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Topic: New Promats
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 28 November 2004 05:56 PM
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my another guitar is on its way to be finished.30 more days.Mr.Gary Sill`s guitar is next to mine but you can see only a corner of it.I will post some more pics as soon as I get it from Gary. 
Promat cabinet with end plates Db ps
this is a PROMAT push pull as a finished instrument (this is my recent guitar with 18 Kohm TT`s the new one will come with 16.5 Kohm TT`s)  Db ------------------
"Promat"
~when tone matters~ [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 28 November 2004 at 06:00 PM.]
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Gary Preston
Member From: Columbus, Ohio, USA
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posted 28 November 2004 06:33 PM
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Damir ,it looks like an Emmons to me ( but i bet that was the plan huh ?)I would love to hear it . It really looks nice . Thanks for sharing it with us . Where are these guitars being made at ? Is there a web site and more information that we can read ? Maybe a price list ? Best regards,,,Gary . |
John Drury
Member From: Gallatin, Tn USA
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posted 28 November 2004 08:22 PM
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Gary,I played that axe briefly one day at Damirs house, it has the look and feel of an Emmons original push pull guitar. This is one fine sounding horn! John Drury
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David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 29 November 2004 03:36 AM
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I also had the pleasure of playing this instrument,
and it is very precice and has 'That Sound" big time.It also has a consistent sound right up the neck.
It is a sound that would cut through the muddiest stage sound, and be clear out front. I have never owned a PP... so far, but this is one I would want. |
Allan Thompson
Member From: Scotland.
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posted 29 November 2004 07:23 AM
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I have a SD10 on order, can`t wait to get my hands on it. |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 29 November 2004 08:14 AM
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AlanI am thinking about A Promat myself but don't want a D10.
What's the price of a SD10?
I know that a D10 8x4 comes to 3600Euro+shipping. Gary take a look at the link. http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 29 November 2004 at 08:26 AM.] |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 29 November 2004 02:07 PM
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Truly wonderful steel guitars! I can't say enough good about them. bobbe |
Chippy Wood
Member From: Elgin, Scotland
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posted 29 November 2004 02:24 PM
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If Bobbe says they're good then they must be.------------------
Ron (Chippy) Wood
Emmons D10
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 29 November 2004 05:39 PM
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HUH, guys,I didn`t expect such a great response.Thank you all very very much.Once we get those new Promats here I might try to set up another promo session at famous Steel Guitar Nashville store at Bobbe`s (of course,if Bobbe agrees with that idea)last time we had a few people and had a great time pickin` and talking steel.You need to come out and hear Bobbe play it,in his hands this instrument sings like an angel,if you think you know what is "THAT" tone on push pull,you need to come and hear Bobbe playing PROMAT,it is something awesome. 
Bobbe "tone to the bone" Seymour Db ------------------
"Promat"
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 30 November 2004 08:54 AM
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I agree, bring em' on!
bobbe |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 30 November 2004 06:07 PM
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thanks Bobbe. you are the bestDb ------------------
"Promat"
~when tone matters~ |
Gary Sill
Member From: Mt. Zion, IL, USA
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posted 02 December 2004 03:46 PM
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I can't describe the sound, how wonderful it plays and sounds, but I did experience it last June at Bobbe's. Call Bobbe, he can get you the best sounding guitar I've ever played. Thanks Damir for introducing this instrument. I ordered mine in June and should be here anytime. Believe me if you ever wanted that sound---and you know what it is!!!! Bobbe can get that for you as quickly as possible.
Call Steel Guitar Nashville and just let Bobbe tell you what he experienced. I couldn't believe it.
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 02 December 2004 06:51 PM
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hey Gary,you know you have a good sounding guitar when you hear Bobbe say:
"How did he do it?"
Well,you sure do have one and it will be done and ready for shipping in a few weeks.
John and David,thanks guys,it was great talking with you ,keep pickin`.(and ridin`)Db ------------------
"Promat"
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David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 03 December 2004 04:51 AM
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Above Bobbe said
" I can't say enough good about them. "
I saw the video Damir shot of Bobbe playing it for the 1st time.
