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Topic: Found: Curly's Fender 1000
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 28 August 2006 08:15 AM
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A very well known Nashville entertainer and musician has contacted me to help him sell the Curly Chalker Fender 1000 that was used by curly for several years and the cut"Big Hit's on Big Steel" album. Anyone interested can let me know and I'll do what I can to help you get it. It is a '55-6 and the color was changed by Fender for Curly when he was working in the "Hank Penny" band in Vegas. Fender also updated the pedals to the newer style. Over all, the guitar looks very good and is not garrenteed to make you sound like Mr. Chalker himself, (but it can help!) I'm guessing the price range to be around three grand, I can't seem to nail him down to a definite price. He started at twice this amount, but when I stopped laughing, he was at about half this, or about three thousand. This is an incredible piece of steel guitar history, and was the guitar that he played much longer than anyother. Phone 615 822 5555 Bobbe
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Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 28 August 2006 08:31 AM
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Bobbe, I had heard that he did BHOBS using a Fender 2000. If he did it with a 1000 (only 8 strings), it makes that album all the more amazing! |
Al Marcus Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 28 August 2006 08:57 AM
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Donny-Yes, It is amazing. Anything is possible with Curly.Back in the early days, we had to play with 8 strings instead of ten. I had a 6 pedal Gibson Electra-Harp, rare Pre WWII model, with 8 strings, and played all the pop and standard tunes of the times. But I always wished I had 9 or 10 strings to complete my tuning. Reece introduced me to Curly in Dallas when I was picking up my D12 aruound 1970 and Curly was picking up his 2 D10's. He was very secretive about his tunings as many of us were in those days. Curly was a very special, one of a kind Steel player and Musician....al
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Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 28 August 2006 07:05 PM
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I don't want to brag, but I know for a fact that Chalker did play a 1000 on Big Hits. To confirm this would be De Witt Scott. Scotty?? are you there? |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 28 August 2006 08:28 PM
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Curly was a D-8 player until he went to the special Sho-Bud that David Jackson built for him in '67. Fender all the way, until that time. Yes, Jody is correct again, "Big Hits On Big Steel" was cut with a D-8. And a Fender at that! This Fender that is now for sale if anyone cares. Bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 28 August 2006 at 08:31 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 28 August 2006 08:34 PM
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Donny, BHOBS was done on Eight string necks, Possibly only one! I liked your "BHOBS" Acroneum! Bobbster |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 28 August 2006 08:35 PM
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I have a question, What would this guitar bring on E-BAY??? |
James Pennebaker Member From: Mt. Juliet, TN
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posted 28 August 2006 08:59 PM
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I am in no position to even think about purchasing this guitar (well, I CAN think about it, can't I?). But I would die to see a picture of it. Any chance of posting a picture or two here Bobbe?JP |
Ray Minich Member From: Limestone, New York, USA
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posted 28 August 2006 09:09 PM
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I got to see it Bobbe, did you find the antenna for the radio? [This message was edited by Ray Minich on 28 August 2006 at 09:11 PM.] |
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 29 August 2006 08:42 AM
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quote: I have a question, What would this guitar bring on E-BAY???
Hard to say. Though Curley was much admired by a few steelers (and a few singers as well) for his playing, most of them didn't care for his playing (at the time). He was decidedly "non-commercial" when everything else absolutely reeked of "whiney E9th" stuff. Too bad he couldn't be plucked out of the '60s, and dropped into the '90s...I think he would be all the rage, nowadays. I've heard it from several players that he could be decidedly...uhh, how can I put this diplomatically...rather smug and outspoken, at times? No matter. Personalities aside, the man's ability and style will remain a shining star forever. |
Smiley Roberts Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075
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posted 29 August 2006 09:57 AM
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Hey Bobbe, I'll give ya $300,CASH for it,right now! ------------------ ~ ~ ©¿© It don't mean a thang, mm if it ain't got that twang.
