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Topic: E9 lacking any key chords?
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Mike Shefrin
Member From: New York
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posted 04 August 2006 01:44 PM
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... strictly from a sonic standpoint, E9 is thin and lacks range
I'm sorry but I don't find the E9 tuning thin or lacking range in of itself.I will agree that comparatively, the C6 neck has a lower range of notes and that certain jazz chords may be easier to play on it, but don't sell the E9 short just because you cannot play every possible voicing of the C6 neck on it.Simply said, there's stuff that's possible on the C6 neck that is not possible on the E9 and vice versa.End of story.  [This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 05 August 2006 at 08:26 AM.] |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 04 August 2006 04:12 PM
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Mike - yes, I kind of guessed that. But I was only talking about sonic range, not avaialable chords. The E9 seems to cover a higher pitch range, and C6 a wider one. That's all. |
Mike Shefrin
Member From: New York
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posted 04 August 2006 07:00 PM
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Hiya Jim,
okay, I now see what you meant. Sorry, I misunderstood. Mike |
Twayn Williams
Member From: Portland, OR
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posted 04 August 2006 07:18 PM
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It never hurts to study how Freddie Green did it. 3 notes at a time, 4 on the floor... |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 04 August 2006 08:28 PM
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The 1st and 3rd strings of the E9th are thin. The other 8 have the essentially the same tones as the top 7 strings of the C6th.------------------
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Russ Wever
Member From: San Diego, California
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posted 04 August 2006 09:50 PM
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Bob - Thanks for that, however I'd like to maintain that particular 'wider than an octave' voicing.Another possible 'identical' voicing is three frets lower on strings 8, 5, 2 & 3 with 'F' lever (b7, 3, b13, b9). Anyhow one nice thing about using strings 9 6 5 & 4 with the 'F' lever and half-pedaling the 'A' pedal is that ya can release the 'A' pedal and 'F' knee and then lower the 9th string (1/2 tone) to bring ya to a Major Ninth 'destination chord' (up a fourth) - From your voicing, moving the bar up a fret and adding A & B pedals would bring ya to a Ma7 'destination chord' (up a fourth) - Thanks
~Russ |
Tracy Sheehan
Member From: Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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posted 05 August 2006 05:59 AM
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Yes you can strum and get the C6th jazz chords on the 9th tuning.May take a little time to adjust but on the E9th move your D to the 10th string position so you do not have to skip it.Just reverse your 9th and 10 string.I got this idea from a monster steeler years ago when we still played 8 string steels.Back then reversed the 7th and 8th string.You can then hold A&B pedals down and lower the 4th and 8th and get the C6th Jazz and swing chords in different positions 1 fret down, one fret up for passing chords 3 up and etc and you no longer have to skip the 9th string.Look aroud.You will be amazed what all is on the so called country neck.And all it takes is a 10 string steel.
Oh yes.I tune to D9th and use heavier gauge strings for a more fat tone and lowerig the 4th nd 8th string gives an A6th.
This is one reason i had rather teach fiddle than steel.My tuning is confusing to some one not used to it,as an E9th is to me.LOL[This message was edited by Tracy Sheehan on 05 August 2006 at 06:06 AM.] |
ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 05 August 2006 06:49 AM
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How often do E9 players use:
The mid D and mid E at the same time?
The mid E and F# at the same time?
The mid D, mid E, mid F# at the same time?NOT arpeggiated, or as triplets. |
Rick Schmidt
Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA
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posted 05 August 2006 06:58 AM
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Ed...all the time...for the first two at least. Especially when playing jazz.Rick |
Roger Rettig
Member From: NAPLES, FL
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posted 05 August 2006 07:17 AM
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All the time for me, too. Those whole-tone steps are one of E9th's great assets.RR |
Mike Shefrin
Member From: New York
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posted 05 August 2006 08:30 AM
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All the time for me as well.
By the way, very cool post Tracy![This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 05 August 2006 at 08:31 AM.] |
Bengt Erlandsen
Member From: Brekstad, NORWAY
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posted 05 August 2006 08:45 AM
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For Jim Peters
The fat E7#9 usually played at 7th fret on a regular guitar (notes root 3rd b7 #9) is found at 2nd fret on the E9, string 9 7 5 4 w half Cpedal or Half Apedal and E's-F 4finger grips are part of what is needed to play 4note voicings. Bengt Erlandsen
Zumsteel S12extE9 7+7 |
Don McClellan
Member From: Kihei, Maui, Hawaii
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posted 06 August 2006 10:07 AM
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This thread has made me do some thinking. First, I agree with Jeff. It depends on how you define "useful". How often does a chord need to be played to be considered useful? Also, maybe we should be more specific when we say "jazz" and state whether we're referring to VERY OLD SCHOOL/YESTERDAY'S CHORDS type jazz that one might hear Emmons, Jerrnigan or Franklin play or VERY NEW SCHOOL/TODAY'S CHORDS type jazz of the '60s and '70s that one would hear played on the E9 neck by someone.
For anyone who really thinks you can play it all on the E9th tuning, let me ask you, when you hear a recording of Buddy Emmons playing, how long does it take you to figure out which neck he's on? More than one second?
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Mike Shefrin
Member From: New York
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posted 06 August 2006 10:44 AM
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Also, maybe we should be more specific when we say "jazz" and state whether we're referring to VERY OLD SCHOOL/YESTERDAY'S CHORDS type jazz that one might hear Emmons, Jerrnigan or Franklin play or VERY NEW SCHOOL/TODAY'S CHORDS type jazz of the '60s and '70s that one would hear played on the E9 neck by someone
Jazz chords are jazz chords,and they havent changed at all over the years.
Just what the heck are "new school/today's chord's type jazz of the 60's and 70's that that are played on the E9 neck"? [This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 08 August 2006 at 11:02 PM.] |
Jerry Hendrix
Member From: Manistee, Michigan, USA
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posted 06 August 2006 11:32 AM
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Did someone mention my name??
And what is a(E7-#9)?
Old Jer.....:confused
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Rick Schmidt
Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA
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posted 06 August 2006 11:48 AM
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Us old rockers associate the main chord in "Foxy Lady" (i.e. an E7#9...more correctly an Eb7#9) as the "Hendrix chord" |
ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 06 August 2006 12:11 PM
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I may have missed it, but I don't see the E( folk using F# to F for the E7b9, and F# to G for the E7#9 chords. |
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