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slick Member From: Calhoun Georgia |
posted 27 April 2002 05:18 PM
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Who in your opinion is the fastest,cleanest single note player in the world today?
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Earnest Bovine Member From: Los Angeles CA USA |
posted 27 April 2002 05:25 PM
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Sarah Chang |
Larry Behm Member From: Oregon City, Oregon |
posted 27 April 2002 06:05 PM
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Tommy White,Mike Smith, Paul Franklin, Terry Crisp. Larry |
Carl West Member From: La Habra, CA, USA |
posted 27 April 2002 06:09 PM
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Tommy White ! Carl West |
chas smith Member From: Encino, CA, USA |
posted 27 April 2002 06:52 PM
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Since the speed limit for human repetative action is around 11 cycles per second, there is an upper limit to all of this. As an aside, this accounted for some of the fascination with early electronic music in so far as synthesizers could play notes faster than humans had heard, also credits to Conlon Nancarrow and his player piano rolls. |
Carl West Member From: La Habra, CA, USA |
posted 27 April 2002 06:55 PM
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HUH ????????????? |
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 27 April 2002 09:28 PM
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What Larry said! plus Jay Dee! |
Mike Weirauch Member From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe |
posted 27 April 2002 09:50 PM
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Tommy White, hands down!!!! |
Marco Schouten Member From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands |
posted 28 April 2002 03:31 AM
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How about Doug Jernigan? ------------------ |
Steve Allison Member From: Eatonton,Ga. U.S.A. |
posted 28 April 2002 06:07 AM
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Wally Murphy too !!!!!!!!!!!! |
Steve Allison Member From: Eatonton,Ga. U.S.A. |
posted 28 April 2002 06:08 AM
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Joe Wright is a flash also !!!!!!! |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
posted 28 April 2002 07:37 AM
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No doubt all the above players might be. Herbie Wallace came to mind first for me. Now that I think it, about Joe Wright must have the edge, due to using 3 fingers and thumb. Useless discussion, but not my first (or last). [This message was edited by Joey Ace on 28 April 2002 at 07:38 AM.] |
C Dixon Member From: Duluth, GA USA |
posted 28 April 2002 08:02 AM
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Paul Franklin! And the cleanest IMO. Tommy White is a close second. carl |
Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
posted 28 April 2002 08:25 AM
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WHO CARES? All the players you mention use speed in composing a solo. It is a means to introduce tension and excitement. They play as fast as they need to. This ain't the old west, folks, this is artistic expression. . . . at least that's what I THOUGHT. |
Fred Murphy Member From: Indianapolis, In. USA |
posted 28 April 2002 09:00 AM
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I would have to vote for Herby Wallace. He plays as clean as it gets. |
Bob Farlow Member From: Marietta,GA, |
posted 28 April 2002 09:10 AM
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Hey Slick, the way I interpret your question, I can pick a single note as fast as anyone. But, on the other hand I'm only a half-fast picker. (You knew that was coming -- right?) [This message was edited by Bob Farlow on 28 April 2002 at 09:10 AM.] |
Bob Hoffnar Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 28 April 2002 09:28 AM
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For pickin fast the Chinese Pipa players are much faster than anybody. here is the site of a player that has been tearing it up on the new music scene: here is a quote from a Pipa site: quote: the Chinese Barbara Mandrell?
