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slick
Member

From: Calhoun Georgia

posted 27 April 2002 05:18 PM     profile     
Who in your opinion is the fastest,cleanest
single note player in the world today?


S---K
Wayne Broyles

Earnest Bovine
Member

From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 27 April 2002 05:25 PM     profile     
Sarah Chang
Larry Behm
Member

From: Oregon City, Oregon

posted 27 April 2002 06:05 PM     profile     
Tommy White,Mike Smith, Paul Franklin, Terry Crisp.

Larry

Carl West
Member

From: La Habra, CA, USA

posted 27 April 2002 06:09 PM     profile     
Tommy White !

Carl West
Emmons LaGrand lll

chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 27 April 2002 06:52 PM     profile     
Since the speed limit for human repetative action is around 11 cycles per second, there is an upper limit to all of this. As an aside, this accounted for some of the fascination with early electronic music in so far as synthesizers could play notes faster than humans had heard, also credits to Conlon Nancarrow and his player piano rolls.
Carl West
Member

From: La Habra, CA, USA

posted 27 April 2002 06:55 PM     profile     
HUH ?????????????
Reggie Duncan
Member

From: Mississippi

posted 27 April 2002 09:28 PM     profile     
What Larry said! plus Jay Dee!
Mike Weirauch
Member

From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe

posted 27 April 2002 09:50 PM     profile     
Tommy White, hands down!!!!
Marco Schouten
Member

From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands

posted 28 April 2002 03:31 AM     profile     
How about Doug Jernigan?

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Steve Allison
Member

From: Eatonton,Ga. U.S.A.

posted 28 April 2002 06:07 AM     profile     
Wally Murphy too !!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Allison
Member

From: Eatonton,Ga. U.S.A.

posted 28 April 2002 06:08 AM     profile     
Joe Wright is a flash also !!!!!!!
Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 28 April 2002 07:37 AM     profile     
No doubt all the above players might be.
Herbie Wallace came to mind first for me.

Now that I think it, about Joe Wright must have the edge, due to using 3 fingers and thumb.

Useless discussion, but not my first (or last).

[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 28 April 2002 at 07:38 AM.]

C Dixon
Member

From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 28 April 2002 08:02 AM     profile     
Paul Franklin!

And the cleanest IMO. Tommy White is a close second.

carl

Larry Bell
Member

From: Englewood, Florida

posted 28 April 2002 08:25 AM     profile     
WHO CARES?

All the players you mention use speed in composing a solo. It is a means to introduce tension and excitement. They play as fast as they need to. This ain't the old west, folks, this is artistic expression.

. . . at least that's what I THOUGHT.
(guess I could be wrong)

Fred Murphy
Member

From: Indianapolis, In. USA

posted 28 April 2002 09:00 AM     profile     
I would have to vote for Herby Wallace. He plays as clean as it gets.
Bob Farlow
Member

From: Marietta,GA,

posted 28 April 2002 09:10 AM     profile     
Hey Slick, the way I interpret your question,
I can pick a single note as fast as anyone. But, on the other hand I'm only a half-fast picker. (You knew that was coming -- right?)

[This message was edited by Bob Farlow on 28 April 2002 at 09:10 AM.]

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 28 April 2002 09:28 AM     profile     
For pickin fast the Chinese Pipa players are much faster than anybody.

here is the site of a player that has been tearing it up on the new music scene:
www.wumanpipa.org/wumanpipa/us/html/home.html

here is a quote from a Pipa site:

quote:
Plucking techniques involve every finger of the right hand, but most frequently the thumb and index finger. Standard strokes include tan, a rightwards pluck with the index finger, and tiao, a stroke in the opposite direction with the thumb. When these strokes are repeated in quick succession the resulting tremolo is termed gun, literally "roll." A second mode of producing a sustained tone is called lun, or "wheel." This technique involves plucking the string alternately and continuously with all the fingers in rapid and smooth succession.



the Chinese Barbara Mandrell?


Lets not forget Robert Randolph when it comes to fast playing.

Bob

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 28 April 2002 at 09:32 AM.]

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 28 April 2002 at 09:35 AM.]

slick
Member

From: Calhoun Georgia

posted 28 April 2002 09:36 AM     profile     
Hey Bob,
I knew it was coming,just didnt know when.
I suppose it really doesn't matter who is the
fastest,cleanest picker on earth,i just wanted to hear some expert opinions.All the stellers mentioned above play at speeds that
to me seem humanly impossible.If i could only
learn to pick block.WHOOPS!!

