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Topic: Bud Appraisal
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Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 03 October 2006 11:11 AM
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I am curious what the forum thinks is a reasonable value for this guitar, case and volume pedal? 
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Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 03 October 2006 11:55 AM
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How many KLs?I'm not an expert, but would estimate $1100, plus or minus $200, depending on the motivation of the buyer and seller, and if it has four KLs.[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 03 October 2006 at 11:58 AM.] |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 03 October 2006 11:56 AM
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It's a 3 & 2 Joey |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 03 October 2006 11:57 AM
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Maybe $1000...[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 03 October 2006 at 11:57 AM.] |
John Lockney
Member From: New Market, Maryland, USA
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posted 04 October 2006 04:03 AM
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That's a beautiful guitar. Thanks for the pictures.Did the ealry ones not say "Professional" or "Pro I" on the right-front ? And, what model is this one ? |
Ernie Pollock
Member From: Mt Savage, Md USA
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posted 04 October 2006 05:01 AM
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does it have the old type wide pedals??Ernie  ------------------
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Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 04 October 2006 06:22 AM
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That's an early 70's double raise, single lower, two-hole pullers with the brass swivel. Those earlier Pro 1's are tone monsters. Some say that this mechanism produced the best tone of all the Sho~Buds. I played a similar one in Scotty's room at the convention this year. It was in hard shape, but sounded like gold. The later double raise/double lower (Mid-'70's) may be worth a little more, before the the triple raise "Superpro" Pro 1's (late-'70's on) which for some reason are worth the most - maybe because of the options and their generally newer condition.If you could get it for a $1,000, that would be a great deal. My guess is that it would go for at least $1,300-$1,500 on Ebay. I just bought a '76 Pro 1 with the double-raise/lower (3+2), paid a lot more than a grand for it, and feel I got a good deal. Assuming it was in excellent cosmetic and mechanical condition, I'd be willing to pay $1,400 for it. With two knee levers added, I'd pay up to $1,700 for it. You can count on the price of this steel taking off into the stratosphere in the coming years, if recent Sho~Bud transactions are any indication. IMO, you just can't buy that Sho~bud tone in a modern pedal steel. You really should get it, Jon. That's a great guitar. If you need more levers, get 'em from Coop. That's what I'm doing as soon as my 3+2 arrives. |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 04 October 2006 06:33 AM
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Chris knows more about the current "Bud market" than I. |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 04 October 2006 06:56 AM
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Joey, you pretty much nailed it on your intitial estimate, but in the last month these guitars are really taking a swing upward in price. I just can't believe what's happening with these Pro 1's, even 3+2's. I've been watching them like a hawk on Ebay and other sites for a while now, looking really hard for the right one. |
Don Poland
Member From: Littlestown, PA.
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posted 04 October 2006 07:25 AM
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$150...do you take PayPal??? Just jerkin your chain buddy, sure is a pretty axe, but I know less than nothing about old Bud's |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 04 October 2006 07:39 AM
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Whoops, Jon, I thought you were looking to buy this guitar. It's yours, and you're selling it? I'll give ya $800 and pay for shipping....ha-ha! |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 04 October 2006 07:59 AM
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Chris, this guitar is flawless as well as the volume pedal. The springs are a tad rusty, but I suspect it has sat in the case for 25 or 30 years. |
Al Udeen
Member From: maple grove mn usa
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posted 04 October 2006 10:00 AM
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Whats with the square front? those bodys started in 75 or 76? |
Brint Hannay
Member From: Maryland, USA
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posted 04 October 2006 10:34 AM
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If I'm seeing it right, the changer fingers have the notch to hold the string ball ends, rather than a pin. Does anyone know when Sho-Bud started using the notched fingers, and if they are notched does it necessarily mean they are pot metal? I'd have thought a guitar with the two-hole pullers with brass swivel would have aluminum fingers. |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 04 October 2006 12:06 PM
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The main thing that was making me think it was earlier than a '75 was the single lower. The '76 I have on the way is identical in every other way except it has a double lower. |
Dave Seddon
Member From: Leicester, England.
