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Mike Perlowin
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From: Los Angeles CA

posted 24 November 2005 07:27 AM     profile     
First, we just found out that the person who made the original transfer from tape to DVD did so at the slow speed, with a subsequent drop in picture quality. So we have to start all over from scratch. This means a delay before the DVDs will be available. I don't know how long.

During the concerts, there was a lot of time in between the songs, with Curly talking, smoking, tuning etc. Some people have said they would prefer to have this non-musical material included. To do so would mean that instead of one DVD, the 2 hours of actual playing would be spread out over 2 or 3 disks.

Personally, I am not interested in watching Curly tune, and would rather have all the musical material on one disk, with the extranious stuff edited out.

Would you prefer a single edited disk with just the music?, or a 2 or 3 disk set of the unedited concerts with all the extranious matrerial between the songs included? or both?

If there is enough interest we can do both edited and unedited versions.

Jay Fagerlie
Member

From: Lotus, California, USA

posted 24 November 2005 07:35 AM     profile     
I say keep it all Mike.
I for one would like to see everything.

Can't wait.....

Jay

John McGann
Member

From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 24 November 2005 07:36 AM     profile     
Hi Mike- The music would be viewed many times over, the extra stuff and talking would be neat to have on an extra disc away from the actual performances- maybe it could be offered as an optional 2nd disc for those who'd pay extra for it?

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Brad Sarno
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From: St. Louis, MO USA

posted 24 November 2005 09:06 AM     profile     
I think it's cool to have the non musical stuff too. It makes it more personal. As long as you can skip to the next scene or chapter with the remote control to skip to the next song, I think it would be cool to have it all. I also can't wait.

Brad

Al Marcus
Member

From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 24 November 2005 09:21 AM     profile     
Mike-I would want and pay for the whole thing. It would give a more personal feeling of it.......al

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Larry Weaver
Member

From: Asheville, North Carolina, USA

posted 24 November 2005 09:58 AM     profile     
Add me to the list voting to keep it all. I agree that it would be great to keep non music stuff as an extra disc though.

Yep, I'll be buying one.

regards,
-Larry W

Craig A Davidson
Member

From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA

posted 24 November 2005 09:59 AM     profile     
Keep it all and how much?
Edward Efira
Member

From: Los Altos Hills, California, USA

posted 24 November 2005 10:14 AM     profile     
Hi Mike,
pleasr keep it all and write me down for a copy (can hardly wait)
Ed
Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 24 November 2005 10:17 AM     profile     
Don't ask, Mike. Make it the way you want it.
Bob Watson
Member

From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.

posted 24 November 2005 10:32 AM     profile     
Mike, put me in the "put it all in there" category, that's what the remote is for. I really appreciate your effort and definately put me down for one regardless of the format you end up using.

[This message was edited by Bob Watson on 24 November 2005 at 02:01 PM.]

Chris Bauer
Member

From: Nashville, TN USA

posted 24 November 2005 10:55 AM     profile     
Though I'd be for the music only, I'm absolutely with Bobby Lee on this.
Stephan Miller
Member

From: Silver Spring, Maryland, USA

posted 24 November 2005 11:03 AM     profile     
Mike-- I'll buy it no matter what! But since you asked...I'd start each track with a tune and put the in-between stuff at the end of the track. That would keep continuity but give people the option to move ahead if they like.
Charles Davidson
Member

From: Alabama, USA

posted 24 November 2005 11:10 AM     profile     
I bought the V.H.S. years ago when I saw it in S.G.M.,I put it on a D.V.D.myself.If any one of you have not seen this vidio,you don't know what you are missing.Not only is Curly GREAT,GREAT,GREAT !!!!!! But the three piece back up band is also.I have a lot of vidio by some of the greats such as the Big E,Herby,Hal,etc.etc,But I never get tired of watching this one by Curly.BUY IT you won't be sorry. P.S,Bobbe and M.Andersons Super Slide D.V.D. is great to.
Drew Howard
Member

From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.

posted 24 November 2005 12:52 PM     profile     
IMHO music only. But, as has been said, it's your call, Mike. I can't wait to buy my copy!

Drew

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[This message was edited by Drew Howard on 24 November 2005 at 03:47 PM.]

Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 24 November 2005 12:56 PM     profile     
The transfer from tape to DVD is scheuled to take place next wednesday, so we have several days to decide.

It seems that the thing to do would be to make both edited and unedited versions. But let me point out several things.

1- The unedted version would have to be spread over 4 disks, making it all more expensive.

2- A lot of the unedited material is just plain boring. Curly tuning, smoking, drinking etc. Some of what he says to the audience is interesting, but most of it is things like "Here is a song I learned from Jerry Byrd."

