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Gary Meyer
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From: Sacramento, California, USA

posted 23 May 2004 09:52 PM     profile     
I am a begginer and wondering if there are any good courses around that teach the use of volume pedal or any other suggestions. Thanks!

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Bob Snelgrove
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From: san jose, ca

posted 23 May 2004 10:31 PM     profile     
Use it very discreetly. In fact, practice without it to improve technique. Most new players over do the volume pedal (whomp, whomp, whomp

bob

John Pelz
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From: Maineville, Ohio, USA

posted 23 May 2004 10:32 PM     profile     
Here are some SGForum threads: http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/006483.html http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/004782.html http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/000066.html

These are just a few threads that I found using "volume pedal" as a search-term in only the "Steel Players" section. They looked relevant, altho I only briefly scanned through them; I bet you'll find more helpful threads in other sections as well. I'm a beginner myself, but I think the most beneficial thing to do is just poke around in previous threads, and sit back & read as responses to this thread come in, too! Oh, here's one more thread, though I don't know about that guy who started it... http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/006301.html

C Dixon
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From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 24 May 2004 05:22 AM     profile     
Two distinctly different ways the volume pedal is used:

1. To sustain a decaying note after it is picked. To maintain more or less a constant level throughout.

2. Expression.

Begin with the first one. The second one can get you into "a heap a trouble boy" if over done as has been suggested. Without playing a song, set the volume pedal about half way. Pick any string or strings and try to maintain the same level of sound that you had when you picked the note for as long as you can using the pedal.

Continue to practice this until its as though the string was going to last forever. As you practice this, begin to do the same manuever as you play songs. In time your brain and foot will become subconscious and it will be natural.

Once you develop this and have it where you do not have to think about it, you can begin to use the volume control in an expressive way. That is, you will either pick with NO volume or use the volume control to "express" the music in a dynamic way, IE, louder or softer just as a singer does.

One thing to try to be cognizant of; and that is "pumping" excessively is generally considered not a desirable style. Also, the style of NEVER hearing the picked note can seem artificial in many instances. But then again, there are NO hard rules. Who knows, you may hit on something that will make you a virtuoso.

The suggestion to play with NO volume pedal is a very good idea. Because a volume pedal should never be used to mask bad habits. Playing with no pedal forces you to be more careful and this is good. In fact, some seasoned players will do this just to make sure bad habits have not crept in unoticed.

Also, there is a degree of loudness control within the right hand and bar movement on the left hand. Using no volume pedal once in a while will hone these attributes in a nice way.

Good luck and may Jesus bless you in your quests,

carl

David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 24 May 2004 06:55 AM     profile     
Playing very slow ballads, hymns or Bach chorales is good practice for learning the legato soft attack and sustain thing. Try to sound like an organist in church.
Les Pierce
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From: Goliad, Texas

posted 24 May 2004 05:46 PM     profile     
I practice with the volume pedal in place always, just not always plugged in, (bypassed). This way, I can find out if I am relying on the pedal to cover up poor technique.

Les

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Jonathan Gregg
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From: New York City

posted 25 May 2004 07:39 PM     profile     
The volume pedal was probably the biggest and most unpleasant surprise in my introduction to the steel. I started to tell people I was a steel player who was learning to play the volume pedal. It took me a long time to overcome my tendency to pump it mercilessly, which results in a very annoying quavery sound. When I got nervous at gigs, which was usually, it almost reached tremolo proportions.

One suggestion I followed was to put a small piece of wood at the rear of the base of the pedal, thus keeping it from going down all the way. This will prevent the most extreme fluctuations and will force you to deal with your picking attack, which in the early stages you will want to monitor closely.
As the previous posters have said, anything can become a great style -- it should be voluntary, however, and not the result of a compromise with a spastic ankle.
The other option if you are finding it hard to control is simply removing your foot from the pedal for a while and letting the sound and your nerves shake out a bit.
Practicing unamplified is another way to reduce your volume pedal exposure, but you have to deal with the amp eventually.

Nicholas Dedring
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From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 26 May 2004 06:44 AM     profile     
Try just picking a note at a time, and just concentrating on sustaining it by slowly slowly sweeping through the volume pedal. Slow on the on strokes, quick on the off strokes...

Just spend a few minutes each practice session just trying to create a nice even volume throughout the decay of a picked note... it'll get easier. Just remind yourself it's not a wah, and it's not a bass drum pedal and you'll get the hang of it

Denny Turner
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From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA

posted 26 May 2004 06:45 AM     profile     
I think it imperative to get a volume pedal made for Steel Guitar, ...as most generic volume pedals and those made for other instruments most often don't have a long enough and free enough and smoothe enough travel to be the most effective for their purpose on Steel Guitar.

In addition to all the above great suggestions, ...I have put a soft rubber ball under my volume pedal's foot plate periodically, to apply some resistance that will make me more aware of how I am using the pedal. I am looking for smoothe control for sustain and expression ...and small quick momentary volume reductions to hide pick attack THOUGHTFULLY. The rubber ball will provide pressure feedback to remind a Player how well he or she is doing those techniques AND if they are bouncing the pedal off the ball (too much movement) too often, which will produce more of a poor / distasteful vibrato than good volume pedal effects.

Aloha
Denny T~

Ray Minich
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From: Limestone, New York, USA

posted 26 May 2004 03:58 PM     profile     
"pumping" excessively also keeps the potentiometer and potstring/cord makers in business...
(scratcha...scratcha...scratch...)

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 May 2004 at 03:58 PM.]

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 May 2004 at 03:59 PM.]

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