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Mike Meese
Member

From: Dover, Ohio, The United States of America

posted 12 May 2001 09:23 AM     profile     
The third song on Tim McGraw's latest CD has an intro by Paul Franklin that is just unbelievable. Has anyone heard it?? How does he do that!??
RC Antolina
Member

From: Newnan, Georgia, USA

posted 12 May 2001 10:20 AM     profile     
very well!!!
Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 12 May 2001 11:15 AM     profile     
What's the name of the song?

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 12 May 2001 at 11:17 AM.]

Mike Meese
Member

From: Dover, Ohio, The United States of America

posted 12 May 2001 03:47 PM     profile     
Jeff,

The name of the song is You Get Used To Somebody. I don't particularly care for the song... but the intro is awesome.

GaryL
Member

From: Medina, OH USA

posted 12 May 2001 05:53 PM     profile     
Thanks Mike, I'll have to pick up the CD this weekend. BTW, hope to hear you in Bolivar in June.
Mike Weirauch
Member

From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe

posted 12 May 2001 07:07 PM     profile     
I'm not a McGraw fan but I will listen to a good Franklin turn around on anyone's record.

[This message was edited by b0b on 13 May 2001 at 10:10 AM.]

Fred Murphy
Member

From: Indianapolis, In. USA

posted 12 May 2001 08:12 PM     profile     
Like I always said, the singer is just there to lead up to the steel part, and try not to be too irritating along the way. Of course there are a few exceptions.

[This message was edited by Fred Murphy on 12 May 2001 at 08:12 PM.]

Mike Meese
Member

From: Dover, Ohio, The United States of America

posted 13 May 2001 08:30 AM     profile     
c'mon guys.. let's be nice

click here for a mp3 sample of the intro only.


Mike

Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 13 May 2001 08:40 AM     profile     
Thanks for the MP3 intro file. I didn't hear much steel, just a couple of chords - mostly keyboard?????
Mike Meese
Member

From: Dover, Ohio, The United States of America

posted 13 May 2001 08:50 AM     profile     
I believe you're right, Jack. That does sound like a keyboard in there too.
Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 13 May 2001 08:52 AM     profile     
I don't have my steel out, but it sounds to me like he has the A,B, pedals engaged, and then lets off the B pedal and then somehow drops the 6th string to the note you normally get on the 8th string. Then it goes back to the 6th string note with the B pedal, lets off the A and B pedals, and drops to the 8th string note again. Someone posted recented that PF had added a TWO full-tone pull to his pedal repertoire. I guess this is it.

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 13 May 2001 at 08:59 AM.]

Johan Jansen
Member

From: Europe

posted 13 May 2001 09:10 AM     profile     
To me it sounds like he ends this intro with the famous (4th) PF pedal. Paul, am I right? JJ

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Mike Meese
Member

From: Dover, Ohio, The United States of America

posted 13 May 2001 09:50 AM     profile     
He's lowering a Bb to an F while sustaining the D note on top... that's more than 2 full steps. Maybe a bar slant also?? Paul?????
Steven Welborn
Member

From: Ojai,CA USA

posted 13 May 2001 10:07 AM     profile     
mike, if add up releasing B pedal along with lowering the double wholestep lower, you get a 2 and 1/2 step lower.
Bobby Boggs
Member

From: Pendleton SC

posted 13 May 2001 07:47 PM     profile     
I can't get the MP3 to work.But I do know Paul lowers his 6th string ( G# to E). Hope this helps>----------bb
Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 14 May 2001 09:35 AM     profile     
Jon Light sent me an email explaining how it's possible at the 11th fret. Paul's LKV raises his 6th string G# to B. Pick strings 2 and 6:

LKV --> p4 --> LKV --> LKV(half)? --> p4

That 4th note (A) is the big trick here. Releasing the vertical to that position is superhuman, IMHO. Maybe he slides back to the 10th fret and raises his second string to get that note. I don't hear no slide in there, though.

Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 14 May 2001 09:59 AM     profile     
Nope. Can't see it. The initial notes are classic A,B stuff. If he isn't dropping two whole-tones, then I guess he's just a magician. Come to think of it, he's a magician anyway.
Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 14 May 2001 02:01 PM     profile     
Using the published Franklin setup, this will yield the correct notes.
Feasible? Yes. Plausible, I dunno.

----the LL on 5th and 6th string is the 'Franklin' pedal,
----the V is a 3 half-step raise,
----L on 2nd string is a one half-step lower

Universal players, you can substitute he pedal that raises 5&6 a whole step and slant the bar.


When all is said and done, most important is-- that's some pretty playing.