And he speaks the truth. the most telling thing besides the hearing the sound in his hands was :Watching him search for another word to top the last ones...
and he had RUN OUT of supurlatives. I almost can't imagine Bobbe speachless.
But this was close. I had just finished playing the guitar at Damirs place and I understood. A serious sound.
Allan T. You are gonna LOVE this steel dude!! |
Tom Gorr
Member From: Three Hills, Alberta
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posted 03 December 2004 10:21 AM
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Is the promat available in a S12? |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 03 December 2004 11:07 AM
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Tom.Yes it is. S10 D10 S12. http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6 |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 03 December 2004 07:13 PM
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David and Ronald,thank you so much for your kind words.Mr.Papic and his crew appreciate very much your opinion and are very thankful for your comments. 
Mr.Papic at work.This is how Promat guitars are made.When I say "hand made" I mean it. 
Sava.Mr.Papic`s son and dear friend of mine helping at the shop.With all the orders coming in I`m sure they`ll need to hire some more help soon. Db ------------------
"Promat"
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Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 04 December 2004 01:52 AM
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Damir.I had the pleasure of receiving some e-mail from mister Papic.(or his son)
They sounded like real American so somebody must have translated my questions for them I think.
Don't know who it was and I don't care but what I do want to say is that these guitars look like they were made by some real craftsman.The pictures show that they realy ARE made by great craftsman.
Just compare this with other builders like Carter or MSA for instance.They all use CNC machines.The effort they have to put in to build a Steel guitar that can compete with the major brands is incredibly.
And I didn't even bring up the price yet.
3600Euro for a D10 with 8 and 4.
That's $4680+shipping.
And since I could pick it up on my way to Austria next year I am seriously considering of ordering me one.The only thing that is different with the other brands is that you have to pay the full amount of money in a time periode of 6 months.600Euro's a month.
And if all the comments about this steel guitar are true then I will make the big step and order me a D10 early 2005. Anybody want to buy a "Nikaro" steel guitar? 
 Ron
Nikaro SD10 4x6
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Nick Reed
Member From: Springfield, TN
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posted 04 December 2004 04:09 AM
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I played Damir's Promat D-10. It plays great & sounds great as well!Nick[This message was edited by Nick Reed on 21 December 2004 at 03:17 PM.] |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 04 December 2004 04:58 AM
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Nick,you are the first american musician to play Promat in USA, and your comments are very much appreciated.I`m not sure about the color.With Promat refusing to use any kind of materials but certain proven materials to make their guitars ,it may be hard to find mica color you want and at the same time have a mica specifications Promat demends for it`s guitars.But we both know that you want one since you tried it and we both know that it is just matter of time when you`ll get one build..  .You just have to talk to your lady and get a permition (as the rest of us I guess).
Ronald,yes,no computers involved in any stage of Promat`s making process,it is all done by hand,no CNC and BBC or CIA , just pure love and knowledge,few pairs of hands and lot`s of patience.Db ps
Ronald,the way your guitars look and if they sound as good as they look, I don`t think you will have any problems selling them. ------------------
"Promat"
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 04 December 2004 11:49 AM
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Mirko Tomic,great player and friend.Mirko plays with country and jazz bands on some radio and TV shows and also help testing Promat guitars.Here He is testing my guitar after was done. 
Mr.Papic and Robert.Robert is steel guitar player from Slovenija and He purchased amazing S-12, extended E9, Promat.No need to say he is thriled about his new guitar. Db ------------------
"Promat"
~when tone matters~ |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 04 December 2004 12:55 PM
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Damir.These steel guitars sound great man.Good sustain and all.
The only thing that I am not satisfied with is the way the third string sounds. I am experimenting a little with that but cannot seem to get it quit right yet. Any of you guys have a different set-up on your guitar that might help me a little? It's a 24 1/2 scale.
Just like any other steel you can buy. Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 04 December 2004 01:09 PM
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Ronald,maybe you can try another gauge for your 3rd string?Would that help?What is wrong with the way 3rd sounds?Db ------------------
"Promat"
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Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 04 December 2004 01:37 PM
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I don't like the sound of it in combination with other strings.It sounds to thin.
