old Seito xylophone on a new Magnum pedal steel? |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 04 January 2006 08:19 PM
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You can if you deal with me! Bobbster |
Roger Kelly
Member From: Mount Carmel, TN. 37645
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posted 05 January 2006 07:03 AM
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Well....my question about the Magnum Steel Guitar has been answered by both Bobbe and John Fabian. If I decide to buy a new Magnum from Bobbe, I'd be getting his backing as a dealer and Carter Guitars backing as a builder. I doubt if a customer could do much better than that. I'll be trying one out before too long Bobbe.
I may want to trade in my Banjo on one... |
Darryl Hattenhauer
Member From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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posted 06 January 2006 07:14 PM
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Magnums are the only ones that aren't too small for me.------------------
"Drinking up the future, and living down the past"--unknown singer in Phoenix |
Gary Shepherd
Member From: Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 06 January 2006 08:50 PM
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Pedals and knee levers can easily be added by your dealer or yourself.
I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. Maybe the actual physical labor of installing the parts is easy enough. But when I tried to order parts from you last year, I got the run-around. Why should I have to send you a fax with a list of wanted parts and my signature? I've never had to do that for ANY other order I've EVER tried to make with ANY business. A simple email or phone call with this information (both of which I did) should suffice. Pretty hard to add parts that you can't get. I bought my Carter because I live so close to you (in south OK) and thought that it would be easy to get my guitar worked on if I ever needed it. Now I realize that $200-$300 is small change compared to buying a whole guitar, but why offer the parts if you don't really want to sell them? ------------------
Gary Shepherd Carter D-10 www.16tracks.com
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Frank Estes
Member From: Huntsville, AL
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posted 06 January 2006 08:59 PM
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What about the tone? |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 07 January 2006 06:40 AM
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tuff crowd..BCT is a GOOD thing NON BCT is NOT a BAD thing... they are both good..just different... Magnum is a dealer only guitar for retail outlets.. Carter is custom ordered thru Texas..No dealers for Carter Steels... Not equal persay..
But that does not mean a bad Steel.. it's a different Steel... Chevy Monte Carlo.. Chevy Camaro Chevy Corvette.. Yes true, all from a dealer..but choices... to assume that when Bud Carter hangs up his hat it is over..what can you be thinking ? Henry Ford died when ? Like 50 or 60 years ago ? Longer ? I dont even know...but I do know he's dead...and I see Ford Dealers everywhere... [This message was edited by Tony Prior on 07 January 2006 at 07:41 AM.]
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 07 January 2006 06:58 AM
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Magnum also uses UPC labels and EAN 128 barcode serial numbers to get that great sound.
LOL,that`s funny I heard few Carter guitars down town Nashville and they sound pretty awesome to me,I don`t see why magnum would sound any different. Db ------------------
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Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 07 January 2006 08:32 AM
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My wifes business is that of creating many custom ordered items, many based on specific designs, she has probably 2000 different papers ( designs ) available.Folks call and order, try to explain what they want, sometimes they are accurate, sometimes not. We have them Fax a signed order form, we will also accept a detailed EMAIL... What if they tell her what they think they want, she makes it and ships it and it's not what they atually wanted ? The will want to return it for either a refund or a new item..then what ? We are not Wallmart..neither is Carter... here is the biggest issue.. They can and WILL dispute the Credit Card charge..The Credit Card carrier WILL place this into dispute...and pull the funds from my business account automatically..until the dispute is resolved..this is STANDARD practice for CC disputes. But with a signed order form..they are responsible for there own demise... been there done this... |
Gary Shepherd
Member From: Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 07 January 2006 09:39 AM
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I'm also a merchant with a credit card accounts and I understand chargebacks. Only had a couple in my 7 years of business but they both sucked.However, I talked to John, Ann and Bud about the order. I gave them my Carter's serial number, sent my current copedent and the copedent I wanted. Had a very accurate description of what I wanted to add to the guitar and where I wanted to add it. There should have been no question what the order was. I'm not saying that Carter's policy is wrong. I might do the same thing. But it's very frustrating to me when all I want to do is order some parts. I never had any problems like this ordering parts for my Sierra. Need a bellcrank? Call Tom and he'll send it. Need a pull rod or changer finger, call Tom and he'll send it. Easy. All of that being said? I love my Carter guitar, except when the A pedal causes the pickup to short out. I still can't find where the contact is that's causing that problem. But it doesn't happen very often. ------------------
Gary Shepherd Carter D-10 www.16tracks.com
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Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 07 January 2006 09:54 AM
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Gary I hear ya..but this is an issue bwtween you and John/Anne..Hope ya get it resolved.. t |
b0b
Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA
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posted 07 January 2006 02:00 PM
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John Fabian's full quote is: quote:
Pedals and knee levers can easily be added by your dealer or yourself. You would order Magnum parts to add KL's and Pedals through your dealer.