3- At the St Louis portion of the show, at one point, people from the audience got up and sang,with Curly backing them up. Trust me on this one- this material is best left to die in obscurity.

4-(and this is really sad,) at one point Wade Ray did a half hour set. However wonderful Ray had been in the past, by 1986, when these were made, he had really lost it and was only a shadow of his former self.

Those of you who remember him in his prime will find it difficult to see how far he fell, and those who are unfamiliar with him will just be turned off by his mediocre performance.

Be all that as it may, There's no reason (other than cost) why I can't make a single disk of the edited material and a boxed set of the unedted material.

I REALLY feel that one disk of the edited material is the way to go, but I will make the boxed set up if enough people say they want it.

[This message was edited by Mike Perlowin on 24 November 2005 at 12:57 PM.]

Bob Watson
Member

From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.

posted 24 November 2005 02:15 PM     profile     
Mike, after reading your second reply, I think that the edited version would be the way to go. It sounds as if there are too few interesting stories and anecdotes in the unedited version. If you are going to package it with some pics and song lists, maybe you could put some of those stories or anecdotes in the "liner notes", if it is cost effective to do so. I am sure whatever you decide on will be great. Again, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

[This message was edited by Bob Watson on 24 November 2005 at 02:17 PM.]

Charles Davidson
Member

From: Alabama, USA

posted 24 November 2005 04:42 PM     profile     
I know I'm repeating myself,but guys this vidio is great,I think Jim Bob Sedgwick is playing bass,a good drummer,and a phenomenal guitar player,there is no over producing here such as back ground vocals,strings, or keyboards to get in the way of Curlys playing.just bare bone,hard to the core genious of Curly.You can tell he was playing what he wanted to instead of what some producer was telling him to.
Charles Curtis
Member

From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA

posted 24 November 2005 06:07 PM     profile     
I'd like it all; I never had the pleasure of meeting Curly but I just idolize the guy. I remember the first time, years ago, that I heard him do "The Race is On", on the radio and I couldn't wait to go buy a copy. Maybe if Curly hadn't smoked he might still be around today; I just hope that more videos are made of the heavyweights so future fans have more to choose from.
tom anderson
Member

From: leawood, ks., usa

posted 24 November 2005 06:29 PM     profile     
Edit out the non musical stuff.
Charles Dempsey
Member

From: The Cradle of the Stars.

posted 24 November 2005 06:53 PM     profile     
Keep the whole thing. The tuning, talking, smoking and all.

I've done some editing myself. It's tempting to go note to note with no banter, and maybe that's best if you're going for sales. If it's history we're talking about then I want every breath.

Charlie

Bobby Boggs
Member

From: Pendleton SC

posted 24 November 2005 06:57 PM     profile     
Maybe just save the best of the non musical stuff? Just enough to let those who never met him, get some idea of Curly's personality?? As for the Wade Ray stuff? Not sure I would include it out of respect. Just my thoughts. Best of luck with your project........bb
Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 24 November 2005 07:02 PM     profile     
Clearly there are some people who want the edited version and some who want it all. So it appears I'm going to have to do both.

The unedited stuff will be a 3 or 4 disk boxed set. Probably 4.

I'll keep you all informed as to the progress of the project. Right now, as I mentioned, we have to start again from scratch.

[This message was edited by Mike Perlowin on 24 November 2005 at 07:04 PM.]

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 24 November 2005 08:53 PM     profile     
Edit out all the non musical junk. Just the real Curly playing please.
Bob Martin
Member

From: Madison Tn

posted 24 November 2005 09:09 PM     profile     
Hi Mike, I would love to have a copy of the whole schebang but if you decide to package just the music I will definitly take that too.

Bob

Jim Bob Sedgwick
Member

From: Clinton, Missouri USA

posted 24 November 2005 09:15 PM     profile     
Thanks to Charles Davidson for the Kudos. Just a warning guys... Unless Mike can do something about the sound quality of the California Country Club segment, the sound quality to put it mildly is not the best. We did have a blast working with Curley. Some of the bass charts were hairy to say the least. I think I only got really lost once. My buddy Johnny Davis made quite a comment on the tape. It was still fun though. It was the only time I was able to work with Curley. (edited for spelling)

[This message was edited by Jim Bob Sedgwick on 24 November 2005 at 10:05 PM.]

David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 24 November 2005 09:34 PM     profile     
Having a drink and a smoke...
be it Curley or Joe Smerd,
is about as interesting to see on video as paint drying.

I certainly do NOT want to pay for that...
Even if it gives a fractional idea more about his personality.

