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Topic: E9: 6th string lower to G vs. F#, or 1/2 stop?
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Cliff Kane
Member From: Long Beach, CA
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posted 04 September 2006 10:29 PM
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I've been wondering if people favor lowering their 6th string G# a half-tone to a G, or a full-tone to F#? I only have four knee levers, so I don't think I can do both changes. I currently have it as G# to F#, but I was trying to half-lever it (like you would half-pedal the A pedal--it's not that easy to do!), and I noticed that there are minor chords there in the open position with grips using the 6th string when lowering it a half-tone to a G. I'm not really using the G# to F# change for chords as much as I am for licks (any cool chords with this G# to F# change?), and now I'm wondering if it's more useful as a half-tone drop rather than a full-tone drop. I have a push-pull, so I can't really use either change in the B pedal down position (no splits, and the B pedal raise defeats the knee lever lower change for the 6th string). Another thought I had was that it would be cool to lower the 6th string a full-tone with a half-stop for the half-tone lower change.......can this be done on a push-pull guitar? If so, how can I do it? It seems like this would give me both of these changes while only having four knee levers  ???Any thoughts on this one? Thanks! P.S. I hope y'all had fun in St. Louis! |
Earnest Bovine
Member From: Los Angeles CA USA
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posted 04 September 2006 10:47 PM
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I tried both, and settled on a half step lower on all 3 G# strings. (Of course, it's easy to retune it to a whole step as needed.) But I think I'm in the minority. |
John McClung
Member From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
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posted 05 September 2006 08:38 AM
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Cliff, all you have to do is visit Professor Twang, I can explain and demo all this at your next lesson. ------------------
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Pete Burak
Member From: Portland, OR USA
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posted 05 September 2006 09:25 AM
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I have G#>G on Pedal 0 (to the left of the A-pedal), on my Emmons Push Pull S12U.
I would think a full tone lower would make the play in the B-pedal a bit too much (but I haven't tried it).
the two main uses are for open position minor chords (by itself) and 7th chords in the pedals down position (0+A instead of A+B). There's some other nice uses for it as single note motion, scales, the B6th side of S12U, etc. (Since you already have the G#>F#, you can easily experiment with the G#>G thing by tuning the lower stop).
FWIW, I think most folks lean away from half stops and tunable splits on push pulls.
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Gene Jones
Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 05 September 2006 09:31 AM
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I lower to a G on a verticle. |
David Wren
Member From: Placerville, California, USA
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posted 05 September 2006 01:12 PM
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Hey Pete, I have this change on pedal "zero" as well... cool, now I know one PSG I can sit in on on Portland ------------------
Dave Wren
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Damien Odell
Member From: Springwood, New South Wales, Australia
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posted 05 September 2006 02:22 PM
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I lower both G# strings to G on my LKR. I use it mainly for an easy open minor, but it can give some nice diminished type chords when used with other changes too. |
Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 05 September 2006 04:43 PM
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You could always add the G# - G lower to the lever that lowers strings 2 and 9 -- like Tommy White does !! |
Michael Barone
Member From: Downingtown, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 05 September 2006 05:08 PM
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I use the pedal/lever split to G frequently, and use the lower to F# frequently, also.I'm considering an attempt to time 2 half stops on the same pull. String 6, G# to F# with a half stop, and string 2 D# to C# with a half stop. It may seem redundant, having strings 2 & 9 on another lever, but at present, I like to use the 2nd string lower to D with the G# to F# lower, so when I engage the split, I can get a handy minor 7th chord (that doubles as another 6th). ------------------
Mike Barone
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Brint Hannay
Member From: Maryland, USA
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posted 05 September 2006 08:09 PM
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I've never worked with a P/P--why is there a problem with half stops on a P/P?
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You could always add the G# - G lower to the lever that lowers strings 2 and 9 -- like Tommy White does !!
Only problem with that is I'd miss the minor 7th chord with the G#-G lower combined with D on 9th string or on 2nd string (Eminor7 in open position). Nice to move the 2nd string to C# for a minor 6th or have D# for a minor(major 7) also.
Of course, Tommy White plays...well, like Tommy White. So if it works for him.... |
Cliff Kane
Member From: Long Beach, CA
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posted 05 September 2006 11:01 PM
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Really informative and thought inspiring responses....I think I'm finally getting to point where I can start to think about this stuff and it's making sense. Thanks, I'm learning a lot from this.I'm sure the good Prof. Twang will add more enlightenment when we can actually sit down at the guitars. Cliff |
Charlie McDonald
Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA
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posted 06 September 2006 05:54 AM
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Michael, an intriguing solution, one that I'll think about. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 06 September 2006 07:59 AM
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Cliff,
I lower my 6th string to F# with my RKL and I raise my 7th string to G with my RKR.  |
Ernie Pollock
Member From: Mt Savage, Md USA
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posted 09 September 2006 04:48 AM
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I put the G# to G on the 6th string on the BooWah pedal on the C6th side, does not seem to make the pedal stiff or anything like that & I am playing a cantankerous old Shobud [hey, I am the only one that can call it that!!] When I had it on a lever on other guitars, going down to G#, if you mess around with string guages all you need to do is push the B pedal & it will return to the G note with the lever still pressed. I used that like that for a longer than I care to mention!!Ernie Pollock http://www.hereintown.net/~shobud75/stock.htm ------------------
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