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Bobby Lee
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Al Marcus
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posted 27 May 2001 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
Gene Jones, made a good suggestion, about putting the B6 on the bottom neck and leave E9 on top.

Anyone can still play all the Tab and everything on B6 that they now play on C6.

This would be a good start for D10 players to get used to the Bar positions on B6, so if they went to U12, they would be used to it. It's a start!

But folks,Reece Anderson (Not in the Hall of Fame???), again, has said it all and so very true.

I believe that somewhere down the road, in the future, Most all of your children and grand children , who play a Pedal Steel Guitar, will be doing it on a S12, or even a S13, or S14.

How many have seen the S12, 5 pedal 5 knee lever Universal E9/B6 on Carter's "ask bud" website? It is all there for most kinds of playing and C pedal not needed, the E to F# is on a knee. Very simple and comfortable.

Emmons had better start building S12's again or they will be losing a lot of new sales , as they are now to companies building S12's...........al

[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 27 May 2001 at 07:34 PM.]



Al Marcus
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posted 27 May 2001 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Marcus     
Hi Jeff, thanks for stimulating our brains.

But I am sure that Curly Chalker would have no problem playing a U12, and Buddy Emmons can play "Nightlife" on a U12 very nicely, thank you.

When I first started playing Hawaiian guitar, the STANDARD was a 6 string wooden guitar.

Then we moved on and the 6 string electric(supro,national,etc) was the STANDARD.

Then moved on again to 8 and 10 string single , and it was for a while the STANDARD.

Then moving on to a Double 8 string and IT was the STANDARD.

Then Bigsby (for one) put a couple of pedals on one of those necks, Everyone had to have one of those.

Then the big change in about 1940. Gibson built the 6 pedal 8 string single neck Electra-Harp and the Multi-Kord came out too , a single neck 8 string 6 pedal .

Neither of these became standard, (although many were sold.) It was to me, as I played that Gibson for about 20 years.

The nearest steel guitar that I see as STANDARD on the market, is a Single 10 E9 tuning with 3 pedals and the usual 2 knee levers.(raising and lowering the E's). It is good enough for a beginner or a professional.

Jeff, I see the STANDARD as a MOVING TARGET, always evolving and changing over time.

Someday in the future , we may have a STANDARD, but there is None Now.
Thankfully .....al

[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 27 May 2001 at 07:16 PM.]



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posted 28 May 2001 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Henry     
I dropped in late on this one, so hereīs just a few of my personal thoughts.
"D-10 is the standard, just as 6 strings is for guitars, 4 for violins, 88 keys for piano etc."
I think some of you guys are missing something here. One must consider that the aforementioned instruments have been around for centuries. The pedal steel guitar, on the other hand, has a history of less than 50 years. Do you really believe that the guitar, the violin or the piano as we know them today, have evolved into the shape that is now considered "standard" after such a short time? I am far from being a music historian, but Iīm almost sure that it took a lot longer. Just look at the evolution of the piano from the days of Bach to Mozart to Beethoven. There were guitar-like instruments with more than six strings in those days that are almost forgotten now, they probably were "standard" back then until they were dropped in favor of the most useful design. I just think that our instrument is far too young to consider its evolution already completed. As for the D-10 / U-12 debate, my own personal opinion is, a player should not base his/her choice so much on what his/her "heroes" are playing, but on what he/she really feels best with. If someday I will finally be able to afford to buy another steel, and itīs got to offer both tunings since I want to get into C6 some day, I would like to try a D-10 mostly because by now Iīve grown accustomed to some extra E9 changes that might be hard to accomodate on a U-12. But who knows, I might as well find a universal that knocks me out. (The only local player Iīve had a chance to learn some stuff from plays one, and incidentally his "heroes" are all D-10 players.) I will just have to see what I like best.
By the way, I think Reece Andersonīs article on the subject ("Back And To The Future") is great. It just covers about all aspects.

Joe Henry
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[This message was edited by Joe Henry on 29 May 2001 at 09:50 AM.]



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