1-----------------------|--------------|--------------------|
2---~~11~~~~11~~~~~11---|---10L~~~6----|--------------------|
3-----------------------|--------------|--------------------|
4-----------------------|--------------|----6~~~~6~~~~6~~~--|
5-----------------------|--------------|----6A---6----6LL---|
6---~~11V~~~11LL~~~11V--|---10V~~~6V---|--------------------|
7-----------------------|--------------|--------------------|
8-----------------------|--------------|--------------------|
Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 14 May 2001 04:13 PM     profile     
It is beautiful, that's for sure. He makes that one long note sound so sad.
ToneJunkie
Member

From: Columbia, MD, USA

posted 14 May 2001 08:44 PM     profile     
Flame suit ready.

I'm gonna suggest the unpopular possibility and probably risk forumicide... I think it's two tracks. The first phrase has that one note dropping a perfect fourth (that's 5 half steps folks! and it sounds like the bar to me) while the rest of it, the upper first and the third vibrato there nicely an octave higher. Now there are two suspicious brief pauses in the vibrato only during the downward and upward modulation between the low root note and the perfect fourth beneath it that lead me to believe that it could possibly have been played at one go. But I'm listening on my crappy computer speakers and it hits my ears like two parts.

Regardless, it's an elegant and beautiful piece of composition. And if it's not two tracks it's just plain amazing.

Cheers

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Ricky Davis
Moderator

From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 14 May 2001 08:55 PM     profile     
Well if Mr. Boggs knows for sure(somehow)that Paul is lowering that G# note to E; then that's how he is doing it for sure. First chord is a Bb pedals a and b down on 13th fret; then releasing the B pedal and hitting that magical change that is lowering it two whole tones.
By the copedant listed above and if Paul recorded with that exact copedant; then the same notes can be had by the way Mr. Light suggest.
But I hear Paul even squeezing in the "a" pedal just a bit on that first Bb chord on 13th fret; so I would be inclined to believe he is using the magical change>"wow that's a big drop"
Also after reading this entire thread just after I started writing this; I noticed Jeff Lampert splashed in with his ear. I'll tell ya; I haven't met a better ear than that Jeff Lampert. He hears things I only wish I could hear; and now after reading his post; I'm for sure Paul did it the way Jeff said.
Ricky
Bobby Boggs
Member

From: Pendleton SC

posted 14 May 2001 09:22 PM     profile     
I still can't hear the song.But Paul was using the (G# to E) change last year.He used it on the last AJ CD.A Franklin maybe the only PSG that will make this change.I do know you can't do it on a Emmons or Derby unless you trick it out.--------bb
Bobby Boggs
Member

From: Pendleton SC

posted 14 May 2001 09:42 PM     profile     
I just remembered,I put this change on a Carter,but sold it the next day.The new owner didn't want it so I took it off.Didn't get a chance to really test it out.BTW we discussed this change last Dec. or Jan.It started on Bar Chatter I think.Something about Alan Jackson's new CD.--------------bb

[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 14 May 2001 at 09:47 PM.]

Franklin
Member

From:

posted 15 May 2001 05:28 AM     profile     
As usual, Mr.Boggs is right. My left vertical lever now lowers the 6th string G# to E. I couldn't access Mike's sound file with my system and don't remember what I played on that record. We recorded that CD last year.
Glad you like it. The new Strait record when it comes out in a few months from now will have a solo utilizing this change. I used it in a very complex way on a recut of Haggard's "Life is Grand". That pedal really twists the heart strings. It's my favorite change at the moment.
Paul
Bobby Boggs
Member

From: Pendleton SC

posted 15 May 2001 06:58 AM     profile     
I'm glad to know I'm right,also glad to know that I'm not the only one who can not access MP3's.Now I have something in common with Paul.But (ya'll) lose the Mr. Boggs thing.Ya making me feel 40 years old. ----------bb
Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 15 May 2001 08:35 AM     profile     
Thanks much, Paul.
Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 15 May 2001 08:55 AM     profile     
I've updated the online chart to reflect this change. I guess the lick is played on strings 5 and 6 at the 13th fret then, like this:

p1+p2 --> p1+LKV --> p1+p2 --> no pedals --> LKV

Did I finally get it right?

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David Pennybaker
Member

From: Conroe, TX USA

posted 15 May 2001 10:22 AM     profile     
quote:
That pedal really twists the heart strings.

That's got to be the understatement of the year, based on that intro MP3 (thanks, Mike, for making that available).

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C Dixon
Member

From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 15 May 2001 12:02 PM     profile     
A great steel guitar player once said on this forurm,

"Jimmy Crawford has raised and lowered EVERY string on his PSG (at one time or another), to its mechanical limit"

From what PF has told us, I predict it may not be to far in the distant future, that most players will be doing the same.

2 whole tone lower on the 6th string!! WOW!!

"Mama, put on another pot a coffee, I will be up all night trying to figure out how I can add that change to my guitar!! "

Wow!! whoood uv evah thunk it?!!