You quoted one sentence out of context, Gary, as the springboard for your rant.This topic is about Magnum steel guitars, not about the availability of after-market parts for Carter steel guitars. Gary, if you had a problem getting Magnum parts from an authorized Magnum dealer, it would be appropriate to this topic. That's not what happened. Any further off-topic replies will be deleted without comment.  ------------------
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Darryl Hattenhauer
Member From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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posted 07 January 2006 05:41 PM
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John,
I suspect that the advent of the Magnum is a great day for steels. Like the Carter Starter, I think it's going to bring steels to a lot of people. Beginners can now get great value, and Mavericks will be used the way God intended: as boat anchors. I also think that established players will use Magnums (like GFI) for playing out and for travelling. Increasingly, the high end Fessendens, the old heavy guitars, and the collectors will stay home and in the studio. ------------------
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Howard Tate
Member From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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posted 07 January 2006 09:43 PM
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How does the Magnum compare to the Carter in size? I love the sound of my older Carter, with no BCT. Is there a waiting period?------------------
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 07 January 2006 10:27 PM
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There's no waiting period if your dealer has one in stock. Try the dealer locator at magnumsteelguitar.com. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 January 2006 09:29 AM
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I will be keeping at least six Magnum steel guitars in stock at all times, they are ready to go at all times and can be shipped the same day ordered.
This great guitar eleminates the waiting process for new steel guitars. This alone makes it a special guitar. You buy it, you get it!
We have already sold several, the new owners are very satisfied, and some have previously owned some very respectable equipment, and a few are great pro players themselves. Call me and you'll have one in two days, there is no longer any excuse for a steel player not having a great guitar when he/she needs it. Bobbe
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Bill Bosler
Member From: Schwenksville, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 15 January 2006 10:40 AM
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Can I get a Magnum with the legs extended 1"? |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 January 2006 10:45 AM
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Absolutly, one, two or three inches.
Bobbe |
Gary Shepherd
Member From: Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 20 February 2006 03:48 PM
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Is this the same Magnum guitar that musiciansfriend is selling?
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Guitar/Other/Stringed/Instruments?sku=518052 and
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Guitar/Other/Stringed/Instruments?sku=518053 If so, isn't that about the same price as the regular Carter guitars? ------------------
Gary Shepherd Carter D-10 www.16tracks.com
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 20 February 2006 04:40 PM
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How does the Magnum compare to the Carter in size?
I can't think of any good reason for them to make it a different size!  |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 20 February 2006 06:54 PM
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I never had any problems like this ordering parts for my Sierra. Need a bellcrank? Call Tom and he'll send it. Need a pull rod or changer finger, call Tom and he'll send it. Easy.
Indeed! That is only of the many reasons why Sierra is such a great choice. Not to mention the impeccable detail in the mechanics. Top it all off with the fact that Tom is really interested in promoting the steel guitar. That is why he will cheerfully spend time on phone calls or email to the less experienced players like myself. We need more folks with an attitude like Tom's ------------------
I'd rather be opinionated, than apathetic!
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Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 20 February 2006 09:52 PM
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I like the CARTER products. I'm about to recieve my 5th new one in a day or to. I don't second guest or doubt anything anybody post about the CARTERS. They've done everything they said they would and stood behind there guitars with me. If I need or want something, then I'll call or email them and if they can do it, fine. If on the other hand, they can't, then I'll simply look elsewhere. No big deal. The CARTERS I've had, look good, stay in tune and are trouble free. Real workhorses for me. |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 21 February 2006 03:45 AM
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for a group of folks that state they want to promote an Instrument...this thread and others sure have a lot of...non supportive statements.... about a single manufacturer ..who basically, in the promoting and business sense.. has left every other manufacturer in the tailwind... If a Mouse keeps going to the same place everyday looking for more Cheese, he ain't gonna live long... ------------------
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Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 21 February 2006 03:52 AM
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If a Mouse keeps going to the same place everyday looking for more Cheese, he ain't gonna live long...
.........Hmm. Interesting analogy. Nonsensical, but interesting just the same. |
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