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posted 04 October 2006 01:14 PM
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Jon
I have the identical guitar to you, mine came originally with 3+1, I was told it is an S-10 Proffesional. Mine is double raise single lower with the claw string retainer rather than the pin and the string fingers are chrome plated, I believe on some kind of aluminium alloy. Whatever it is, it's the best sounding SB I've ever had, the sustain and tone are the Dog's B*&%$cks. I hope yours is as good as mine.
Cheers Dave. |
Dave Seddon
Member From: Leicester, England.
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posted 04 October 2006 01:20 PM
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Yes and I forot to mention WIDE PEDALS. |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 04 October 2006 03:51 PM
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This is not my guitar. I was curious about what people believed it was worth. It does seem to be a Pro 1 with wide pedals. If there is interest in buying it. I will post it on the appropriate forum. |
James Morehead
Member From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 04 October 2006 09:27 PM
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It would need to be a round front to be from early '70's. Looks like transitional period '76ish, IMO. If the dust catcher fretboard is original to this guitar, it seems about when the Super Pros were fixin' to start up. |
James Morehead
Member From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 04 October 2006 09:37 PM
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The fingers, nylon tuners, lack of coil tap switch seem to want to make me think mid to later '70's. Then, again, these guitars are easy to change around to suit what you like, like switch out allen wrench tuners for nylon tuners, narrow pedals for wide, dust catcher from stock metal/painted fretboard for example. And that's cool, that's the fun of these cool old buds. They are easy to personalise. |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 04 October 2006 10:22 PM
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James, were they still putting single lowers on the mid-late 70's models? Also, the wide pedals are indicative of earlier than '75. You're probably right about the part switches. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 04 October 2006 10:35 PM
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Looking the Sho~Bud chronology, the square front replaced the round front in 1975. So, I was a little early in my initial guess. (Still learning, James...ha-ha.) But my '76 Pro 1 has a double raise/lower........which leads me to assume this might just be a '75. BTW, my S-10 has no "Pro 1" logo either. Maybe Ricky D. or Coop could chime in and put this thing to bed. |
James Morehead
Member From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 04 October 2006 10:51 PM
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Chris, That square body was introduced in 1975, as the Pro I Custom, when Shobud quit the round fronts. The changers may not have caught up yet, being a transition period, or this could be custom ordered changer. Shobud tended to use up any spare parts that were left over from one era to the next. Wide pedals were still used, to my limited knowledge. The narrow pedals seemed to hit the scene about '77 with the Super Pro's? There are those who know about this much better than I do. |
Alvin Blaine
Member From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA
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posted 04 October 2006 11:09 PM
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I've been watching the prices on S-10 Sho-Bud's for the past four months, and they have jumped quite a bit in that time.I bought one off the forum here just two months ago for $1150 , but the ones(that are selling) on eBay are going from $1500 to over $2000. So if you have detailed pictures of it like above then I would say put it on eBay if you want to get more money out of it. $1580 Pro-I
$2050 S-10 Blonde Bud
$1449 Sho Bud
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Per Berner
Member From: Skövde, Sweden
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posted 05 October 2006 03:36 AM
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The ProIII (converted to LDG-style) i sold last year was a ´76, with double raise/single lower, teardrop headstock, dustcatcher fretboard, wide pedals and square body, but with straight knee levers (see picture below). So 1975 would be a good guess for the one in this thread, I suppose. 