Bob [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 28 April 2002 at 09:32 AM.] [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 28 April 2002 at 09:35 AM.] |
slick Member From: Calhoun Georgia |
posted 28 April 2002 09:36 AM
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Hey Bob, I knew it was coming,just didnt know when. I suppose it really doesn't matter who is the fastest,cleanest picker on earth,i just wanted to hear some expert opinions.All the stellers mentioned above play at speeds that to me seem humanly impossible.If i could only learn to pick block.WHOOPS!! Wayne Broyles |
Steve Miller Member From: Long Beach, CA, USA |
posted 28 April 2002 09:47 AM
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Well Duh! It's gotta be the guy playin' the BLACK steel right? Besides, if there's anyone who can play faster than Doug J. I don't want to know about it! |
Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA |
posted 28 April 2002 09:51 AM
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I wish I could play like that... and then I wouldn't. |
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A. |
posted 28 April 2002 10:01 AM
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I guess any good player could do somewhere between 12 and 18 notes/second if he was doing a 3-string roll...maybe even a little faster. Same thing for a single string roll using a thumb and 2 finger picks. There are many different picking techniques, and each has the edge somewhere. Playing small clusters of very fast notes for a second or two is far easier than keeping that pace up for longer periods. Lead players and banjo players just seem to be better than steel players at this. The picking techniques should transfer, but they normally don't. After a few bars, even the best steelers seem to have to "stop and re-group". Speed has always been one of the benchmarks of an outstanding player, no matter what instrument he plays. Literally thousands can play the slow stuff really pretty. But when the tune calls for really "hot licks", that's where the exceptional players shine. Also, before I get slammed by the cognoscenti, let me add that speed has very little to do with popularity or success. The really hot players are playing far above the heads of the average person. The only ones who recognize and appreciate these abilities are other musicians. (John Q. Public hasn't a clue.) |
Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA |
posted 28 April 2002 11:32 AM
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quote:Donny, there's an opposite school of thought (isn't there always?) that says that lots of people can play fast, but when the tune calls for a ballad, that's where the exceptional players shine. I tend to subscribe to that. ------------------ |
chas smith Member From: Encino, CA, USA |
posted 28 April 2002 12:02 PM
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quote:What if that was because they noticed that they weren't being musical? I can't help but wonder about the quantity vs quality issues, if I paid a $10 admission and the steel player played 100 notes, then each note cost me 10 cents, but if he played 1000 notes, each cost me a penny and I really got my moneys worth. |
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A. |
posted 28 April 2002 02:32 PM
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Well, I didn't say a player had to play a gazillion notes in every song! Sheesh! But, when they have the ability, I sure like to see it once in awhile. Sure, a part of being a good musician is knowing what to play, and when to play it. We all start off playing slow, and then we accomplish the speed part after some years of practice...most of us, anyway. Then good ol' "Mother Nature" steps in (with old age), and says "Ah-ah-ah...you can't do that anymore!" And that's why most of us old guys like the slow stuff. (LOL!) |
Rick Collins Member From: Claremont , CA USA |
posted 28 April 2002 03:57 PM
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quote: I'd say that the Latino lettuce pickers in the San Joaquin Valley of California are among the fastest, considering the size of some of those heads of lettuce;___don't know why anyone would want to pick a steel guitar extremely fast. For my taste, anything ever played extremely fast on a steel guitar would have always sounded much better letting the lead guitarist play it. They can usually do it much faster anyway. Rick |
Frank Parish Member From: Nashville,Tn. USA |
posted 28 April 2002 04:10 PM
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First guy to play a buzz roll with his picks gets my vote. |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA |
posted 28 April 2002 05:29 PM
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One thing to remember, the faster you play, the less important tone is! OR, If you are on a trip in an uncomfortable car that goes real fast, at least you won't have to endure the pain very long. I wish this meant, "If you play real fast , at least you'll get it over quicker," -------But it doesn't. Speed and beauty go together in a lot of things, cars, airplanes,horses, but not really in steel guitar. I'm thankful to be able to play quickly if I have to, but I'd rather not have to. This statement is being made after being a professional player for over 150 years.( well , close).It seems as though the older one gets, the more mature their playing gets,and the less important blazing speed becomes. I have listened to the incredible Buddy Emmons for over 50 years, and this seems to be the pattern of the greatest. Speed gives way to beauty, tone,execution and taste. Speed is more and more of less and less consequense as playing and players mature. This may just be a steel guitar thing, since it is such a beautiful sounding instrument. If I'd have wanted steel guitar to sound like a banjo, I'd be playing banjo now and telling steel guitar jokes, instead of the other way around. The moral of this story is, if you are going to play fast, try to make it say something, and not just "run around in circles",(banjo, etc.) Doesn't matter how fast you can play, what matters is WHAT YOU PLAY. I don't see it as a very good compliment when someone says," Boy, you should hear this new kid! He plays faster than anybody!". To me,--How fast he wiggles his fingers has very little to do with how he "wiggles his mind!" My favorite steel players can't play very fast at all! Bobbe Seymour |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA |
