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just immagine Buddy walking thru the door at your gig and start laughin his tail of ...

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I still try to convince myself that this was due to the depth of emotion that I'd injected into my playing, but I'm not really sure....

Hopefully, this incident didn't even register in Buddy's mind, but I'll never forget it! Anyway, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right?

RR

[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 12 June 2006 at 11:23 AM.]

I would cut the steeler some slack.

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Historically the folks who come in and want to sing on Broadway are not alone, they are with a small group or with family members.
For the most part they probably all think the person doing the singing CAN sing...

I've seen Jimmy Snyder handle this issuereal well over at Tootsies, one time a fella got up and was singing, way off mind ya, Jimmy started to sing with him until the song was over. At the end of the song he just said "Lets have a big hand for xxx"...Quite an appropriate way to handle the issue.

The part about the laughing player is in a way troubling, I suspect more people in attendance noticed the laughing Musician before the poor singing guest.

Like Bob above, I have done things which were pretty shamefull and although it probably appeared funny at the time, today, it does not.

As a musician, I am in no position to laugh at anyone, especially a singer !

Many months back, and I mentioned it here on the Forum, I sat in on Steel at one of the Broadway clubs.The Steel was configured different than mine. Now I am not a stranger to sitting in with bands, with my gear, or on a Telecaster, but never had I done THIS on a foreign Steel.

and never will I do it again !

If ever there was a time for laughter, that was it....

very humbling to say the least...

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 12 June 2006 at 12:23 PM.]

Say this guy was a fireman for a living. I wonder what he'd say if I showed up at the firehall unannounced, wanting to try on a suit and shoot the water hose. I know what he'd say: "Get out, you freak." But musicians aren't allowed to say that because we have to be nice and friendly no matter how much bull is being thrown at us.

Unless they're professionals or at least competent, people should not sit in with a band - especially on vocals.

This weekend on a gig, a young guy with a tenor voice asks me if we play "Ring of Fire" and then tells me what a killer Johnny Cash impression he did. Well, I asked for a sample and he obliged, with me all the while giggling in his face. At least I had the balls to laugh in his face.

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and have no time for people who invade my space to impress their friends and family

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Say this guy was a fireman for a living.

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if he was (and may very well be) his job is not to entertain you

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Clubs, concerts and festivals pay me and my bands to entertain an audience. And we do that job with passion and professionalism. I am not paid to entertain somebody's personal agenda to use our stage as a platform for their erroneous notions of talent. That's a job for security.

Unless it's open mic or something of that nature, the band should be able to do their job without the hassle of an audience member's desire to be on the stage for no particular rational reason. In fact, I think it's an insult to the audience at large to subject them to a bad performance. They pay to see a professional act. American Idol is to blame for the wave of people we see lately who think singing is easy, and the music business in general is easy. It's annoying to spend years cultivating a career in music only to have jokers wanting to invade your workspace. It may be rude to laugh at someone, but it's more rude to assume that you can somehow add to the show with your self-proclaimed hidden talent.

Do people jump up in the middle of a play and want to act? Do bad artists show up at galleries wanting their paintings hung on the walls? I stopped being polite to these kinds of people a long time ago. Everyone should stick to what they do best. Everone's good at something. I suck at almost everything besides music. That's why I let someone else fix my car, do my taxes, sew my clothes, fix my electronics, etc.

When an audience member walked on stage one time at a Who concert, he got Pete's SG on his head. There's a barrier there that should be respected. I don't want strangers on stage tripping over cables and leaning into my expensive equipment. I'm sure the guy at the club there on Broadway was given permission to get up (probably after bugging the band for an hour), but he should have known better unless he could deliver something worthwhile to the audience.

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*See my post below for the hindsight view of this overblown post.

[This message was edited by Chris LeDrew on 12 June 2006 at 03:27 PM.]

Unless I missed something, you didn't bother to explain the situation. If we knew what the deal was, maybe it would make more sense to all of us readers, and it might elicit much different responses to the original post.

YOU ARE 100% RIGHT,IN EVERYTHING YOU SAID

hope this helps,

Db

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Was it a portion of the evening where there was an "open mike?

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on the lower broadway,specialy on slow nites like Sunday nite, it is a common practice to let the turists sing a song or two

as far as I could see,the gentleman was not drunk nor abusive,he looked confused and lost and I felt sorry for him.He was not your "drunk agresive wanna be pushing his way to the stage" typ of person.His wife was there trying to take a picture of him singing.When asked to step of the stage he did without a word.Singer that was with the band was not much better if you ask me,planty of laughs could be directed to the band itself, I didn`t see anyone else in the band laughin tho.To my standards this was a low quality ,quickly put together,no rehearsed tipical Nashville lower Broadway typ a band, no "The Players" or "The Who" by any means.No reasons for any big ego`s here what so ever.

Db

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[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 12 June 2006 at 02:59 PM.]

they ask, they are invited or it ain't happening.

It is possible the fella was just way over is head and couldn't get with the program.

I wasn't there so what do I know..
But when I was there, and I fumbled, I felt the pain personally, even though my gracious wife told me that it sounded like I was playing safe, not bad, but very safe.

I was wishing I was playing "IN A SAFE"....I was playing a Steel that I just couldn't find my way around...

Things happen, even to folks who think things can't happen to them...

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 12 June 2006 at 03:04 PM.]

But every one could have had a good laugh at me last week, like I stated in a Crash and Burn thread the other day I totaly lost an instrumental and was wanting to hide under my pac-a-seat, a "good Natured" laugh I could have handled and would have probably welcomed, but could have lost it if some "Rude" person had given me a hard time! lol..

The job pays the same and doesn't cost any extra to try and be nice. JMO!

Larry
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[This message was edited by Larry Strawn on 12 June 2006 at 03:14 PM.]

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[This message was edited by Larry Robbins on 13 June 2006 at 11:09 AM.]

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Up in my neck of the woods it's a bit like Night of The Zombie in the clubs we play..........ya gotta watch 'em or they'll overrun ya!

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We usuually don't allow people we don't know to sit in unless it is an "open mike" night for all of the above stated reasons. I usually in a polite way refer them to the Kareoke nights. If it is an "open mike" and they've got the "urge" well come on, I'll laugh and have some fun with ya! lol..
[I do have agreements with the club owners, or managers that I don't have to let some sloppy falling down "drunk" on the bandstand with all our gear and equipment, cause that just aint gonna happen!

When we do bring some one up on the bandstand I honestly try to do my very best no matter what.

Like I said, in my opinion it doesn't cost any extra to try and be nice!

Larry

[This message was edited by Larry Strawn on 12 June 2006 at 05:22 PM.]

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Most of the crowd doesn't relate to the bad music as being the "NEW" person on stage only that "These guys suck!

Now I'm not unfamiliar with wingin' it, but very seldom do I get up with a band...I don't want to interrupt the flow that they have going..UUUH, what song,, er what key,etc.