Wayne Broyles

Steve Miller
Member

From: Long Beach, CA, USA

posted 28 April 2002 09:47 AM     profile     
Well Duh! It's gotta be the guy playin' the BLACK steel right? Besides, if there's anyone who can play faster than Doug J. I don't want to know about it!
Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 28 April 2002 09:51 AM     profile     
I wish I could play like that... and then I wouldn't.
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 28 April 2002 10:01 AM     profile     
I guess any good player could do somewhere between 12 and 18 notes/second if he was doing a 3-string roll...maybe even a little faster. Same thing for a single string roll using a thumb and 2 finger picks. There are many different picking techniques, and each has the edge somewhere. Playing small clusters of very fast notes for a second or two is far easier than keeping that pace up for longer periods. Lead players and banjo players just seem to be better than steel players at this. The picking techniques should transfer, but they normally don't. After a few bars, even the best steelers seem to have to "stop and re-group".

Speed has always been one of the benchmarks of an outstanding player, no matter what instrument he plays. Literally thousands can play the slow stuff really pretty. But when the tune calls for really "hot licks", that's where the exceptional players shine.

Also, before I get slammed by the cognoscenti, let me add that speed has very little to do with popularity or success. The really hot players are playing far above the heads of the average person. The only ones who recognize and appreciate these abilities are other musicians. (John Q. Public hasn't a clue.)
As I've said many times, style outsells sheer ability. In fact, a unique style is often the best ability.

Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 28 April 2002 11:32 AM     profile     
quote:
Literally thousands can play the slow stuff really pretty. But when the tune calls for really "hot licks", that's where the exceptional players shine.
Donny, there's an opposite school of thought (isn't there always?) that says that lots of people can play fast, but when the tune calls for a ballad, that's where the exceptional players shine. I tend to subscribe to that.

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The "Master of Acceptable Tone"
www.jimcohen.com


chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 28 April 2002 12:02 PM     profile     
quote:
After a few bars, even the best steelers seem to have to "stop and re-group".
What if that was because they noticed that they weren't being musical? I can't help but wonder about the quantity vs quality issues, if I paid a $10 admission and the steel player played 100 notes, then each note cost me 10 cents, but if he played 1000 notes, each cost me a penny and I really got my moneys worth.
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 28 April 2002 02:32 PM     profile     
Well, I didn't say a player had to play a gazillion notes in every song!

Sheesh!

But, when they have the ability, I sure like to see it once in awhile. Sure, a part of being a good musician is knowing what to play, and when to play it. We all start off playing slow, and then we accomplish the speed part after some years of practice...most of us, anyway. Then good ol' "Mother Nature" steps in (with old age), and says "Ah-ah-ah...you can't do that anymore!"

And that's why most of us old guys like the slow stuff. (LOL!)

Rick Collins
Member

From: Claremont , CA USA

posted 28 April 2002 03:57 PM     profile     
quote:
Topic: FASTEST PICKER ???

I'd say that the Latino lettuce pickers in the San Joaquin Valley of California are among the fastest, considering the size of some of those heads of lettuce;___don't know why anyone would want to pick a steel guitar extremely fast.

For my taste, anything ever played extremely fast on a steel guitar would have always sounded much better letting the lead guitarist play it. They can usually do it much faster anyway.

Rick

Frank Parish
Member

From: Nashville,Tn. USA

posted 28 April 2002 04:10 PM     profile     
First guy to play a buzz roll with his picks gets my vote.
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 28 April 2002 05:29 PM     profile     
One thing to remember, the faster you play, the less important tone is! OR, If you are on a trip in an uncomfortable car that goes real fast, at least you won't have to endure the pain very long.
I wish this meant, "If you play real fast , at least you'll get it over quicker," -------But it doesn't. Speed and beauty go together in a lot of things, cars, airplanes,horses, but not really in steel guitar. I'm thankful to be able to play quickly if I have to, but I'd rather not have to. This statement is being made after being a professional player for over 150 years.( well , close).It seems as though the older one gets, the more mature their playing gets,and the less important blazing speed becomes. I have listened to the incredible Buddy Emmons for over 50 years, and this seems to be the pattern of the greatest. Speed gives way to beauty, tone,execution and taste. Speed is more and more of less and less consequense as playing and players mature. This may just be a steel guitar thing, since it is such a beautiful sounding instrument. If I'd have wanted steel guitar to sound like a banjo, I'd be playing banjo now and telling steel guitar jokes, instead of the other way around.
The moral of this story is, if you are going to play fast, try to make it say something, and not just "run around in circles",(banjo, etc.) Doesn't matter how fast you can play, what matters is WHAT YOU PLAY.
I don't see it as a very good compliment when someone says," Boy, you should hear this new kid! He plays faster than anybody!". To me,--How fast he wiggles his fingers has very little to do with how he "wiggles his mind!" My favorite steel players can't play very fast at all!

