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Topic: Rusty Young tab?
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Steve Sycamore
Member From: Skelleftea, Sweden
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posted 02 September 1999 08:18 PM
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Hello,Can anyone share some Rusty Young licks or solos? Does anyone know what guitars he used for each of the Poco albums or any other albums? Any other general information? In return, maybe I could offer some interesting licks or solos from other players. Steve ------------------
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BobG
Member From: Holmdel, NJ
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posted 05 September 1999 05:12 PM
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Steve, Rusty Young published a book called "The Pedal Steel Handbook" back in 1978 that has a lot of his tab in it.
A good feeling to know
Bad Weather
Hoedown
Pickin up the pieces
Rocky mountain breakdown
Rose of Cimarron
Sagebrush Serenade
You better think twice
I haven't checked this book out in awhile. I think i'll give "Bad Weather" another try.
Good luck in your search,
BobG
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JB Arnold
Member From: Longmont,Co,USA
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posted 05 September 1999 06:56 PM
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Can you still get that book?John
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BobG
Member From: Holmdel, NJ
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posted 06 September 1999 06:06 AM
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I'm not sure if it's still available. I haven't seen it on the shelves in years. A look at the copyright shows it published by Warner Bros. Publications in 1978.
The book store stamp on the back cover is for
Music Books Inc.
169 W. 48 st.
NYC
tel# 212 869 1155
Whether or not they're still in business is anyones guess. I bought the book 20 years ago!!
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Dave Horch
Member From: Frederick, Maryland, USA
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posted 08 September 1999 09:00 AM
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I can't seem to find it using the normal net search stuff. No one picks up the phone at 212-869-1155.So... Hey BobG, would you consider selling that book? Let me know, as I would be very interested. Thanks, -Dave
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Randy Pettit
Member From: Van Alstyne, Texas USA
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posted 08 September 1999 02:56 PM
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Steve, I believe for all of his Poco years, Rusty played a Sho-Bud D-10. In the later years of Poco he experimented with a Leslie speaker, and also used a Melobar on several Poco recordings. His Melobar work was often credited on Poco albums as "steel guitar" as opposed to "pedal steel guitar". For all of Rusty's fine E9 work with Poco, I'm still blown away by his C6 ride on "Everybody's Talkin'" on the Suite Steel album. It's the only C6 work I've heard him play.
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Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 08 September 1999 10:16 PM
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I believe he used a ShoBud D-10 for most of the time, but at some point with Poco he was using a ZB Custom too.Now, if anyone would tab out "Kind Woman" I would thank you up and down a thousand times. That's the tune that got me hooked on steel... and I still can't cop it! [This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 09-08-99]
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BobG
Member From: Holmdel, NJ
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posted 09 September 1999 04:03 AM
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Dave, I think i'll hold on to the book but if you tell me which tab your interested in i'll scan it (as soon as i get my scanner , by the end of the week)and email it to you.
Jim, Thats one of the songs that hooked me also (I think you'll need a Leslie to get those licks though). The solo that completely blew me away was on Pocos' first album. It was the whole second side of the album. About twenty minutes into the cut Rusty breaks into this incredible slide solo, done on the steel, using a little distortion and i think some delay. I've seem him do this song live back in the 70s' and right before that solo he would poor lighter fluid on his steel and set it aflame right before he dove in!!! I miss those days  As the cobwebs begin to clear I now remember he actually did that solo on a lap steel, with the legs fully extended so he could play standing up.[This message was edited by BobG on 09-09-99] [This message was edited by BobG on 09-09-99] [This message was edited by BobG on 09-09-99]
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Steve Sycamore
Member From: Skelleftea, Sweden
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posted 09 September 1999 04:18 AM
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Thanks for all this information. The distributor in New York has moved. Their number is now 973-470-0701. The person there told me that the book went out of print in 1991. I guess that means that inventory also gets destroyed.Maybe we could get permission from the publisher to reproduce copies for non-commercial distribution. I'm moving and won't have my guitar available for about a month. When I get it back and have a few spare minutes, I'll tab out the solo to "Kind Woman". I had heard that on the early albums, Rusty used mostly the ZB. That's especially interesting to me because I have a '69 D10 that Jerry Fessenden just rebuilt to perfection. It sounds and looks very, very nice.
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Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 09 September 1999 08:53 PM
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When I get it back and have a few spare minutes, I'll tab out the solo to "Kind Woman".