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Ken Byng Member From: Southampton, England
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posted 29 August 2006 11:39 AM
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When asked by Country Music People magazine editor Bob Powell in the UK who his favourite steel player was, Curley replied "me!". He did go on to elaborate that he considered Buddy Emmons to be the smoothest player around, so I guess it was a kind of a compliment. I don't think Curly was the shy and retiring type. |
Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA
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posted 29 August 2006 01:43 PM
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He did'nt have to be. |
Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 29 August 2006 03:13 PM
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If I could afford it I'd grab his old Fender. Big Hits On Big Steel is generally regarded as his best album, he is also said to have had his best sound when he was playing this Fender. My first PSG was a Fender 1000 and I'd like to have another one anyway, to have Curly's would be icing on the cake.If my memory isn't mistaken, the album Nashville Sundown previously mentioned, was Curly's first attempt at recording (or playing seriously) the E9th neck. He was all prepared to play the songs on C6 and the producer told him at the session to play it on E9th so Curly just winged it and that album is the result. Of course he kept using E9 and played it beautifully, although still mainly known for his C6 style. Curly was never too happy with any of his albums, and he got fedup with the Nashville clique and games and didn't play along, if he had and had done more session work there, he'd be a much more well-known name now. About Curly's personality, he was cockier in his younger days but who wasn't? He wasn't shy that's for sure but he had a real sharp wit, a great sense of humor and a lot of people just weren't too sure how to take him... he told me that story about someone asking who his favorite steel player was and him responding "me!" and laughed about it. He told me one time a guy came in to where he was playing and kept looking at him, finally came up and said, "hey, you play kinda like Curly Chalker." Curly said, "yeah?". After a while the guy comes back up and says, "you look sorta like him too!" Curly says, "how 'bout that!" Finally the guy comes up and says, "what's your name, anyway?" Curls says, "Curly Chalker". The guy says, "Naaaaahhh!" Curly says, "OK". Then the guy freaked. But Curly never made a point of telling him "hey, I'm Curly Chalker, the world-famous steel player...!" He was very outspoken, if someone sucked or was full of BS, he usually said so. That may seem a little rude but he was honest and there wasn't a phony bone in his body. He told me, he had no tolerance for BS. If someone came up and BSed him, he'd excuse himself and be gone. He never made a rude or unkind comment to me. There have been many great and special steel players and we all know who they are so I won't name them and I love and respect them all, but for me Curly was the most special, not just for his musicianship but because I was fortunate enough to get to know him as a close friend and gig around Vegas with him, and I think it's true if he could be alive and picking now he'd be the rage, if he wanted to be. He was extremely intelligent and stubborn, knew what he liked and didn't like. We also talked about some other players and he said the same regarding Buddy Emmons to me. He said something like "people always think that Buddy and I are enemies or something but we're not. Buddy's a great musician and a great guy.... I guess people just expect us to be feuding for some reason..." paraphrased but that's the gist of it. I'm sure there are some people from Curly's old days who still hate his guts. That's sad, I hope they get over that. We all did and said things in our younger days that we regret... the Chalker I knew was pretty mellow. Sorry if I've bored too many people with this. I know a lot of you knew Curls better than I did, but I wrote this because there's a lot of forumites who didn't get to know him and thought they might be interested. |
George Redmon Member From:
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posted 29 August 2006 06:24 PM
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I agree with Jim P 100%..you turn on todays country radio and you can't tell one steel player from another, more whiney and greasy, yuk steel guitar,then a body has a right to be subjected to...i call it "Steel Guitar Abuse". The fact that quote: He was decidedly "non-commercial" when everything else absolutely reeked of "whiney E9th" stuff.
is exactly why he was and remains one of the top three steel guitarist in the world. Thank god he didn't fold to the likes of the Nashville Morons. And as far as being popular or "Heard Of" quote: Though Curley was much admired by a few steelers (and a few singers as well) for his playing, most of them didn't care for his playing (at the time).
All one of those dudes would have had to do, was turn on their televisions, in fact, he is still on television even today. I find him as commercial as he needs to be on those hee haw reruns. When it comes to the cut above "Non Commercial" players like chalker, tharpe, reece, Beck, and a few others..at least when these masters play..you can reconize who the hell is playing, and what they're playin'!...sorry i'm a chalker junkie! ------------------ Whitney Single 12 8FL & 5 KN,keyless, dual changers Extended C6th, Webb Amp, Peavey Nashville 112 amp, Fender Steel King Amp, Carvin Rack Systems Line6 PodXT, Goodrich Curly Chalker Volume Pedal, Goodrich LDR2,Match Bro, BJS Bars, Boyette Glass Bar, Boss Effects,Ebow,Carvin Guitars, & Amplification, and other neat stuff, and a 165 Pound Great Pyrenees.. I was keyless, when keyless wasn't cool...
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Tracy Sheehan Member From: Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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posted 29 August 2006 08:28 PM
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I happened to be in Nashville when Curly did the BHOBS album.The drummer who played on the album and i were good friends had worked on the road together.Now i don't remember if it was him or not but this is the story i got and half knowng Chalker i could believe it,altho i don't know for sure the story was true. I do know playing a fender in Nashville was a no no at the time.Before any one hired you they ddn't ask if you could play,but what kind of steel you played. The story i was told was Curly did BHOBS on a fender 1000 but had a picture of him on the cover of the album of another brand of steel.He had a ball later telling every one he did the album on a Fender 1000. Of course he could have done the same thing on a multi chord.LOL. Whether true or not thats the story i got. |
Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 29 August 2006 08:41 PM
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quote: Before any one hired you they ddn't ask if you could play,but what kind of steel you played.
