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Topic: Need the correct Grover tuners for my Sho-Bud
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Mark Trzepacz
Member From: Hamburg, New York USA
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posted 20 December 2006 10:37 AM
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I have a couple of (Grover) tuners on my Sho-Bud LDG that have gone bad and obviously need to be replaced. I'll most likely just replace them all while I'm at it. Does anyone know the correct Part Number of the Grover Tuner used on the Sho-Buds?I've checked the Stewart Mcdonald online catalog, however, the Grover Tuner there that seems to be the correct replacement (via the spec sheets)are not offered in Chrome. Only what seems to be a dull, finish in Nickel or Gold. The Grover tuners that they offer in polished chrome and/or gold, don't seem to be dimensionally correct for my guitar (shaft is too long according to the spec sheet). ------------------
Sho-Bud LDG, Gretsch Syncromatic Lap Steel, Fender Steel King amp, Bach Stradivarious 37 Trumpet, Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn, Fender Precision Bass (pre-CBS)
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Kevin Mincke
Member From: Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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posted 20 December 2006 11:04 AM
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I think they were all nickel. Try this link: http://www.wdmusic.com/original_rotomatic_3_per_side_25698_prd1.htm |
David Nugent
Member From: Gum Spring, Va.
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posted 20 December 2006 05:06 PM
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The tuners you need are the large button Grovers. The only problem you will experience with the shaft length is on strings 5&6 where the keyhead is narrowest.
I believe you can disassemble two of the tuners and either grind the shafts down slightly or replace them with the shorter shafts from your existing tuners. |
Alan F. Brookes
Member From: Brummy living in California, USA
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posted 20 December 2006 05:08 PM
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Try John Coop and Bobby Seymour. |
James Morehead
Member From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 20 December 2006 10:00 PM
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You should get a new set of the Grover Rotomatic 18:1 tuners, and they come in nickel or stainless steel finish. I'd suggest the stainless. That's what my tuners are on my Professional. The old grovers are 14:1. You'd be amazed at the ease of tuning with the 18:1 tuners! They are fantastic!! John Coop can help you out, or maybe come up with a couple replacements if you want to hold off buying a new set. I'd suggest sending the old tuner, so he can match up as close as possible as he can. Shobud used many styles of grovers through the years. They ain't created equal. Hope this helps some.[This message was edited by James Morehead on 20 December 2006 at 10:04 PM.] |
Mark Trzepacz
Member From: Hamburg, New York USA
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posted 21 December 2006 06:44 AM
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Thanks for all the help (and emails) guys. As the "forum-mights" come through once again, I was able to determine which exact replacement tuners I needed and got them on order. They're supposed to be here on Friday.While I'm at it. I'm going to change them all out. I need to get it done to have the guitar ready for my New Years Eve gig. I'll be playing approximately 85% PSG that evening. Thanks again! ------------------
Sho-Bud LDG, Gretsch Syncromatic Lap Steel, Fender Steel King amp, Bach Stradivarious 37 Trumpet, Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn, Fender Precision Bass (pre-CBS)
[This message was edited by Mark Trzepacz on 21 December 2006 at 06:49 AM.]
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Mark Trzepacz
Member From: Hamburg, New York USA
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posted 21 December 2006 06:57 AM
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Oh, BTW...
I just last week put all new strings on the guitar. Once I remove them to change the tuners, can I reuse them again (they've only been on for a week) or would it be a better idea to use new strings?(I'm thinking that when I changed my strings last week, I managed to find the worn spots in the couple of tuners that are now giving me trouble.) ------------------
Sho-Bud LDG, Gretsch Syncromatic Lap Steel, Fender Steel King amp, Bach Stradivarious 37 Trumpet, Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn, Fender Precision Bass (pre-CBS)
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Kyle Everson
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee
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posted 21 December 2006 07:06 AM
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When I went to replace the Grovers on my 74 Martin, the new ones were made for a larger diameter hole (hence I would've had to wallow [sp?] out the holes to get them to fit). Has anyone encountered this problem on a Sho-Bud? |
Mark Trzepacz
Member From: Hamburg, New York USA
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posted 21 December 2006 07:17 AM
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Kyle,
I'm led to believe that these will fit as direct replacement for the exsisting tuners. However, as Dave Nugent mentioned, the only necessary modification should be grinding down the ends of the shafts of the tuners to be used for the 5th and 6th strings. This is just a simple modification (provided that you have a good grinder at your disposal).I guess I'll know for sure when I work on them over the weekend. ------------------
Sho-Bud LDG, Gretsch Syncromatic Lap Steel, Fender Steel King amp, Bach Stradivarious 37 Trumpet, Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn, Fender Precision Bass (pre-CBS)
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Mark Trzepacz
Member From: Hamburg, New York USA
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posted 22 December 2006 06:55 AM
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Sho-Bud LDG, Gretsch Syncromatic Lap Steel, Fender Steel King amp, Bach Stradivarious 37 Trumpet, Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn, Fender Precision Bass (pre-CBS)
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Bill Duve
Member From: Salamanca .New York, USA
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posted 22 December 2006 10:34 AM
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I came near new string bankruptcy using new ones every time I fixed things before I reused strings, no reason not to tho unless you clipped them too short as I see it, but then I dont have 20/20 anymore..