Bless you, son, bless you.[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 09-09-99]
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Michael Brebes
Member From: Northridge CA
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posted 10 September 1999 06:52 AM
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I saw Poco right after their 1st album came out in '70 and Rusty was playing a D10, with a Fender/Leslie cabinet & a wah for those wild organ sounds. He is also the one who got me to see the pedal steel as a viable instrument for something besides the Porter Wagoner Show. I'd love to get the tab to some of those tunes as well, if someone finds a source.
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Steve Sycamore
Member From: Skelleftea, Sweden
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posted 04 November 1999 09:13 AM
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I have an extra copy of Rusty Young's book in mint condition that I'll offer up for sale. I also have the email address of another player with a book who would consider selling his.Steve sycamore@inr.net
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Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 05 November 1999 08:51 AM
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There's also one on eBay right now.Hey, Steve, I'd still love to see your tab for "Kind Woman" if you're willing to write it out. Thanks!
jc
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Glenn Suchan
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 05 November 1999 03:14 PM
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Check out Rusty's solo on "Hurry Up" from the second Poco album. Latin/blues on pedal steel guitar with the Leslie speaker. One of the most original solos I've heard on this instrument.
Keep on pickin'!
Glenn
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Steve Sycamore
Member From: Skelleftea, Sweden
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posted 08 November 1999 12:55 PM
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At the moment all of my records and CD's are
in boxes with 6 other boxes stacked on top of
them. I don't have the space to really find the album, but I should be moving to a
bigger place in 3 or 4 weeks if I'm lucky. But the guitar is out and tuned!What album was "Kind Woman" on? Their first?
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Dean Forshee
Member From: Benicia, California
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posted 10 November 1999 07:00 AM
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<>I think it was on Buffalo Springfield's first album. Maybe it was called "Retrospective" or something like that. It is an awesome solo. One of the first that really attracted me to the steel.
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Steve Sycamore
Member From: Skelleftea, Sweden
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posted 10 November 1999 11:05 AM
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Okay, I've gotten seven email replies to my message about the extra Rusty Young Handbook and probably would get a lot more soon. Could one of you open a new topic for resolving how people can get a copy of the book?I'd suggest trying to contact the copyright owner and asking for permission to make and distribute a limited amount of copies. I'll hold off selling the extra book until someone gets an answer on this. I'm really too busy to see to the details myself. The book shows Warner Bros. Publications Inc. as the copyright owner in 1978. They might even do the copying themselves for a fee and to make sure of the number of copies that get distributed.
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Michael Brebes
Member From: Northridge CA
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posted 10 November 1999 12:32 PM
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Regarding on what album "Kind Woman" was recorded, it was on the final Buffalo Springfield album, "Last Time Around". It also shows up on a CD best-of called "Retrospective".
By the way, I tried to get the Rusty Young book on Ebay. It went up to just under $44, and I wasn't willing to go above there.
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Steven Feldman
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posted 11 November 1999 06:17 PM
Steve -
I'll try to make a few inquiries with Warner Bros. It would help if you posted the full citation for the book - i.e., Young, R. date, exact title, publisher (WB?), and ISBN number. I'll find out what I can.
Steve
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Dave Van Allen
Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 12 November 1999 09:18 PM
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Steve, I believe for all of his Poco years, Rusty played a Sho-Bud D-10. In the later years of Poco he experimented with a Leslie speaker, and also used a Melobar on several Poco recordings. His
Melobar work was often credited on Poco albums as "steel guitar" as
opposed to "pedal steel guitar". For all of Rusty's fine E9 work with
Poco, I'm still blown away by his C6 ride on "Everybody's Talkin'" on the Suite Steel album. It's the only C6 work I've heard him play.
I beg to differ...or shall I say- clarify Rusty Young played a ZB Custom D10 (the sound that drew me to steel guitar ) for
"Pickin up the pieces" album, "POCO", and "DeLIVErin'" albums. ALong with a Mosrite amplified Dobro(tm) His experimentation and aplication of Leslie effected steel was evident as early as their second album "POCO"(not "in the later years") with "Tonto De Nadie Regressa" the long jam on the album's second side, which was primarily C6th and I am positive the leslie steel on the DeLIVErin' version of "Kind Woman" is also C6th He switched to Sho~Bud about the time they recorded "Bad Weather" and thenceforth. He now plays a Carter... ------------------
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Steve Sycamore
Member From: Skelleftea, Sweden
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posted 14 November 1999 02:02 PM
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Steve, The book has no ISBN. The exact title is "The Pedal Steel Handbook" By Rusty Young. Warner Bros. Publications Inc. at 76 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10019 is the publisher. The copyright notice says 1978 but other than that, no more information is printed.Dave, Thanks for that information. I had heard the ZB was promonent in the early years but didn't know exactly which albums. A ZB D10 from built the same time is also what Jerry Garcia played on "Teach Your Children". I think that's another example of excellent tone and sound. Anyone know what model pedal steel Danny Gatton played on "Rednack Jazz" (the tunes Buddy Emmons didn't play)?
