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Topic: Kline guitars
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Bill Yoder
Member From: Orrville, Ohio, USA
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posted 14 February 2006 03:56 AM
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Was wondering if anyone has an opinion on why you see very few kline guitars advertised on the forum?I love mine,very well engineered.good playing beautiful guitars.could that be the reason,or am i a little prejudice. |
Ernie Pollock
Member From: Mt Savage, Md USA
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posted 14 February 2006 05:00 AM
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Well, most people get a Kline and they are smart enough to keep it!! That tells you a little about me, I have had 3 & got talked out of all 3 of them. All kiding aside they are just a great guitar, be smart, hang on to the one you have. You'll be glad you did!!Ernie Pollock  http://www.hereintown.net/~shobud75/stock.htm |
Henry Nagle
Member From: Santa Rosa, California
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posted 14 February 2006 09:00 AM
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I wasn't smart enough to keep mine but I will say that they are by far the best built guitars I've ever seen. |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 14 February 2006 09:40 AM
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There is nothing better. Henry yours is almost to Joe's shop. It is in Orlando and should be there tomorrow. Maybe I will have it in a few weeks.
Here is one of those lousy cell phone photos from last Friday with my original one.
It stays in tune, plays like butter, and sounds great! |
Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 14 February 2006 09:44 AM
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They are the best guitar I have ever played. I foolishly sold mine to Ernie Pollock a few years ago. Really BIG mistake. |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 14 February 2006 10:08 AM
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Hey come now Ernie! I didn't talk you out of yours. YOU talked me into buying it! (Thanks)I'm keeping mine! DZ |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 14 February 2006 10:35 AM
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Pretty hard to work on, though. |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 14 February 2006 10:39 AM
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b0b, you just need the right tools and location!
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Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 14 February 2006 10:51 AM
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Hard to work on like ZBs but once they're set up they hold. Richard, is it possible that I have your old Kline? Mine is a S-12U green laquer 7 x 6.
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Bill Yoder
Member From: Orrville, Ohio, USA
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posted 14 February 2006 11:12 AM
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Bobby,they do,t need to be worked on very often,ha,ha,course if you wanna change something it takes a little patience.with your talent and ability,i,m sure you know that.good luck to you always. |
Sonny Jenkins
Member From: New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
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posted 14 February 2006 04:43 PM
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KLINES RULE,,!!!!! Like Winnie Winston said,,"second only to Anapeg",if that. Seriously,,I have 2 and need to part with one,,,but can't bring myself to do it,,,, |
Webb Kline
Member From: Bloomsburg, PA
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posted 14 February 2006 06:17 PM
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There are two things I have never owned that by all rights I should own. Anyone care to guess what they are?  Seriously, this is my real name. |
Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 14 February 2006 10:15 PM
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Dave, that's not my guitar. Mine was D-10 with African Teak mica. I really miss that guitar. |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 14 February 2006 11:19 PM
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Richard, I saw a Mica D-10 Kline for sale here in Sonoma County a few years back for $800. It was the first one I 'd seen and took a look underneath and said "no way" because I was used to the user friendly ShoBud Super Pro under carraige. Now I'm kicking myself. I would like to have a D-10 Kline.DZ |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 15 February 2006 03:24 AM
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Dave, there was fellow from coastal Washington named Dave Bertoncinni who had a Green lacquer Kline like yours. I have looked on the forum once, but have not been able to find him. |
Sonny Jenkins
Member From: New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
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posted 15 February 2006 08:11 AM
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Does anyone remember the story when Jeff Newman and Buddy Emmons were playing together ( Jeff playing a Kline,,,Buddy playing an Emmons)???