I have tried 0.11 and 0.115.
Maybe a 0.12 would do the trick.
I'll try and get to you on it.
Maybe bother the neighbours a little.
haha.Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6
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John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 04 December 2004 02:08 PM
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I'd recommend trying a .012, Ron. It seems alot of guys are trying that these days, regardless of the brand of steel.
-John |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 11 December 2004 05:19 PM
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Gary Sill just got this picture via email.It is a great feeling when you can watch your own instrument come together just for you.That is the part I love the most,mass production made guitars don`t offer that option.. Db ------------------
"Promat"
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 12 December 2004 11:55 AM
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I'm glad Bobbe thinks that the Promat is now the "best sounding" pedal steel guitar. Frankly, we were all getting tired of hearing that old "There is nothing like an Emmons" line! The King is dead! Long live the King! |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 18 December 2004 11:43 AM
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Donny, Have a merry Christmas, tell the Mrs. "hello" and get back to see me again soon. Your buddy,
bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 19 December 2004 at 05:59 PM.] |
Tom Callahan
Member From: Dunlap, Tennessee, USA
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posted 18 December 2004 12:43 PM
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Donny; All is a very big word. My Emmons is alive and well. I would not trade it for anything.tom |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 18 December 2004 04:52 PM
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well, I`m sure Bobbe had an Emmons or two in his life also.But like I said before,I got what I wanted (I had 4-5 Emmons guitars also, all puls and push pulls) and would not trade my Promat for nothing.Db ps Bobbe,look what I found in my photo album.I`m sure you know this gentleman.Pay attention to his left hand,it is so fast ,my camera couldn`t get it...  ...
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"Promat"
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tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 18 December 2004 05:35 PM
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Please enlighten me. I understood that the push pull pedal steel guitar was an emmons invention. Do they not have a patent on it? |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 18 December 2004 05:45 PM
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Emmons push pull guitars have two numbers underneath. One is the serial number and the patent number which is 3447413. Has the patent expired alowing anyone to copy their guitar? |
Jack Musgrave
Member From: Rogersville, Missouri, USA
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posted 18 December 2004 08:12 PM
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come on Bobbe, you bust Ed's chops about someone faking his guitars, but you support a fake Emmons push pull clone. what gives? |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 19 December 2004 10:28 AM
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huh???Db ------------------
"Promat"
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 19 December 2004 10:32 AM
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how much anger about a small company that made 7 guitars in 30 years.But,you know what,it is a Christmas time of the year and I don`t feel like argueing,so have you all a Marry Christmas and happy new year and be happy.Db ------------------
"Promat"
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 19 December 2004 10:57 AM
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Damir- What company are you referring to that built 7 guitars in 30 years???Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works |
Lem Smith
Member From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.
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posted 19 December 2004 11:32 AM
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Ed, I believe that would be the Promat guitar that Damir is referring to.Lem |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 19 December 2004 11:46 AM
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quote:
Emmons push pull guitars have two numbers underneath. One is the serial number and the patent number which is 3447413. Has the patent expired alowing anyone to copy their guitar?
Yes, it has expired. Patents only last 20 years. |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 19 December 2004 04:02 PM
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Ed,Lem is correct.I was talking about Promat guitars.Sorry about confusion.Db ------------------
"Promat"
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David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 19 December 2004 04:38 PM
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I have played a few PP's, and a few other steels,
I may not be the best picker by far,
but I know if a steel pleases me with it's action and it's sound. I am a recording engineer, I do hear sound rather critically.On both scores the Promat kicks butt.
I played Damirs for about 30 minutes, and loved every minute. Very well made, and I have heard nothing exagerated out of peoples mouths about it's sound.
At least not from people who have ACTUALLY played one. The PP design is way old, and in the public domain. But still unique.
So you want to gripe about the name on it,
or play something you will like.
Griping is easier...
playing is infinitely better IMHO Just look at Doug's smile....[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 19 December 2004 at 04:39 PM.] |
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