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Topic: What to do with the RKL?
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Chuck McGill
Member From: Jackson, Tn
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posted 25 August 2006 11:16 AM
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What would you say is the most used set up
for the RKL for someone who is going to learn from current instruction. I have my E
lowers(old school) there. I am setting up a
guitar for someone else.
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Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 25 August 2006 12:26 PM
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I use my RKL to flat me E's too, but I'm also old-school... I've tried a dozen different setups in the last year and I keep coming back to that. |
CHIP FOSSA
Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.
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posted 25 August 2006 01:11 PM
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Me too. Es to D# [Eb]. |
Allan Thompson
Member From: Scotland.
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posted 25 August 2006 01:15 PM
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Raise first a whole tone, raise second a half tone and lower six a whole tone. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 25 August 2006 01:22 PM
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If you have to sit around and try to figure out what to put on a knee lever, you really don't need it very badly.
RIGHT?
I've been playing a "new" '69 Emmons P-P all over Nashville with no knees on it, hasn't hindered me, my job, the audiance or my pay. Take the R-L off, you won't miss it, something less to tune and carry, and while you are at it, throw your finger picks away. Then start thinking about the volume pedal,,,,,,,,,wait a second, I sell this stuff, go back to using it, then let me add a few more knees on your guitar for you, I need the money. |
Willis Vanderberg
Member From: Bradenton, FL, USA
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posted 25 August 2006 01:30 PM
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Use it to lower 5 & 10. That is more useful than having it on a vertical. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 25 August 2006 01:36 PM
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Just don't use it to lower your income, |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 25 August 2006 01:59 PM
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Years ago I put my 2nd string lower from D# to D/C# on the RKL. I have much better feel for the 1/2 stop with a left movement rather than a right movement on my right leg. |
Gene Jones
Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 25 August 2006 02:29 PM
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Old school?....include me!Many years ago my new Sho-Bud came with a factory setting lowering the "E's" with the RKL and I figured that they knew more than me, so why change it! I still use the RKL to lower the "E's". ------------------
www.genejones.com |
Wayne D. Clark
Member From: Wisconsin, USA
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posted 25 August 2006 02:58 PM
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WELL SINCE WE ARE TALKING RKL, MY SET UP IS JUST THE REVERSE. FIRST LET ME CLARIFY, I PURCHASED MY MSA D10 8/2 HERE ON THE FORUM, AND IT CAME WITH ONLY THE RKL & RKR. THE RKR WAS SET UP TO RAISE THE E's AND THE RKL LOWERS THE E's. IT HAS WORKED WELL FOR ME. THIS IS MY REASONING, WHEN I ENGAGE THE RKR I THINK "OK I'M PULLING ON THE STRINGS SO THAT IS INCRASING THE TENSION SO THEY ARE GOING UP THE SCALE. WHEN I ENGAGE THE RKL I THINK OK I AM LOOSNING THE STRING SO IT IS GOING DOWN THE SCALE. IT MADE SINCE TO ME SO I NEVER CHANGED IT. WHAT EVER YOU ARE CONFORTABLE WITH, AFTER ALL YOUR THE ONE PLAYING THE INSTERMENT.MSA D10 8/2 |
Wayne D. Clark
Member From: Wisconsin, USA
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posted 25 August 2006 03:11 PM
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BOBBY S. IN READING THIS THREAD I NOTICED YOU MENTIONED YOU WERE PLAYING A '69 EMMONS WITH NO KL's "TAKE THEM OFF YOU WON'T MISSS THEM" IS THAT A JOKE OR HAVE YOU SIMPLIFIED THE PLAYING OF THE PSG AND NOT TOLD US ABOUT HOW YOU DID IT. HOW ABOUT STARTING A NEW THREAD AND TELL US ABOUT IT.ON ANOTHER ISSUE ALTHOUGH ALONG THE SAME LINE I CALLED JEFF NEWMANS WIFE LAST WEEK AND ASKED HERE WHERE WAS THE LESSON ON THE "C" PEDAL, JEFF HAS ONE ON THE A,B, PEDALS AND THE RKR & RKR, BUT NOW "C" PEDAL. SHE SAID "HE DID NOT DO A LESSON ON THE "C" PEDAL BECAUSE HE NEVER SAW THE NEED FOR THE "C" PEDAL. MSA D10 8/2 |
Roger Edgington
Member From: San Antonio, Texas USA
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posted 25 August 2006 03:57 PM
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I'm from the old school too and still lower my Es there. My permanent Sho-Bud was like that and I still like it there, but I'm hard headed. |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 25 August 2006 04:35 PM
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I lower my E's on the RKL as well.........so why does the new standard seem to be lowering the E's on the LKR? Who started that trend? |
Tony Dingus
Member From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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posted 25 August 2006 07:28 PM