I don't remember the exact remarks between them,,,but I remember it spoke VERY well of the Kline,,,!!! |
Rick Nicklas
Member From: Pleasant Ridge, Mo
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posted 15 February 2006 06:59 PM
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Jon, I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw your workbench. But it is true. Some type of elixir is definately needed if you are going to make a major change. I have had 3 Klines (a double ten I traded for a Kline Universal). Somebody stole my first Kline Universal out of my car so I got a new one from Tom Bradshaw in the early Eighties. I had to repaint it because it was Jeff Newman's guitar he used on the seminars and it was a bright pinkish color. I still have it and Joe Kline just reconditioned it for me. It feels better now than it ever did. It is the most comfortable guitar I have ever played and I have recently tried a few of the biggies. The Kline is built with soul and you can feel it when you play it. I still can't believe that I just laughed at it the first time I saw one. Then I sat down behind it and felt the magic..... Thank You Joe Kline for this magnificent machine.------------------
Rick
Kline U-12, Session 500, Goodrich L-10k
[This message was edited by Rick Nicklas on 16 February 2006 at 03:55 AM.]
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Catus Jack
Member From: PA, USA
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posted 15 February 2006 07:19 PM
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I know Webb:A Kline steel guitar and a Webb amp, so what do I get for guessing right. Jack |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 15 February 2006 08:07 PM
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It stays in tune, plays like butter, and sounds great!
And it is Keyless! |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 15 February 2006 08:14 PM
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Pretty hard to work on, though.
It looks like they have round cross shafts. Are they radically different than most other guitars? I have never seen one up close. Why are they hard to work on? ..Close quarters? Hard to reach the crossrods and such? |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 15 February 2006 08:55 PM
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Rick, its not the bar behind me that helps as much as the diorama with the stuffed quail to the left. Not having to shot them keeps my hands steadier when I work. It is reassuring so I focus on the guitar and poof. The Kelley clamp helps too. Hemostats are just to hold numbers, but a Kelley will line up a pull rod.
Joe just received the one I bought from Henry and hopefully in a few weeks it will be out of his shop and out on a gig. You are right about the soul in a Kline....New Slogan:
Don't just stare at it, sit down and play it, your hands, feet and ears will thank you. |
Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 16 February 2006 12:39 AM
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All Klines I have seen all have hex crossrods. If you have ever seen the undercarriage of a ZB, then you have an idea of the undercarriage of a Kline. There are no pedal/lever stops and the stop is accomplished by a socket head tuning collar on the right end making contact with the guitar endplate (same as ZB). The crossrods are at the bottom of the undercarriage, whereas the crossrods on say, a Sho~Bud, Carter or most all pull guitars are mounted against the body in the undercarriage. The rods are hooked to little pivoting triangle shaped thingies that make the rods start pulling and finish pulling at the same time. Hopefully someone can post some good pics of the undercarriage for you to see. It's hard to visualize without seeing a pic. I really didn't find that Kline that hard to work on. The biggest problem was that there was not much room between the crossrods to get your into the undercarriage parts. The rods mounted to the triangle pieces (let's call them bell cranks for the sake of simplicity) though a bushing type piece with a set screw to secure them, making rod adjustments easier that say the ZB where the rod was a 2 piece thing with a turnbuckle hooking the 2 together to make one rod. You adjusted the length of the ZB rod by turning this turnbuckle. It's hard to explain, but I hope I gave you some idea of how the Kline works. |
Bill Yoder
Member From: Orrville, Ohio, USA
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posted 16 February 2006 01:01 AM
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Curt,put kline steel guitars in your search,scroll down to juian winston-KLine guitars,you will see the undercarriage.pretty good pics.hope this helps. |
Bill Yoder
Member From: Orrville, Ohio, USA
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posted 16 February 2006 01:10 AM
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oops,should have been Julian winston.sorry,big fingers. |
Sonny Jenkins
Member From: New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
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posted 16 February 2006 08:42 AM
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My only concern is,,,when Joe no longer works on them,,is there anyone else that is competent to work on them???? |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 16 February 2006 08:49 AM
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They can be worked on by others. It just takes more time and some patience. DZ |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 16 February 2006 09:19 AM
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Sonny, Joe is working on the one I bought from Henry Nagle now. If couldn't have done that, I would have Rick Troyer at Hummingbird Music in Ohio do it.  [This message was edited by Jon Jaffe on 16 February 2006 at 09:20 AM.] |
Bill Yoder
Member From: Orrville, Ohio, USA
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posted 16 February 2006 01:22 PM
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Rick Troyer is a very special friend of mine.a fine man,and a very kind man.besides that he is a kline man,super picker. |
CHIP FOSSA
Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.