God bless Paul and all of you,

carl

Johan Jansen
Member

From: Europe

posted 15 May 2001 03:34 PM     profile     
I'm just used to use this LKV for G#-B, now it goes the other way round, &*^&*
OK! Paul, way to go!
JJ

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[This message was edited by Johan Jansen on 15 May 2001 at 03:34 PM.]

Steven Welborn
Member

From: Ojai,CA USA

posted 15 May 2001 08:20 PM     profile     
Hey Paul, so do you use a split tune or feel stops to get any notes in between that double whole tone drop? i noticed you have no other lowers on that string. gosh... i wish you could do this on a p/p. no way. thanx
Ricky Davis
Moderator

From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 15 May 2001 09:19 PM     profile     
Well if we are talking about who is "right" on this one that would be Jeff Lampert. He had the lick "not guessed" but exactly right from listening to it> right off the bat and the first post that said it. So Jeff wins the golden "ear" award of the year in my book>
Like I said before; there is no better ear for figuring out "exactly" what someone is playing than that Jeff guy. Man he just amazes me every time.
So from now on; the posts should read> "Hey Jeff Lampert; how is that steel player playing this???"
Ricky
Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 15 May 2001 09:49 PM     profile     
Hey, thanks alot Ricky.
Dan Tyack
Member

From: Seattle, WA USA

posted 15 May 2001 10:58 PM     profile     
Just don't try doing that change on your Emmons PP.

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Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 16 May 2001 12:12 AM     profile     
Steve, Paul lowers his 6th string to F# on pedal 4.
Steven Welborn
Member

From: Ojai,CA USA

posted 16 May 2001 09:11 AM     profile     
ohhh...that,s right..thanks b0b.
David Mullis
Member

From: Rock Hill, SC

posted 16 May 2001 09:35 AM     profile     
pretty cool change I may have to hang onto the old ShoBud and try that change on it. I don't think the Emmons will handle it, if it will, it probably wouldn't be worth all the extra slack or the extra travel I'd have to leave in the raise.

[This message was edited by David Mullis on 16 May 2001 at 09:36 AM.]

[This message was edited by David Mullis on 16 May 2001 at 09:37 AM.]

[This message was edited by David Mullis on 16 May 2001 at 11:11 AM.]

Bobby Boggs
Member

From: Pendleton SC

posted 16 May 2001 04:30 PM     profile     
For the record,the only thing I claimed to be right about is the fact Paul has a knee that drops his low G# to E.I still haven't heard the song.This change is old news as I stated earlier. We discussed this last Dec. or Jan.Ricky seemed to question my statement.But guys lets put things in perspective,we should all be able to hear a string drop 2 whole tones. Just my opinion. DISCLAIMER This is in NO WAY a flame towards Jeff who spends a lot of his personal time trying help others who are not as proficient at their instrument as he.---------------bb
Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 16 May 2001 07:43 PM     profile     
quote:
we should all be able to hear a string drop 2 whole tones.

Bobby,
I feel, that the point of figuring out a signature intro, solo, or fill, is to get it exactly the way the player did it. Even though many people can hear a two-tone move, the issue is to identify how it was played. As you know, this is far more difficult than just hearing what the notes are since you have to identify strings, frets, pedals, slides, and slants to play it properly. This difficulty could be seen by all the incorrect attempts that were made by a number of posters. I'm pretty sure Ricky posted because he felt that, being the fair-minded person he is, it would be nice for it to be acknowledged that I had it figured out. Even though you may very well have gotten it yourself, the fact is a number of folks tried and didn't. You post the fact that I have helped a number of players with my tabbing. Ricky has told me that what he likes about my contributions to the Forum is not just my willingness to help out players, but also that he feels my ear is exceptional. With all of the accolades showered freely every day on players, many relative unknowns like myself, I guess he felt that I deserved some attention for having the right answer. Certainly, receiving a compliment from him is worth 2 ( or 3 ) from anyone else. He's a super guy, wonderful pro player, has a tremendous ear, knows a bunch of world-class Texas players, and when he gives an appreciative nod, it means something. I appreciate it tremendously, and hope you're ok with that.

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 16 May 2001 at 07:52 PM.]

Bobby Boggs
Member

From: Pendleton SC

posted 16 May 2001 08:17 PM     profile     
Jeff I agree, I hate to see tab posted that is wrong.And it's not just what you play but how you play it.I'll admitt I don't hang out in the tab section but understand you're doing a great job.I'll start checking in.
To me Paul is like a god.When he confirmed I was right about the knee pedal change(no one else seems to take my word),I forget sometimes most of you don't know me.Well I guess I got caught up in the moment.No hard feelings I hope!Keep up the good work.--------bb

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