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Like Erv, I lower the 2nd to D/C# and the 9th to C# with the RKL. I like the feel for the half stop better on that knee than going RKR. Whatever works for you. Tony |
Jerry Erickson
Member From: Atlanta,IL 61723
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posted 25 August 2006 10:40 PM
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Chris, I think it was some guy named Buddy that has a steel named after him(not L'iL Buddy). I also lower my E's with my RKL because of some guy named Jimmy. |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 25 August 2006 11:42 PM
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Thanks, Jerry...........for some reason I always thought the E's lowering on the RKL was part of what is called standard Emmons. I'm constantly reminded on this forum that I know nothing.  I was told by someone the E's lowering on the RKL was called the "old Sho~Bud tuning". |
Paul Redmond
Member From: Illinois, USA
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posted 26 August 2006 01:05 AM
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Lower 4 and 8 to D# on RKR, raise 4 and 8 to F on RKL, especially if using Emmons pedal setup. Too many pickers try to do all this stuff with their left knee. Why? Dyslexia is rampant!!
PRR |
Roger Rettig
Member From: NAPLES, FL
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posted 26 August 2006 06:54 AM
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I don't always agree with Bobbe, but he has a point.... Having a knee-lever, then wondering what you're going to with it seems a little back-to-front!RR |
Chuck McGill
Member From: Jackson, Tn
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posted 26 August 2006 07:33 AM
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Thanks for the input. Because of the teaching materials, I will recomend to my
customer that we put a whole tone drop on the 6th. Simple question. |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 26 August 2006 08:27 AM
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i'm Ol' school & hard headed too 
started out w: a Sho~Bud
E to Eb strings 4 & 8 on RKL
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Gareth Carthew
Member From: West Sussex, UK
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posted 26 August 2006 11:28 AM
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I lower my second with half-stop on RKL and lower my E's on LKL.
[This message was edited by Gareth Carthew on 26 August 2006 at 11:33 AM.] |
Howard Tate
Member From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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posted 26 August 2006 11:30 AM
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When I got my Mullen Del had the fifth string half step lower there and the sixth string whole step lower on the left verticle. That confused me, so I reversed them. That works pretty well for me.------------------
Howard |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 26 August 2006 11:39 AM
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The shobud I just got has the E lowers on RKL; E raises on LKR. Also the 2 and 9 lowers on LKL and 1 and 7 raises on RKR. I seems to make perfect sense to me - both raises in one direction, both lowers the other; and the "E"-change levers pointing towards each other. that's ho it was whenI got it and I haven't changed it.I don't know if it's "right" or not - but it's easy to remember the functions and I haven't found anything requiring orthopedic surgery yet... |
Gareth Carthew
Member From: West Sussex, UK
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posted 26 August 2006 11:50 AM
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What's "right" is very subjective.If it feels right to you and works then it's right. For me, having the E's on one knee feels more natural than I think it would having them on seperate knees. The only thing to bear in mind with any setup is that certain combinations aren't possible. |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 26 August 2006 12:48 PM
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I was watching a Tommy White video where he does some licks lowering the E's and the Eb 2nd string. Can't be done on my guitar - they're on the same knee. Things like this come up from time to time. Oh, well........ |
John Drury
Member From: Gallatin, Tn USA
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posted 26 August 2006 06:34 PM
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Chris,RKL here too, LKL to raise the E's. My old LDG had it that way, must be a Sho~Bud thing. I can't remember T.W.'s exact set up, but I recall Day pedals and some very unusual levers that I knew would be impossible for me to use. The set up doesn't seem to be holding him back though! LMAO! Chuck, at one time there were a couple players that said it was totally unacceptable to not have E'e lowering and raising on the same knee, bull****, if it feels OK, do it. I guess if you are like Lloyd Green you don't even need the E's lowering on a lever. Looks like Seymour has come full circle, no levers at all! ------------------
John Drury
NTSGA #3
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 26 August 2006 06:41 PM
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Roger Retig, you don't always agree with me? And you are the one that drives on the wrong side of the road!