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posted 16 February 2006 06:35 PM
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Is Kline still in business? Haven't heard or seen any kind of promo for years. Don't even recall any kind of promo. These axes were started off real slowly, right?I only seem to remember Winnie Winston endorsing them when they first came out, and, among other things, the big deal was, the keyless tuner concept. I saw some darkish/bar scene photos of a band and a steeler playing a Kline. And with the undisputable 5-6 inches wacked off the left end, along with some alien tuning mechanism, certainly caught my eye. Years later, I was able to afford a Williams
U-12, and of course, with that "alien tuning mechanism". At the time Klines hit the scene, I was playing a D-10 Sho-Bud, and the SB just seemed too big for my body size. To get to the levers in conjunction with the pedals quickly enuff. TOO SPREAD OUT. The compactness of the Kline caught my eye, too. Seemed like it would be a guitar that could be more easily controlled. There were a lot of things about that single-neck Kline that I liked.
Before the D-10 Sho-Bud, I had an S-10 Emmons [non-black] with 1 knee [E-Eb] and six pedals - basically an extended E9 - a push/pull - and I actually put on the other
2 levers for basic E9 - way before I could even do much with playing the beast. That's it.[This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 16 February 2006 at 06:38 PM.] |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 17 February 2006 08:19 AM
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Did a session Wednesday with the Kline. It was great to be able to focus on playing without the distraction of tuning issues. I pulled it out of the case and just played. Didn't touch the endplate or the open tuners!DZ |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 17 February 2006 10:39 AM
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Exactly! |
Webb Kline
Member From: Bloomsburg, PA
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posted 17 February 2006 01:29 PM
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Jack, You don't get anything. You have to give me your Kline.  |
lgfout
Member From: San Angelo, Texas
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posted 19 February 2006 09:14 AM
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Sonny - although I don't remember the exact words the story concerning Mr. Emmons and Mr. Newman is kind of a long story but I'll give the short version: I was reading some comments by Buddy Emmons where He and Jeff Newman were together in a teaching seminar.They (Jeff & Buddy) were each playing a series of phrases for the class and when Buddy finished his phrase Jeff Newman leaned over and asked Buddy "Why does my guitar sound better than yours". Buddy realized that it really did sound better but being a quick thinker said to Jeff "because you have a tin ear". (Hope I did that story justice). Anyway the guitar Jeff was playing was a Kline U12.Had to send my Kline to get the legs shortened so I don't have it back yet. You guys who have 2 Klines are very fortunate. I had to look for 8 months before finding one. Worth the wait though. Webb - you can come over and play mine any time, Maybe I'll nick name it "JW".
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Larry Fout
Kline U-12, MSA U12, Profex II, Stereo Steel, Nashville 1000
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Alan Cook
Member From: Manchester, England
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posted 19 February 2006 01:27 PM
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My Kline is called "Patsy" 8x5 U12 in brilliant white, a great guitar. I had 2 but sold one to Larry, hope you get her back soon Larry.
Alan.
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George Redmon
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posted 19 February 2006 02:32 PM
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Paul Redmond can work on Klines, he can fix anything with strings and a changer...even does custom setups on Carter Starters! |
Sonny Jenkins
Member From: New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
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posted 20 February 2006 08:39 AM
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Larry and Allen,,,ya'll are not on our "universal players" list????? If you want to be included just send me an email and I'll put you on the list and send you a chord chart of the C6 chord positions converted for the B6/E9 uni set up,,,,any other uni players send me an email |
Sonny Jenkins
Member From: New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
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posted 20 February 2006 09:01 AM
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George,,where is paul redmond located??,,email??? |
lgfout
Member From: San Angelo, Texas
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posted 20 February 2006 10:06 AM
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Sonny - sure will.Alan - I am supposed to get her back soon. Rick Troyer, Hummingbird Music, did the work for me and I just got a note that it is just about ready. I'll email you when I get it back. Kline is a great Steel Guitar. Sound is really nice, clean and sweet. The compactness of the keyless design is a big plus for me.
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Sonny Jenkins
Member From: New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
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posted 23 February 2006 09:18 AM
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*****[This message was edited by Sonny Jenkins on 23 February 2006 at 09:20 AM.] |
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