Bobbe Seymour
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 28 April 2002 05:33 PM     profile     
Back to the subject, Buddy can probibly still kick any butt he wishes to on speed, but he has the "mature taste" not to, (unless he has to!). Yep, I'll vote for him,if accuracy and tone are in the equation.

With respect to one of the greatest,

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 28 April 2002 at 05:34 PM.]

Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 28 April 2002 06:33 PM     profile     
I can certainly relate to what Bobbee says. You're tone is certainly less noticable when you're playing really fast stuff. Another classic by Bobbee...
quote:
If I'd have wanted steel guitar to sound like a banjo, I'd be playing banjo now and telling steel guitar jokes, instead of the other way around.

That's a good one, Bobbee!

By the way, those banjo pickers do tell jokes about us pedal steelers, like..."How can you recognize the pedal steel player in a band? Easy, he's the guy with one arm three inches longer than the other!"

Turnabout is fair play, I guess.

Al Marcus
Member

From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 28 April 2002 06:50 PM     profile     
Let's read that post that Bobbe wrote again. And just think all that advice is Free! .....al
Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 28 April 2002 07:39 PM     profile     
It's important to be able to speedpick when necessary, but the sounds that draw people to the steel guitar are the expressive sounds.

Below is a Quote from Jerry Byrd that pretty much sums this up. This is from Jack Byrd's post in the No-Peddlers section:

quote:
Most players over-play. They leave their heart at home and throw in every lick, every turnaround, every trick they know into every song they play. Don't do that. Play it simply and from the heart. You want your audience to leave feeling enriched by your music. Listen to yourself when you play. Are you saying something, or just playing notes? Don’t compete with other players, be sincere.

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B Cole
unregistered
posted 28 April 2002 08:20 PM           
Well one thing for sure if you gotta play fast you gonna play pretty. I guess I will stick to pretty
J. Lynn Davis
New Member

From: Knoxville, TN, USA

posted 28 April 2002 08:22 PM     profile     
Herby Wallace is definetly my pick! Alot of people can play fast, but not extremely fast and very clean! That is saying alot. He's my pick. Doug J. is right up there!
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 28 April 2002 11:59 PM     profile     
Jerry Byrd is one of the guys I was talking about,along with Jimmy Day,Lloyd Green,Stu Basore,Ron Elliott,these guys are Rolls - Royce players,not Mustang players. Class , quality,not quite as fast maybe, but they are famous for getting the job done and still making everyone gasp in wonderment! This is how I wish to be known (maybe a little thumbstyle thrown in for good measure). Jerry Byrd, WOW! Yes! Forever!


But I'd love ole' Herby if he didn't even play a note! What a guy!

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 29 April 2002 at 12:01 AM.]

Mike Cass
Member

From: Nashville,Tn. U.S.A.

posted 29 April 2002 12:18 AM     profile     
...i was sitting in some guys basement out in Hermitage, listening to him play his steel guitar the other day...& judging from what I heard then & have heard many times before, I believe this argument was over in about 1955 or '56.. ....nuff said
Johan Jansen
Member

From: Europe

posted 29 April 2002 03:26 AM     profile     
Like a comic: fastes shooter in the West.
To me it's important how flexible a steeler is, be able to play every kind of music.
With my knowledge, then I have Paul Franklin on a pedestal.
JJ
Jerry Hayes
Member

From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 29 April 2002 04:50 AM     profile     
I've been turned on to speed pickin' ever since the old Doug Jernigan album with the two chicks in bikinis on the cover. He did Orange Blossom Special. As far as I'm concerned he was the master of it then and remains the king of speed today. I've heard all of the hot players but I still prefer Doug's choice on notes, technique, tone, and everything. I believe Jim Cohen said something like "Lot's of players can play fast but when it comes to a ballad that's where the real players shine" of something like that. I've got an opposite point of view of that too! Lot's of people can't play fast. I've heard a whole lot of people play ballads and such but the thing that really turns on a crowd is a good hoedown or uptempo tune. In that respect Doug is still the king!!

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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney tuning.

[This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 29 April 2002 at 05:08 AM.]

Rusty Hurse
Member

From: Hendesonville, Tn

posted 29 April 2002 05:21 AM     profile     
Like Mike Cass I too have been in that BASEMENT!He is right this argument was over in 55 or 56!You just cant top GRANDADDY!
Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 29 April 2002 05:33 AM     profile     
Hey, Jerry, no fair! My 'argument' was already an opposite to the opposite argument, and then you made the opposite argument to my opposite, which put you back at square one (the opposite). Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it (but the opposite could also be said).
Gene Jones
Member

From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 29 April 2002 07:53 AM     profile     
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[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 06 May 2002 at 04:20 PM.]


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