Ha! Ha! your buddy,
Bobbe |
Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 27 August 2006 03:03 AM
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My RKL raises 1 & 7, F# to G# and raises 2, D# to E. I thought I was copying some of BS's licks by raising the #7 a whole tone. Uh? |
Ray Minich
Member From: Limestone, New York, USA
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posted 27 August 2006 06:07 AM
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I use RKL to determine where in the heck I'm supposed to sit...
(Sometimes it should be on the other side of the guitar...) |
Roger Rettig
Member From: NAPLES, FL
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posted 27 August 2006 07:08 AM
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Hey, Bobbe - you're right - (See? I'm agreeing with you again! ) - I've been driving on the wrong side of the road ever since I got to the USA in '98.Actually, I should amend my earlier post; I occasionally disagree with Bobbe - but NOT THIS TIME! (Can I still come and visit on my way home from ND next week?) RR |
Paul Redmond
Member From: Illinois, USA
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posted 28 August 2006 11:38 PM
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Can "driving on the wrong side of the road" be indigenous (sp) to any particular country? I think we've all done that a time or two especially when coming home from a gig on a winter night in a snowfall and aiming between the poles and mailboxes then discovering there weren't any around. Been there, done that a time or two for sure. Ah, what we won't do at times to play music. Are we havin' fun? That ain't fun in farm country!! Of course, there have occasionally been other mitigating (sp)factors involved!!
PRR |
Kyle Everson
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee
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posted 30 August 2006 11:59 AM
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My Bud came with Eb on RKL, and that was great for 7th chords when combined with the AB to B pedal roll. Now I have the previously mentioned 1 & 2 raise and 6 lower on RKL. A quick raise on the 1st string when using AF position makes bluesy Duane Allman licks a lot easier. But I can't do that with the change on LKR. Oh well, I'll just have to stretch for that Eb lever now.------------------
Kyle Everson
Sho-Bud Pro-II
Fender Twin Reverb
Goodrich 120
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Bill Mayville
Member From: N. Las Vegas, NV, USA
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posted 04 September 2006 04:40 AM
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Why do the splits.
It's a great place for the X lever
Bill |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 04 September 2006 03:17 PM
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I have a pedal that I only use for country. I have a lever that I only use for blues. But the best pedals and levers are the ones that I use in every kind of music. A and B pedals, the D, E and F levers - these things have universal appeal. |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 04 September 2006 08:46 PM
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LKL1––LKL2––LKV––LKR––RKL––RKR_____
________________________G#_________
________________________E____D/C#__
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_______F_________[D#/Eb]___________
A____________Bb____________________
________________________F#_________
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_______F/F#_______[D#/Eb]__________
______________________________C#___
_____________Bb____________________
No way for any KL to interfer with another! My LKL1 is an ‘experimental’ knee~lever and subject to change at any time!
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“Big John”
a.k.a. {Keoni Nui}
Current Equipment
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Damien Odell
Member From: Springwood, New South Wales, Australia
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posted 04 September 2006 08:52 PM
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Lower 4 and 8 to D#. E9 |
Hans Holzherr
Member From: Ostermundigen, Switzerland
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posted 04 September 2006 11:37 PM
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Old School here, too. RKL lowers E's (didn't know it was old school until now).Hans |
Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 05 September 2006 07:04 PM
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I think anyone who started out on a ShoBud probably lowers E to Eb on RKL !! Thats how they came from the factory. |
Jim Walker
Member From: Florida Panhandle
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posted 10 September 2006 11:51 PM
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I must be from the new school. I'm with Alan Thompson on this one. I have found a ton of stuff to play Raising 1 and 2 and lowering 6th on the RKL. E's are on the left knee. |
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