But all of the talking, joking, anecdotes etc,
and maybe SOME of the tuning would be very interesting.

This would be much more pertanent personal info about him.

What comes out of his mouth is a lot more interesting
than what goes in between songs...

So decide ; "cinema" verete or the meat of the matter ;
Curley Chalker and his music.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 24 November 2005 at 09:36 PM.]

Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 25 November 2005 01:33 AM     profile     
quote:
Unless Mike can do something about the sound quality...

I don't see how it would be possible to improve the sound quality, but a recording and video engineer has volunteered to attempt to do so.

Remember golks, these concerts were recorded on home videocams by amateurs who didn't know what tney were doing. Technically, the recordings are poor at best. But it's the only video record of Curly in concert that exists. And whatever technical problems there are with the picture and sound quality, are more than made up for by the quality of Curly's playing.

The edited disk will contain 2 hours of non-stop music.

William J Maynard
Member

From: DePere, Wisconsin, USA

posted 25 November 2005 05:30 AM     profile     
Mike:

I am for keeping everything in the DVD about Curly Chalker. He is a legend and we need to keep everything he had done before in keeping that legend alive in our minds. There won't ever be another like him.

Bill Maynard

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 25 November 2005 07:53 AM     profile     
The "ONLY" concert video of him??? That is really just too sad.

Was he recorded/video taped at the SGC ever??

Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 25 November 2005 07:55 AM     profile     
Mike,
Put me down for whatever you come up with. I had the pleasure of seeing and hearing Curly live in Minneapolis at a VFW on east Lake Street. I believe Clem Schmidt brought him to town and what a player!
Erv
Fred Shannon
Member

From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 25 November 2005 09:12 AM     profile     
Mike i trust your judgement. Just be sure my name's on the list for whatever you choose. Tremendous effort on your part.
Phred
Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 25 November 2005 09:35 AM     profile     
quote:
Was he recorded/video taped at the SGC ever??

Approxamately a thoird of the video consists of a material from cbocert Curly did in St Louis with the usual SHG staff band., Bobby Caldwell, Russ Wever and Jimmy Quenn. But it was actually held in december, at Scotty's Christmans party.

If there is existing SGC footage, I'm unaware of it.

Personally I feel that this video really captures all that Curly had to offer, and more is not necessary. (Rememeber the edited version is 2 hours of non-stop music.)

Marco Schouten
Member

From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands

posted 25 November 2005 10:05 AM     profile     
Make a box that contains the edited and unedited material.

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David Coplin
Member

From: Eugene, Oregon, USA

posted 25 November 2005 10:29 AM     profile     
Mike,

I will also leave it up to you to decide about the extra stuff between songs. What ever produces the best of Curls. Count me in for a copy of what ever you come up with.

Dave Coplin

Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 25 November 2005 10:43 AM     profile     
I need to point out that although I'm involved with the production of the DVD, Bobby and Scotty (and perhaps a few other steel guitar retailers) will be handling the actual sales.

I'm thinking along the lines of one disk of just the music, and one of just Curly's comments to the audience, but with the dead time (tuning, cigarette breaks etc) edited out.

What do you guys think of that option?

Fred Shannon
Member

From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 25 November 2005 12:00 PM     profile     
That option sounds great to me Mike.
Phred
Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 25 November 2005 12:16 PM     profile     
Can we assume that since these are NOT pro quality in video and sound quality that the price of the DVD will reflect that. Any idea of price yet?
Bill Ferguson
Member

From: Norcross, GA USA

posted 25 November 2005 12:28 PM     profile     
Well let me say that after years of handling the video in St Louis, I much prefer to watch an entire video. Heck, a lot of the time what goes on between songs is better than the music itself. If you just want the music, a CD or tape would be fine.
Bill Ferguson
Ernie Pollock
Member

From: Mt Savage, Md USA

posted 25 November 2005 01:03 PM     profile     
Mike: I think both kinds would be best, as for me, I could skip the smoking & tuning part, but for some who were closer to Curly they could appreciate that part as some of us would not. Be glad to know when you get the edited edition complete.

Ernie Pollock http://www.hereintown.net/~shobud75/stock.htm

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Mark Vinbury
Member

From: N. Kingstown, Rhode Island, USA

posted 25 November 2005 03:02 PM     profile     
Mike--I'd like to see it along the lines of Bobbe Seymour's SuperSlide DVD.
It was edited but interesting parts of the between songs discussion was left in. Stuff that related to the music,queing the band about the key,chord changes,rhythm pattern and the occasional story or bit of history.

[This message was edited by Mark Vinbury on 25 November 2005 at 03:02 PM.]


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