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Topic: Rock'n' Blues Starter PSG
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Matthew Prouty
Member From: São Paulo, Brazil
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posted 20 December 2006 07:04 AM
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Bill H. I understand that that is Bill Phelps playing LaGrange on the Carter Starter. M. |
Robert Murphy
Member From: Maryland, USA
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posted 20 December 2006 05:36 PM
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Hello from newbe lap steel world. This is a great thread. I am not young but I,m a rocker. If I had a copendent on my Gretsch I could open for Brian Setzer or Horton Heat. Bobby Lee has the best idea with 6 strings. Keep it simple. Ernie Pollack knows about power chords and rock style too. If they build one I'll buy it! |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 20 December 2006 05:56 PM
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What Matthew said............Refer to the RR thread's lastest posts and watch Billy playing ZZ Top on E9. It changed my mind. |
Colby Tipton
Member From: Texas, USA
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posted 22 December 2006 02:15 PM
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I mentioned I might get and old steel guitar to try rock and blues on, with an alternate tuning.
I have the guitar or I will Saturday night when my wife gets home with it. It is an 8 string Rickenbacker with horseshoe pickup, six pedals and no knee levers. I will start another thread to see what we can come up with for a tuning and copedent. We will call this "The RIC Experiment" for the time being. I don't know the limitations on this guitar yet, we'll just have to see. As we try different tunings and copedents I will post short audio/visual tracks of some chord progressions and licks and see what we come up with. I will need your help on tunings and copedents. Remember, the thread will be titled "The RIC Experiment". I'll start it a day or two after Christmas. I must be crazy for getting myself into this.Colby[This message was edited by Colby Tipton on 22 December 2006 at 04:57 PM.] |
David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 26 December 2006 07:51 AM
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I was Em'in with a builder of good repute.
Seems many guitarist are scared of more than 6 strings.But I think that is presentation. So 8 strings seems a good compromise. Not too scarey. If they can be shown that they get nice big power chords below,
and more complexe chords with melodic variation, in the upper registers,
that somewhat resemble what they use,
they can get it faster. Also I suspect the standard low string
above a higher pitch string throws them a loop. KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid. I would still like to hear more thoughts on this, y'all. |
Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 26 December 2006 08:26 AM
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"Also I suspect the standard low string
above a higher pitch string throws them a loop."-allow me to confirm your suspicions. That 2nd string is the craziest thing ever.
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ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 26 December 2006 08:28 AM
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Roots and fifths on the low strings for both the I and IV chords.Basic changes give the I, IV, V chords. 7 or 8 strings that are strummable on at least the I, IV, V musical necks. grips and 3/4 finger picking is scarce in R&R, Acid, etc...framming is in. Simple mechanism...these folk don't want to be mechanics. Less is mo bettah! Folks just starting do not want to have to worry about avoiding certain combinations...remember when you started. Those migrating from standard guitar would find simmilar tuning structure re open string chords (E,A,B in particular) convenient. Maybe later a two neck with more complexity.
Simplicity indeed!
Get the thirds out of the mix via dampers activated by the I, IV, V changers.
[This message was edited by ed packard on 26 December 2006 at 08:31 AM.]
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David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 27 December 2006 10:28 PM
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Dampers... Ed, you always have an interesting slant.8 strings,
power chords below,
minors for both open and AB down
no minors at all if needed ( a vertical mute?) If there is one 6th note then the
relative minor is in there too.
But how to make it unconfusing is an issue. Maybe instead lower the open 3rds and lower
1 higher octave E to D on the same lever?
Instant minor7 chord, and this will work. Basically of you can play the circle of chords
from the major or minor scales within a few frets,
With a few lever and pedal movments,
and get pentatonic and minor arpegios easily,
then this will get most of their needs. And get a Dm7b5 to resolve to I/E. If you can play ;
Waiting For My Baby In San Fransisco Bay,
you will have most things you need. Most of these players will not be doing
more than a little country rock, so it's not needed
to have all the classic licks there. But a smiple organised structure for
covering the basic chord cycle
and not having
'dangerous' notes to easily 'clam' on. [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 27 December 2006 at 10:35 PM.]
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