posted 28 April 2002 05:33 PM
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Back to the subject, Buddy can probibly still kick any butt he wishes to on speed, but he has the "mature taste" not to, (unless he has to!). Yep, I'll vote for him,if accuracy and tone are in the equation. With respect to one of the greatest, [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 28 April 2002 at 05:34 PM.] |
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A. |
posted 28 April 2002 06:33 PM
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I can certainly relate to what Bobbee says. You're tone is certainly less noticable when you're playing really fast stuff. Another classic by Bobbee... quote: That's a good one, Bobbee! By the way, those banjo pickers do tell jokes about us pedal steelers, like..."How can you recognize the pedal steel player in a band? Easy, he's the guy with one arm three inches longer than the other!" Turnabout is fair play, I guess. |
Al Marcus Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA |
posted 28 April 2002 06:50 PM
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Let's read that post that Bobbe wrote again. And just think all that advice is Free! .....al |
Doug Beaumier Member From: Northampton, MA |
posted 28 April 2002 07:39 PM
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It's important to be able to speedpick when necessary, but the sounds that draw people to the steel guitar are the expressive sounds. Below is a Quote from Jerry Byrd that pretty much sums this up. This is from Jack Byrd's post in the No-Peddlers section:
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B Cole unregistered |
posted 28 April 2002 08:20 PM
Well one thing for sure if you gotta play fast you gonna play pretty. I guess I will stick to pretty |
J. Lynn Davis New Member From: Knoxville, TN, USA |
posted 28 April 2002 08:22 PM
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Herby Wallace is definetly my pick! Alot of people can play fast, but not extremely fast and very clean! That is saying alot. He's my pick. Doug J. is right up there! |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA |
posted 28 April 2002 11:59 PM
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Jerry Byrd is one of the guys I was talking about,along with Jimmy Day,Lloyd Green,Stu Basore,Ron Elliott,these guys are Rolls - Royce players,not Mustang players. Class , quality,not quite as fast maybe, but they are famous for getting the job done and still making everyone gasp in wonderment! This is how I wish to be known (maybe a little thumbstyle thrown in for good measure). Jerry Byrd, WOW! Yes! Forever! [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 29 April 2002 at 12:01 AM.] |
Mike Cass Member From: Nashville,Tn. U.S.A. |
posted 29 April 2002 12:18 AM
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...i was sitting in some guys basement out in Hermitage, listening to him play his steel guitar the other day...& judging from what I heard then & have heard many times before, I believe this argument was over in about 1955 or '56.. ....nuff said |
Johan Jansen Member From: Europe |
posted 29 April 2002 03:26 AM
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Like a comic: fastes shooter in the West. To me it's important how flexible a steeler is, be able to play every kind of music. With my knowledge, then I have Paul Franklin on a pedestal. JJ |
Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 29 April 2002 04:50 AM
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I've been turned on to speed pickin' ever since the old Doug Jernigan album with the two chicks in bikinis on the cover. He did Orange Blossom Special. As far as I'm concerned he was the master of it then and remains the king of speed today. I've heard all of the hot players but I still prefer Doug's choice on notes, technique, tone, and everything. I believe Jim Cohen said something like "Lot's of players can play fast but when it comes to a ballad that's where the real players shine" of something like that. I've got an opposite point of view of that too! Lot's of people can't play fast. I've heard a whole lot of people play ballads and such but the thing that really turns on a crowd is a good hoedown or uptempo tune. In that respect Doug is still the king!! ------------------ [This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 29 April 2002 at 05:08 AM.] |
Rusty Hurse Member From: Hendesonville, Tn |
posted 29 April 2002 05:21 AM
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Like Mike Cass I too have been in that BASEMENT!He is right this argument was over in 55 or 56!You just cant top GRANDADDY! |
Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA |
posted 29 April 2002 05:33 AM
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Hey, Jerry, no fair! My 'argument' was already an opposite to the opposite argument, and then you made the opposite argument to my opposite, which put you back at square one (the opposite). Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it (but the opposite could also be said). |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 29 April 2002 07:53 AM
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* [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 06 May 2002 at 04:20 PM.] |
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