And im not playing a new years Gig with them either or I might think otherwise.  |
Mark Trzepacz
Member From: Hamburg, New York USA
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posted 22 December 2006 10:43 AM
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Yea. What the heck. I'll think I'll just throw on a new set and keep the current almost-new set for on-the-gig back ups (although I always carry along plenty of spares). Hey, it's only money!  All of you fellas have a MERRY CHRISTMAS!! ------------------
Sho-Bud LDG, Gretsch Syncromatic Lap Steel, Fender Steel King amp, Bach Stradivarious 37 Trumpet, Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn, Fender Precision Bass (pre-CBS)
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Alan F. Brookes
Member From: Brummy living in California, USA
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posted 22 December 2006 03:16 PM
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I never waste strings. If they break and there's some wear left in them I use them for a shorter instrument. My mandolines always end up with breakages from other instruments.... |
Mark Trzepacz
Member From: Hamburg, New York USA
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posted 23 December 2006 10:24 PM
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This may be amusing to some, informative for others (who might attempt this project) and just boring for the rest, but here’s my experience with changing my tuners..(on my mid 70's Sho-Bud LDG)Well, I received the new tuners over the weekend and immediately went to work on changing them. I found that working on a steel guitar is much like working on your house or car. What should be a relatively simple 1 hour Friday evening job, quickly becomes an “episode”. In addition to replacing the tuners, I also needed to remove and remount my fret board because it was lifting at both ends and in the center. Since I was going to have all of the strings off, what better time to take care of that project as well. I removed the strings then all of the old tuners. I then got the hair drier and heated the fret board enough to soften the adhesive underneath. The fret board came off without any problem. Then, with the help of a product called “Goof Off”, I proceeded to carefully clean off the remaining adhesive from the guitar and the underside of the fret board. Worked great and up to this point, no problem. After cleaning both surfaces, I proceeded to apply the new and better heavy duty double sided tape to the underside of the fret board. This is where it started… I ended up being approximately 6” short of double sided tape in order to complete that job. Oh well, I’ll just run up to the hardware store first thing in the morning and get some more. In the meantime, I’ll replace the tuners… Went out to the garage and ground the ends of the shafts for the two tuners for strings 5 & 6. No problem. Proceeded to install the tuners and found that the new mounting screws that Grover now provides are smaller than the originals, and therefore they just fall right into the old holes! Ok, I’ll just use the old screws. Not so fast. The through holes in the mounting flange are now too small for the older, large diameter screws. Ok, I’ll just carefully drill out the mounting holes to allow the larger screws to fit. No problem. So, now I proceed to mount the tuners and find that Grover also has ever so slightly changed the housing dimensions – only by about .030”/.040” – just enough so that now the heads of the older screws bump into the side of the gear housing. I had to take my cordless drill and chuck up each screw and “cylindrically grind” (using my pedestal grinder while spinning the screws in my drill) the outside diameter of each of the older screw heads just enough to clear the housing and achieve good alignment with the mounting holes. Ok, that was a little tedious, but worked out ok. I then proceeded to mount the tuners with no problem…until the last two. For some reason the inside mounting sleeve/nut (that screws down around the shaft on the opposite side) bottomed out before securing the tuners for both strings 1 & 10. This is because the wall thickness in the key head where these two are mounted is much thinner than the rest of the tuner locations. I ended up using a couple of the washers from the old tuners to keep the fitting from bottoming out before securing the two tuners to the key head. I finally got them all installed, remounted the fret board and put a new set of strings on. What I thought was only going to be maybe a 1 to 1-1/2 hour job took all Friday evening and all Saturday morning. Oh well, all done now. Merry Christmas!
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Sho-Bud LDG, Gretsch Syncromatic Lap Steel, Fender Steel King amp, Bach Stradivarious 37 Trumpet, Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn, Fender Precision Bass (pre-CBS)
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Mike Wheeler
Member From: Columbus, Ohio, USA
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posted 24 December 2006 06:45 AM
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Good thing you had the time to invest. I did some similar work once, thinking it was a simple, quick repair, the day before a BIG gig......OOPS!!.....I ended up having to spend the entire day anxiously working towards the finish line while trying to think up a good excuse why I couldn't do the gig!!It all finally came together around 2am, but i was so stressed out that night, I couldn't sleep and was a wreck at the gig. You can believe I never made THAT mistake again!! |
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