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Lawrence Lupkin
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From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 17 April 2006 10:47 AM     profile     
I am having some trouble with my 4th string E9 adjustment on my push/pull, and I was hoping to get some clarification before I swallow my pride and give it to someone competent to fix. Bear with me as I am not in the slightest bit mechanical.

My E raise and E lower (on left knees) are right on target. I cannot, however, get my C pedal raise to get up to the F#. I used to be able to adjust that tiny collar on the rod to achieved this. After tinkering with this for a while, I realized it wasn't doing any good because the finger was already hitting the end of the changer, thus not having the ability to go sharp enough.

Because it is the highest pull on the string, it seemed most logical to tune the keyhead to achieve the F# while the C pedal is engaged. I then utilized the lower endplate tuner to tune to open E. At that point I adjusted the F raise with the appropriate thumb roller underneath. Unfortunately, the ramification of this is that the E lower doesn't get down to D# now. Lowering the upper endplate tuner only works so far as eventually it is too far out.


Is my logic faulty?

Is there another E-D# adjustment on the rod?

The bottom line is that I either can't get high enough on the C pedal; or low enough on the E lower knee. This wasn't always the case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I can provide pictures if it would help.


Thanks!

Earnest Bovine
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From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 17 April 2006 11:17 AM     profile     
I would tune the F# at the left end, the F natural under the guitar, the E thru the hole at the right end, and the D# with the screw you can see at the right end.
Lawrence Lupkin
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From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 17 April 2006 11:23 AM     profile     
That is exactly what I was trying. The problem is, I've loosened the upper end plate screw to the point where it isn't making contact anymore at the changer and the string won't lower any more.

Everything is moving freely and no rods appear to be rubbing or crossing.

Twilight zone?

Andrew Buhler
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From: Maryland, USA

posted 17 April 2006 11:33 AM     profile     
Is your LKL E string raise (E-F) stop preventing the E from being dropped to D#? When I had trouble lowering 4th string E in the past it was due to the E-F lever stop being too short. It should have enough slack to allow the E to lower to D#. Here is a related thread:
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/011627.html
Lawrence Lupkin
Member

From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 17 April 2006 11:35 AM     profile     
Thanks Andrew, that might just do the trick! I'll look into it.
mike nolan
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From: Long Island City, NY USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:37 PM     profile     
Hey, I can probably help you out... I live in Long Island City and do a lot of work on my Push Pulls... I just did a complete overhaul on my S-10 and it is working great. The 4th string on push pulls can be tricky until you sort it out.....
Lawrence Lupkin
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From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 18 April 2006 06:04 AM     profile     
I spent two hours on my back with a flashlinght in my mouth last night (easy Howard). I came tantilizingly close, but alas, no cigar. Perhaps some more information will shed light on my issue.

First I tuned the changer manually. I tuned the raise to F#. Then the lower to D#. I felt resistance on the lower, so I loosened the collar. Bingo. No problem. I then tuned the E at the lower endplate screw.

Next I tuned the C pedal F# pedal at the rod collar. No problemo.

Therefore, now the D# lower and F# raise are on target.

Then I tightened the collar for the F raise. slowing using the thumb screw adjuster, I got it close to F, while continually checking the D#. All was well until I got really close to the F pitch. At that point, the D# started raising. Therefore I could get very close, but couldn't get both to pitch together.

Clearly, there the raise is not allowing the lower to act properly.

Some thoughts:

What does the collar farthest from the changer do? Could that need adjusting?

I noticed that the bottom end plate screw was unscrewed alot more that it was when originally set up. Would that affect anything? Perhaps I will try to screw it down to approximately where it was originally, re-tune the changer, and start again?

After adjusting the F# pedal raise and then attempting to tighen the F collar, should that be in a specific spot?

Any help is as always greatly appreciated.

richard burton
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From: Britain

posted 18 April 2006 11:36 AM     profile     
It's best to tune the changer in this sequence:


Make sure the changer is set like this, then start rodding it.

With the C pedal in its un-activated position, push the changer finger back (by hand) to the lowered setting, and tighten the C pedal collar (on the raise rod).

Press the C pedal.

If the changer finger does not move all the way until it touches the body, adjust the C pedal travel until it does:

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