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´75 Emmons p/p D10 8+4, ca '72 AWH Custom D10 8+3, Hybrid Zum coming soon, Peavey Nashville 1000 |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 05 October 2006 07:55 AM
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Mine's a '76 with narrow pedals........is there no sanity to be found trying to date a Sho~Bud? Ya gotta love to hate 'em. James, you're a wealth of knowledge about Sho~Buds. You've taught me a lot of stuff in our conversations. I'm still learning.... |
Cliff Kane
Member From: Long Beach, CA
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posted 05 October 2006 08:47 AM
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Well, I don't mean to sidetrack this thread, but here is another mixed-bag-Bud:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cliffkane/album/576460762317068918 This is my LDG, and it's got the square front, triple raise/double lower changer, pot metal hardware, chrome slotted fingers, straight knee levers, smooth narrow pedals, and also the gumby/claw headstock. The numbers are 1-A-3 (which I understand is a model number), and the number 13034. I always assumed that it was a 1974 model based on the serial number (13034 = the thirteenth guitar built in March of 1974?), but based on what you all are saying I guess it's later......seems like it fits the Super-Pro, c. 1977 range, but the gumby/claw headstock seems out of place for that. Anyone want to guess when this one was made? BTW, this guitar sounds very nice, very warm and rich, but real twangy, too. I know people feel that the triple raise/double lower changers are tonally inferior to the earlier changers, and that the square front cabinets are not as good as the rounded front cabinets, but this guitar is sweet. I guess for me ignorance is bliss, as this is the only Sho-Bud I've played. Cheers
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Skip Edwards
Member From: LA,CA
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posted 05 October 2006 09:25 AM
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Around 1975 Sho-Bud made 2 models of S10's. They made the Pro1 and they also made the 6139, which at that point was called "Sho-Bud Professional - Model 6139".
The only differences that I can see from the catalog is that the 6139 doesn't have the Pro1 decal, and it came with only one knee lever. I see that the gtr in question here has 2 levers, but it doesn't have the decal, so maybe it's a 6139 with 2 levers. The one in the catalog (which shares a page with the Maverick), is identical to this gtr, with the exception of the extra lever.
As far as I know, Sho-Bud didn't make this model of S10 very long. I guess they figured that they didn't need to make 2 similar S10's.
I am curious about the slotted changers, though. Does the above gtr have slots or pins?
Whatever it is, it's a nice axe. |
David Wren
Member From: Placerville, California, USA
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posted 05 October 2006 12:22 PM
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Just found this web site the other day, so please pardon if this posting is a repeat, but it's a great history of the Sho~Bud PSG.
http://www.telusplanet.net/~gsimmons/shobud/models.html ------------------
Dave Wren
'96 Carter S12-E9/B6,7X7; NV 112; Fender Twin Custom 15 ('65 reissue); Session 500s; Hilton Pedal; Black Box
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James Morehead
Member From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 05 October 2006 04:28 PM
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Cliff, If you don't have a roundfront, that's still ok. If your LDG suits you, and you love the tone and the way it feels and looks, then it's a great guitar for you. That's the cool thing about these buds, one size does not fit all, and there are plenty of "sizes" out there to try out, as well as upgrades if your parts are wearing out. Cliff, there are folks out there that would wrassle you for your guitar. Then some who may rather have a different guitar. So, what I'm tryimg to say, is be proud of your guitar and enjoy it as much as you can. That's what it all boils down to anyways!  |
James Morehead
Member From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 05 October 2006 04:30 PM
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Chris, you are too kind!HA!! I just pass on what my mentors pass on to me from their mentors, who pass on----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 05 October 2006 05:11 PM
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I took the Sho~Bud 101 course in St. Louis from Coop and James....Did I pass? Those SD10's are real beauties, boys. |
James Morehead
Member From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 05 October 2006 07:01 PM
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So Jon, are you going to buy this neet bud?
Chris, your SIT test scores have not come back yet.  [This message was edited by James Morehead on 05 October 2006 at 07:05 PM.] |
Jon Jaffe
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 05 October 2006 09:52 PM
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Skip, it looks as if you have made a positive ID on this guitar. I have no personal interest in it James, just curious. It is for sale, I wanted to know the perceived value. I can put anyone who is interested in touch with the owner. |
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