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Topic: Tunin' and Slantin'
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Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 17 August 2003 01:20 PM
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I have "spewed" some charts, tunin' info., etc ... here on the forum for a couple years.I just "assembled" it all into a downloadable document and put it on my site. The Store If you are interested .... Click on Tunin' and Slantin" ... its a WordPad document ... I couldn't figure out how to get it all to "line up" on my website program  ------------------
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Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Austin, Texas
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posted 17 August 2003 02:36 PM
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MY GOSH man> Rick you are soooo cool my friend.....>this is a HUGE amount of information and learning material.....Everyone should Print this BOOK out and have it forever....It's soo Perfect....
Who are you??Where did you come from?? and how come you are such a wonderful person to do this???>Your a needle in the haystack my brother> and now I don't have to teach anyone ever again....I'll just hand them your BOOK and Now they'll know everything ......God love ya.
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Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 17 August 2003 04:16 PM
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Just figured I'd consolidate from my posts/replys to these threads ... Slant Charts Slanting in JI Tune Any Tuning JI C6 Modal Theory Just stuff I wrote out years ago when I was learnin' ... still am of course !!! Thanks  [This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 17 August 2003 at 04:18 PM.]
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Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 17 August 2003 07:09 PM
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Great stuff, Rick!Thanks a million!  |
Tim Whitlock
Member From: Arvada, CO, USA
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posted 18 August 2003 06:52 AM
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Rick -This looks like some very useful information. I can't wait to get home to delve into it. My thanks also for your generous contribution to the knowledge pool! Say, that Lollar on your webpage is a beauty! I looked at their website and didn't find any steels. Did they custom build that for you? Please tells us about this guitar. Thanks!
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Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 18 August 2003 07:44 AM
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THANKS A MIL Rick.Iza also still waitin for any new info on the Electrotone!  Heck, the picture alone is begging to be plugged in! Aloha,
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Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 18 August 2003 07:49 AM
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Thanks Rick, this is one of my favorite subjects to review. Ricky Davis, I was curious which note if any, do you tune straight EI, and then go from there? A number of pro steel players approach this first note differently. Bobby Lee, I have been using your quick and dirty method and have noted recently you posted that your tuning your 3rd and 6th -10 cents from EI, where as before you were only using -5 cents? What made you change the cents? Thanks... |
Scott Houston
Member From: Oakland, CA
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posted 18 August 2003 07:58 AM
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Thanks for all the great study material, Rick. Very kind of you to assemble this.fyi, the WordPad doc opens without any hassle in Apple TextEdit. |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 18 August 2003 08:25 AM
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Tim, he built "The Electrotone" so he had somethin' at guitar shows to showcase the horseshoe magnet pickups with.I know he plans to put it in "production" but I don't know when ... he's been "swamped" this summer As far as "reference" strings for tunin' C6 JI ... If you utilize the open E string alot (hammer-ons, pull-offs) ... then having it ET will sound the best. In fact, JB seems to really like "playing under the E" alot ... using it open while playin' chords and long passages. Personally, I don't play much open E string ... so I keep the C at about +5 to +10 cents ... then all the strings are in the neighborhood of my ET buddies. Its a "Compromising Position".  Scott, thanks ALOT ... I thought of the Apple/Mac users and was worried [This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 18 August 2003 at 08:55 AM.] |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 18 August 2003 08:58 AM
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Cool, that makes perfect sense and answers yet another question I had. Do you think that tuning The E string to EI will throw retuning to other tunings on the same instrument off with the EI tuned instruments? Rick, I see you deleted that answer from your last post but I think that is a very interesting concept to consider. Thanks... [This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 18 August 2003 at 09:08 AM.] |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 18 August 2003 12:35 PM
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Yeah ... the open E "thang" was the strongest argument for tunin' the E straight up.Having the E straight up is fine for E based tunin's (where E is the root) and A based tunin's (where E is the 5th) .... but then your C6 tunin' will be sharp.  Having a JI tuned E string for C6 will put that G# in E tunin's and C# in A tunin's pretty flat. A "combo" tunin' like C6/A7 calls for E's that are not as flat as in the standard C6 ... cause of that C#. So if you flip-flop between tunin's ... I guess its best to tweak up the E for the E and A based tunin's ... and tweak it back down for the C6. I use the "Compromising Position" on both the C6/A7 neck and JB E9 neck ... always having the root about +5 to +10 cents (sharp). Just my opinions ...[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 18 August 2003 at 03:09 PM.] |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 19 August 2003 02:02 PM
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I just added a detailed explaination of my slant charts to the file.
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John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 19 August 2003 03:06 PM
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Here's a thought about tuning the E-tuning and C tuning that may avoid any further arguements! Tune your E9 neck to Root E-440Hz, and tune the other neck to Am7, Root A-440Hz. If you want to call it C6, then we know you're tuning Root C-440Hz., And if you call it Am7, then we know you tune the Root A-440Hz. Just change the name of the tuning and who's to say you're wrong? When it comes to the C-Diatonic tuning, you may have a slight problem! Decisions-desicions!
You can tune your E-neck to Root E-440Hz., and lower your C-neck to B, Root 440Hz. And eliminate the problem pretty much! E & B are related tunings. E & C are not! E & A are related tunings. C & G are related tunings! A & F# are not related tunings! Decisions-decisions! ------------------
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Chuck Fisher
Member From: Santa Cruz, California, USA
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posted 22 August 2003 07:31 PM
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Rick, and everybody,I just want to say I have neen lurking reading this forum for about a year, and I absolutely love and appreciate the charts ( a lotta work ) and all the theory talk. While I grock theory, my steel experience is recent only and you guys have really accelerated things. It would be neat if there was a slant chart program you could use on any tuning, but a lot of the C6 stuff translates to E13 and E or D whick are my favorites. I hope to dabble in C6 and see if I like it soon. Again thanks,
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Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 22 August 2003 07:47 PM
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Its not exactly a "slant program" ... but this is about as close as it gets ...Chord House You just "dial in" the tunin' you are lookin' for with the +/- (6 string only) and then hit .. say a A chord combined with the A major scale ... and it "spits" out a full number chart (or note chart). Then just go huntin' for your intervals (1-3, 3-5, 1-6 etc.)and chords (1-3-5, 2-4-6, 3-5-7, etc.) and there you go. Wish it had been around in the early 80's ... Thanks for the kind words. ------------------
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