I've had people call me for a gig and before they ask what styles I play or anything about music, they ask "what kind of guitar you got?".. I consider it just about the stupidest question, especially before asking anything about music.... I take it back, "Are you good?" is the stupidest, but "what kind of guitar you got?" is runner-up. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 29 August 2006 at 08:42 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 29 August 2006 09:21 PM
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Hey guys, this guitar is in good shape, and still available. It's worth the asking price just as a steel guitar! Bobbe |
Jody Sanders Member From: Magnolia,Texas
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posted 29 August 2006 09:58 PM
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Chalker was very outspoken and opinionated. He did not mince words, He let you know exactly how he felt about any situation. I will say he was always cordial to me and I had a long conversation with when he attended Scotty's Show before he passed away. He was by far one of the major stylists of out time. Buddy and Curly were friends and once did an album together with Johnny Bush. The album, as far as I know was never released. Sure would like to have a copy. Jody.[This message was edited by Jody Sanders on 30 August 2006 at 09:10 PM.] [This message was edited by Jody Sanders on 30 August 2006 at 09:11 PM.] |
Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 29 August 2006 10:12 PM
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That would be something to hear! Who's got the masters? They should do something with it. |
Lee Jeffriess Member From: Yucca Valley California
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posted 30 August 2006 08:13 PM
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Bobbe, do you have pics, you could post?. I would love to see it. Lee |
Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 30 August 2006 08:43 PM
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Bobbe, I'm surprised that you're not picking it up yourself, even for re-sale. You're usually quite interested in historic steels of legendary players. Why not this one? Serious question.[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 30 August 2006 at 08:44 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 30 August 2006 09:29 PM
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Because I'm taking on so many new great brands at the moment. Jackson, Performance, Standell, The full Fender Line of amps, all sizes. I just can't invest in the older guitars at the moment Jim. Lee, you don't know what a Fender 1000 looks like? This looks just like all the rest. However, I will post pictures if you need them to buy the guitar. Bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 30 August 2006 at 09:32 PM.] |
Lee Jeffriess Member From: Yucca Valley California
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posted 30 August 2006 11:24 PM
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Sure, I know what they look like, theres one one about ten feet away from me right now. My favourite Curly stuff is on the 1000 and, it would be great too see a pic of that guitar especialy with a custom color and I bet im not the only one. Lee |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 31 August 2006 11:07 AM
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AW Com'on Lee, let me pick on you some more, Ha! Ha!, I'll get some pictures for you. I talked to the owner this morning, he said he'd take a little less for it, he needs the bucks. Your buddy, Bobbe |
bob grossman Member From: Visalia CA USA
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posted 31 August 2006 05:31 PM
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I was in Las Vegas in the mid 1960's when Curly ws playing at the Lariat Club. He was mainly singing and playing trumpet, but had a Fender 2000 set up and also owned a D10 ZB - one of the earliest ones. At the time, he considered the ZB the best of the custom built steels. I tried to not be a spook and he was very nice to me, even apologizing that he could not sit and talk during one of the intermissions (he did on two of them). He did play a few tunes for my benifit. I stayed until closing and couldn't get a taxi back to the motel, so I walked about two miles. Incidentally bob Hines (Sp?) was playing steel for Curly, also on a Fender 2000 (must have taken guts to play for Curly). I think Curly's brother Jim was the lead guitar player...not certain. Sometime later, at one of the clambakes that Tom Bradshaw arranged in Dallas, Curly was playing a Sho-Bud crossover with seven on the floor. Some genius came and asked him to play "something like Emmons" and was put down big time in front of all listening...as he deserved. |
Lee Jeffriess Member From: Yucca Valley California
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posted 31 August 2006 09:07 PM
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Bob,I have some live recordings of the gig your talking about,Russ weaver gave them to me about seven years ago, not long after that I found Bob Hines he is in the Denver area. He was very nice to talk to and, had a very sharp memory,of course I asked him how he felt about playing steel for Curly and, he said that Curly was very encouraging and, made him feel comfortable. Bob said if I remember correctly, that Thumbs and,Curly showed up with no instruments and Bob scrounged up a Tele and when Curly wasnt singing he played Bobs 2000, theres a tenor playing on the recording and it isnt Art Pepper, I asked Bob who the lousy sax player was and there was a silent pause and he said that would have been me, talk about fox paw I said i beg your pardon, he laughed and, said yeah i was pretty rough. I cant remember who the drummer was, but Jim Chalker is on bass, who incidently both Bob and Speedy West told me could play great steel in the Jerry Bryd Style, Thumbs and a jazz guitar player called George Morgan?. Bob where you there with Gary Walker? I seem to remember Gary post about this band and I know you guys were playing Wright Custom/ Sierra in the mid 60s,did you know each other?. |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 September 2006 07:56 PM