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Dayton Osland
Member From: Fox Lake, IL USA
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posted 20 November 1999 12:27 PM
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Hello,Don't forget to check your library system. I just got "The Pedal Steel Handbook" via the interlibrary loan program. A quick review: The book is 80 pages and is orient toward beginning players. The first chapter describes guitars and other equipment. The second chapter explains tab or "diagram music" as Rusty calls it. This chapter is for a six string lap steel. Chapter three explains standard music notation (which is used a lot in this book). The fourth Chapter gets into Pedal Steel. His pedal and lever arrangement is not what is "standard" today. His P1 & P3 are exchanged compared with most tab we see today. Therefore most of the tabs will need to be redone to be useful on today's instruments (at least for me). The chapter includes chord building and has a nice summary of chords at the end of the chapter. Chapter 5 is arranging for the pedal steel. This discusses harmonizing from a piano lead sheet. Chapter six covers "Steel Tricks". Pedal usage, single note runs, volume pedal usage and use of open strings in harmonizing. He also touches on harmonics and alternate tunings. Chapter 7 is elements of soloing, which dicusses note location and some canned lead-in, lead-outs and how to cover mistakes. Overall the book is good. Rusty's humor is nice but not overdone. If you are looking for tab to play now, you will be disapointed. If you are willing to work with what is presented there is some good material. ------------------
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Michael Brebes
Member From: Northridge CA
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posted 23 November 1999 09:57 AM
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I contacted Warner Bros. about the book and this is the response I got back:
I'm sorry, but we do not have any copies of the book you are asking about
available. However, if you do intend to make copies from a book you
already have, you must contact our Copyrights and Permissions Dept. You
can reach Warner Bros. Publications by calling 800-327-7643 if outside
Florida, 800-468-5010 if calling from within the state.Jennifer Perugini
Sales Dept.
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Don Sulesky
Member From: Hernando, Fl. usa
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posted 26 November 1999 04:30 AM
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Kind Woman from my recolection was on the Deliverin album.
I wore my first copy out and got another at a used record store back in the 80's.
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Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 27 November 1999 12:52 PM
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It may have been on Poco's Deliverin' album,too, but the definitive version was the earlier one, by Buffalo Springfield; if you're gonna make the effort to tab it out, please do that one!
thx
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mikey
Member From: Hawaii, Big Island
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posted 28 November 1999 10:09 PM
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You can copy ANY portion of any book for educational purposes, IF you do not charge or accept a fee...It's the law...
Mike
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Steve Sycamore
Member From: Skelleftea, Sweden
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posted 12 March 2000 04:05 PM
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Okay, I finally had the time to work on this solo. It's posted under another topic but got messed up. I'll try one more time to post a clean copy:Solo to Kind Woman
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steve takacs
Member From: beijing, china
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posted 06 October 2000 08:28 AM
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Nice job there Stevo on this Rusty Young solo; much appreciated, another Steve |
Jeff Lampert
Member From: queens, new york city
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posted 06 October 2000 09:22 AM
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I like the way you can shake off the cobwebs on these threads. |
Brian Herder
Member From: Philadelphia, Pa. USA
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posted 10 October 2000 07:55 PM
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DVA is right about the ZB..I don't think he used the Sho Bud until @ Bad Weather. I always liked the Buffalo Springfield version of Kind Woman with the ZB and no effects...the Leslie sounded like a gimmick to me..and harsh..but to each his own. Isn't the Springfield version E9? |
Dave Van Allen
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posted 01 December 2000 09:20 PM
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Isn't the Springfield version E9?
beyond a shadow of doubt. one of the top 10 steel guitar cuts of all time. Fluid. Brilliant. Unique. If he had never played another lick on record this would put him in the pantheon. |
Steve Sycamore
Member From: Skelleftea, Sweden
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posted 02 December 2000 07:06 AM
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There is one strange low note near the end of the first pass through the solo. It sounds like it came from a C6 neck because it's too low to play from the E9. It could have come from the bass, but it has the timbre and slight detuning effect that's characteristic of a pedal steel.I came to the conclusion that it was either an overdub or an recording accident that just happened to fit. He might have first tried to record a solo played on a C6.
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