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Topic: Old Jeff Newman tuning chart
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Michael Haselman
Member From: St. Paul Park, Minnesota, USA
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posted 17 July 2006 02:36 PM
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Does anyone know where I can get the old temper tuning chart? The one for E9 has E's at 440, B's at 439.5, etc. I'd like a copy, and the old C6 too, if it's available. ------------------
Marrs D-10, Webb 6-14E, Peavey NV112, Hilton volume.
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Jim Eaton
Member From: Santa Susana, Ca
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posted 17 July 2006 02:46 PM
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Off the top of my head...
F# - 4.40
Eb - 4.385
G# - 4.365
E - 4.40
B - 4.395
G# - 4.365
F# - 4.38
E - 4.40
D - 4.39
B - 4.395.
Sorry I don't remember the number for the pedals and kl's.
JE:-)>------------------
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 17 July 2006 02:56 PM
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F G Eb A B C X (Bb) D/C#
1 F# 441.5 441.5
2 D# 439 439/438.5
3 G# 439 441
4 E 442.5 435.5 440.5 439.5
5 B 442 438.5 438.5 442.5
6 G# 439 441
7 F# 441.5 441.5
8 E 442.5 435.5 440.5
9 D 441.5
10 B 442 438.5 442.5
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Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 17 July 2006 03:26 PM
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Dave's chart is the new one with the ref at 442.5. But, just subtract 2.5Hz from everything on the chart and you have it referenced at 440. |
Jerry Roller
Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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posted 17 July 2006 03:47 PM
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Mike, I have that old chart but it is pretty worn and beat up however most all of it is readable. If you send me your address I will mail you a copy.
Jerry[This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 17 July 2006 at 03:49 PM.] |
David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 17 July 2006 06:14 PM
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Jack's right. Also, if you look at the difference between the Es and the As on the B pedal, it looks like the chart anticipates a small amount of cabinet drop. A guitar with more or less cabinet drop may need different numbers. I think it is better to use your own ears to find the best chart for your own guitar. |
Michael Haselman
Member From: St. Paul Park, Minnesota, USA
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posted 17 July 2006 07:05 PM
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Well, I've always used the old E at 440, B 439.5, etc. I'm too chicken to tune the E's to 442. The old way has always worked for me. And I've got the open strings memorized, but would like the pedals, though I do pretty well by ear. I do have the C6 chart where the C's are at 442.5. I will try that in my continuing slow C6 education. ------------------
Marrs D-10, Webb 6-14E, Peavey NV112, Hilton volume.
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 17 July 2006 10:09 PM
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Jeff's chart looks very similar to what I get by ear. I'm not sure where the 0.5 Hz stuff came from. I can't see a gradation that small on my meter, and I can't tune that precisely with my tuning keys. One thing I see is that I would want my D sharper than he has it. I tune it as the minor 3rd of the B minor chord made on the open strings B D F# B. For Just Intonation (JI), a minor third wants to be about 16 cents (about 4 Hz) sharp of equal temper (ET). If you tune the D to that chord by ear, that's about what you will get. That also works for the D as the minor 7th of the E chord, because the minor 7th also wants to be about 16 cents (about 4 Hz) sharp of equal temper. That also goes for the 2nd string D on the lever. |
KENNY KRUPNICK
Member From: Grove City,Ohio
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posted 17 July 2006 10:24 PM
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I drop everything 2 hertz,the "E"s are at 440.5,and the F#,1st,and 7th,are at 440. |
Jim Saunders
Member From: Houston, Texas, U.S.A.
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posted 18 July 2006 06:41 AM
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I have a lot of Jeff's older teaching material and the tuning charts on the front or rear cover have the E's at 440. ------------------
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Doug Childress
Member From: Orange, Texas
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posted 18 July 2006 09:39 AM
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You can find Jeff's tuning chart on his website www.jeffran.com |
John Drury
Member From: Gallatin, Tn USA
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posted 19 July 2006 05:00 AM
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Michael,The chart Jeff originally used is in the front of Scotty's book "Anthology of Pedal Steel". Page 10. I would scan it and post it here but I am not sure if that would be cool with Scotty. The B's are actually 439.5. The book is still out there, I got one for my Grandson from Billy Cooper about six months ago or so. ------------------
John Drury
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Bill Bosler
Member From: Schwenksville, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 19 July 2006 07:46 AM
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I always worked in cents. Here's my chart from about 1980. I think it's the same as Jeff Newman's.F# - 2b G - 1/2b
D# - 3 1/2b D - 1b C# - 2b
G# - 3 1/2b A - 1 1/2b G - 2b
E - 0 F# - 3b F - 7b Eb - 2b
B - 1/2b C# - 4b
G# - 3 1/2b A - 1 1/2b G - 0
F# - 2b G - 2b
E - 0 F - 7b Eb - 2b
D - 1b
B - 1/2b C# - 4b |
KENNY KRUPNICK
Member From: Grove City,Ohio
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posted 19 July 2006 11:00 PM
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John Dury, Does your APG book have a cassette tape,or a CD? I still have mine,and for the sake of having a clean recording,I'd like to get the CD if I can. |
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