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Lee, about the Fender 1000 pictures, We are closed 'til Tuesday, so it may be Wednesday before I can get Larry to post them. Some one needs this incredible historical artifact. Bobbe |
Lee Jeffriess Member From: Yucca Valley California
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posted 02 September 2006 09:41 PM
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Bobbe, if you loan me the money,I promise I will buy it. Paying you back?, well maybe its a bad idea, I dont want the Nashville mafia paying me a visit, I have heard they do terrible things with a 14 string bar. Joking aside Bobbe, like I said before, I bet theres a few folks who would love to see that horn. I was just listening to Curly on a live recording from 64 with an outfit called the Ranch Hands, his version of Laura, it sounds like George Shearing and, on Kentucky he is Travis pickin, anyway im off to slam my hands in the car door. Lee |
Ken Byng Member From: Southampton, England
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posted 03 September 2006 05:12 AM
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Bobbe If it helps those who are interested in the guitar and want to see it with Curly at the helm, they can see it at http://www.westernswingjournal.com/images/Jubilee.jpg They can enlarge the image. |
CHIP FOSSA Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.
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posted 03 September 2006 05:44 AM
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I think the steel on the cover of BHOBS is an MSA. I always assumed that was what he was playing.Now I'm even more amazed by the tone and musicianship he has shown on the Fender 1000. |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 03 September 2006 08:53 AM
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Thanks Ken, Lee and Chip! Lee, you are hilarious, |
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 03 September 2006 12:26 PM
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quote: I think the steel on the cover of BHOBS is an MSA.
Nope, it's a Sho~Bud "finger-tip" model, D10, 11+2. |
CHIP FOSSA Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.
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posted 04 September 2006 09:31 AM
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Well, I stand corrected. I'm still more amazed, tho. |
Gary Walker Member From: Morro Bay, CA
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posted 04 September 2006 10:58 PM
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In 1972 during the DJ Convention, Curly was interviewed. When asked about the Big Hits on Big Steel album, the interviewer asked if the project was done on the Sho-Bud as pictured on the album cover, he replied it was done on a Fender 2000. He praised Fender equipment as he had been an endorser for them since he had played on a Stringmaster in his early years. Being in the Fender Family, he was one of the first to get a 2000 when they came out in '64. He was able to walk into the Fender Factory and have his pick of two Bassman amps that were a sonically matched pair. The 1000 that Bobbe has is the one that got everybody's attention, including mine, starting with the "Travis" album in '61. Then followed "Stirring Up The Ashes" and other with Hank Thompson and Roy Clark's sizzling instrumental album in '63. Other great recordings with Ferlin Huskey, Charlie Louvin and others make this steel a priceless piece of steel history, especially for the Chalker fan. Who knows, some of those shivering licks may still be lurking within. (probably password protected) |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 05 September 2006 06:32 AM
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Thank you Gary, Bobbe
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 05 September 2006 06:44 AM
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Ray M., yes, we found the antenna, the radio/CD player you gave us is working great! (and continuously). Thank you, your visit was great, hope to see you again soon. The Fender 1000 is still here and needing a new home,I still think its worth this much, just as a guitar disregarding its great history. Is this proof that "who owned a guitar" has nothing to do with its value? Everyone talks about what ole' Lloyd's guitar must be worth, ole' Buddy's, or ole' so and so's, but this F-1000 has to have as much history as any, played and owned by possibly the greatest player of them all. Looks like who owned a certain guitar really makes no difference after all. HUH?
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Doug Seymour Member From: Jamestown NY USA
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posted 05 September 2006 04:49 PM
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Smiley Roberts, shame on you! You know that steel cost more than that when Curly bought it! We need to factor in a bit for inflation here, to say nothing of the history!! Uncle Doug |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 05 September 2006 06:27 PM
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quote: I have a question, What would this guitar bring on E-BAY???
Inquiries from Nigeria?
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Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 05 September 2006 07:06 PM
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I can't understand why this guitar is still for sale. If I wasn't just a poor musician I'd snap it up. |