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Topic: E9+4 pedals?
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Stephen Gambrell
Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 18 December 2006 04:43 PM
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I got to wondering, while shopping for a new steel---Is the 4 pedal setup on E9 gonna be the new standard? I notice there's a couple of SD-10's for sale, with 4 pedals. So is this gonna be the way it is? |
Jim Bob Sedgwick
Member From: Clinton, Missouri USA
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posted 18 December 2006 05:53 PM
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Maybe |
Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 18 December 2006 08:22 PM
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Adding that extra Frankin pedal is very useful musically and seems to becoming very popular!
so it could be the new standard ... |
Bobby Boggs
Member From: Pendleton SC
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posted 18 December 2006 08:59 PM
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I don't think it will become standard.But it should. And not just because of the Franklin pedal. As I remember. The first single neck PP's came with 5 pedals standard. |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 19 December 2006 05:08 AM
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I'm thinking that the early Steels with more than 3 pedals had some of the Pedal pulls that are now on Knee levers.I believe Stephen is referring to the 5,6 and 10 full step drops, which I also feel at some point not to far down the road will probably be a common config for stock E9th Pedal Steels. 3+5 has now become the familar configuration, I suspect 4+5 will be the natural progression with the 4th Pedal being the 5,6 and 10 full tone drops. t back from the road trip to Ct.  |
Roger Rettig
Member From: NAPLES, FL
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posted 19 December 2006 05:47 AM
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I remember early single-neck ZBs being made with five pedals.Wouldn't this have been to accommodate a C6th set-up if so desired? Forty years ago E9th might not have been the automatic tuning-of-choice on an S-10. RR |
Stephen Gambrell
Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 19 December 2006 08:30 AM
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Bobby, you know a lot more about it that I do, but a couple of years ago, a guy offered me a push-pull loafer, with 6 pedals. I asked Mike about it, and he remembered them coming that way???
Doesn't matter, it was a push-pull, which I can't tune !edited 'cause I can't spell, either.[This message was edited by Stephen Gambrell on 19 December 2006 at 09:48 AM.] |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 19 December 2006 10:21 AM
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I think that the low A note is necessary, whether you add a 4th pedal or not. |
Ivan Posa
Member From: Hamilton, New Zealand
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posted 19 December 2006 11:33 AM
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I know Bobbe Seymour doesnt like the Franklin pedal which he calls a lick pedal. It is far more than that and offers some great tonal variations. Get Paul Franklins instruction tape on how it can be used. ------------------
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Steve Hinson
Member From: Hendersonville Tn USA
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posted 19 December 2006 11:36 AM
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I had an S-10 Emmons with 6 pedals and 1 knee when I first started playing...I always figured it was a C6 guitar when it was new and had been changed over before I got it...wish I had it now!------------------
http://home.comcast.net/~steves_garage [This message was edited by Steve Hinson on 19 December 2006 at 11:37 AM.]
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Calvin Walley
Member From: colorado city colorado, USA
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posted 19 December 2006 12:31 PM
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i have the 3 & 5 set up on mine, but so far
i have never used the vertical lever ------------------
Mullen SD-10 3&5 / nashville 400
Hilton volume pedal
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Tony Russell
Member From: England
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posted 26 December 2006 10:29 AM
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My first single 10 had 4+6 (about 1975 ?)but I never got used to the extra pedal. I think the set-up at that time was copied from Tom Brumley as the guitar was a UK made Driftwood which was very like a ZB mechanism. Regards, T. |
Bobby Boggs
Member From: Pendleton SC
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posted 26 December 2006 02:16 PM
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Steve, Mike is of course correct. The early single PP's had 6 pedals. Also the PP's thru the Mid 70's had plenty of extra bellcranks.Nowdays,you're charged extra for anything over the basic set-up. I think builders allow for 2 changes per-pedal E9. And 2 changes per left knee. 3 changes on your right knees if you have a Double neck. I guess the money's in the parts biz. [This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 26 December 2006 at 06:32 PM.] |
Daniel Vorp
Member From: Sarver, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 27 December 2006 05:39 AM
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For me it is the new standard. You will see it in 2 forms. Either all on one pedal like Paul Franklin does it, or split the changes between 2, like Tommy White does it. In split form one pedal or lever will lower the B's to A's, a different pedal or lever will lower the G# to F#. Be sure they are placed such that you can access them both at the same time and also access your E's to D#'s lever. On Paul's instructional CD he recommends splitting the changes if you have the means to do so on your guitar. I have a beautiful Williams SD-10 that I will soon be posting for sale that has 5 floors and 5 levers, which includes the Franklin pedal. |
Casey Lowmiller
Member From: Wichita, Ks
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posted 27 December 2006 07:41 AM
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I wish the Carter-Starter came with the Franklin Pedal. Too bad you can't add it to it!!! |
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