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Topic: Is the Day setup an eastern thing?
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Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 16 June 2005 10:14 AM
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I was thinking about my old playing days on the West Coast the other day and it seems that almost to a man, the players in California played the Emmons setup on the A & B pedals. Since moving to Virginia it seems like most of the players I've met in Virginia and North Carolina play the "Day" way. Is this my imagination or what?....JH in Va.------------------
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Bill Simmons
Member From: Keller, Texas, USA
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posted 16 June 2005 10:50 AM
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There are a lot of excellent players who use the "Day" setup such as Weldon Myrick -- Tommy White -- Johnny Cox --Joan Cox -- Corky Owens (Gene Watson)... |
Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 16 June 2005 11:33 AM
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Hal Rugg, Jeff Newman, Kenny Dail, Clyde Mattocks, Rick Mann.........JH in Va.------------------
Livin' in the Past and Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning. [This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 16 June 2005 at 11:34 AM.]
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Dave Van Allen
Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 16 June 2005 11:57 AM
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Rusty Young from Colorado... |
Ben Slaughter
Member From: Madera, California
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posted 16 June 2005 12:45 PM
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Most of the guys I know play Day, Jim Baron, Larry Petree, Paul Dobbs... In fact, I feel like I'm in the minority playing Emmons. I've even though about switching. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 16 June 2005 12:58 PM
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There are a lot of Day players in California. Jim Baron and Rich Sinkler are two that come to mind. Doesn't JayDee use the Day setup too? |
Andy Greatrix
Member From: Edmonton Alberta
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posted 16 June 2005 01:36 PM
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Also, Steve Smith from Canada plays a Day setup. |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 16 June 2005 03:08 PM
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All except one in our Florida Steel Guitar Club that have played at jams use the Emmons set up.Neither setup is "wrong" or better than the other. |
Roger Crawford
Member From: Locust Grove, GA USA
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posted 16 June 2005 04:54 PM
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I always thought the Day set up was a Texas thing! Look at all the players named that are there or from there. Just a thought. |
Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 16 June 2005 05:09 PM
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You mean there's another way to set up the pedals?  I play Day.------------------
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Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 16 June 2005 05:12 PM
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I use the Emmons setup cos I mostly play at NIGHT !!! |
Jerry Overstreet
Member From: Louisville Ky
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posted 16 June 2005 05:50 PM
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I plays Emmons cause that's what I started with and never saw any reason to switch.
I don't know if it's typical of the region, but I'd say at least 90% of our Steel Guitar club plays Day set-up. |
bob drawbaugh
Member From: scottsboro, al. usa
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posted 16 June 2005 06:02 PM
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No, the day setup is not easier. I play the day setup because so many play the Emmons setup and I don't want anyone to play my guitar. |
Barry Blackwood
Member From: elk grove, CA
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posted 16 June 2005 06:18 PM
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I'm also a California Day player. I think JayDee uses the Emmons setup ...[This message was edited by Barry Blackwood on 16 June 2005 at 06:19 PM.] |
Stephen Dorocke
Member From: Portland, Oregon
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posted 16 June 2005 06:31 PM
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....it's Day-time in Chi. |
Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 16 June 2005 06:59 PM
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So how come so many of you guys are DAY players, can't you get a nighttime gig ?
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John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 16 June 2005 09:58 PM
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I think they play the ‘Day Setup’, because; John Hughey does! I didn't realize that until about (2)-wks. ago!  ------------------
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Gary Walker
Member From: Morro Bay, CA
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posted 16 June 2005 10:12 PM
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I changed over from the Emmons to the Day about 30 years ago and found it to fit my preference. |
Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 17 June 2005 12:54 AM
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I started out with the Day set up on my p/p. In the late 70's I switched over to the Emmons set up. I think it was because I could move my left foot quicker to the outside to help with fast licks, etc. It's been so long ago but I think that's right. |
Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 17 June 2005 12:58 AM
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My answer to your Q about the "eastern" thing? I think it's probably 50/50 anywhere you go. Or at least where I've been it's that way. Good subject! |
Per Berner
Member From: Skövde, Sweden
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posted 17 June 2005 01:49 AM
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Actually, I believe the Day setup is (in theory) easier when sneaking up on, or using only "half", the A-pedal - you can bend your ankle inwards much further and easier than outwards.That said, I tried the Day setup just after I got my first pro steel in 1980, long before I was set in my ways, but soon changed back. Nowadays, my 'bud has the Day setup, which is a bit confusing... --------------------
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Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 17 June 2005 03:13 AM
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There have been polls on the forum about which way and the majority is Emmons. I don't recall any one area of the country being primarily one type. |
thurlon hopper
Member From: Elizabethtown Pa. USA
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posted 17 June 2005 03:59 AM
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Jack you are from Pa. and you know that we call the Day set-up the Keystone set-up. When i took my P/P to Tom Vollmer to change it over he said you want the Keystone set-up. Actually My Marlen came with the Day set-up and i never tried the Emmons very much. Matter of preference. TJH |
Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 17 June 2005 10:58 AM
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How would you class my hero Ralph Mooney? I think he's got his G# strings split and one on each side of his B to C# pedal. Would he be a Daymons or an Em-day or something like that? I think that the majority of the lightning fast players with maybe the exception of Tommy White play the Emmons way including Doug Jernigan, (The late) Jimmy Crawford, Paul Franklin, Russ Hicks, etc. After starting this thread I didn't realize how may Day players there were on the west coast, I just didn't ever remember meeting any while I lived out there. Are there any brands of steel guitar which come standard with a Day setup? I know the old ShoBuds, Emmons, MSA's, etc all came with the Emmons pedals.......JH in Va.------------------
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Gary Walker
Member From: Morro Bay, CA
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posted 17 June 2005 10:45 PM
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B0B, Jay Dee uses the Emmons setup on his pedals and the Day on his Knee Levers. How he does it, is amazing. But then, Jay Dee is amazing. |
Lyle Clary
Member From: Decatur, Illinois, USA
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posted 18 June 2005 06:43 PM
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I will have to disagree wih Per Berner in an earlier thread. I can roll my ankle to the outside without moving my knee to that side. It is impossible to rotate my ankle to the inside without moving my knee to the inside. Therefore Day is for me. Am I a freak or what? Dont answer that.------------------
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Steve Hackney
Member From: Stilesville, Indiana, USA
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posted 18 June 2005 08:19 PM
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Lyle, If your a freak, so am I. My ankles and knees work the same way.------------------
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Russ Tkac
Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA
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posted 19 June 2005 04:45 AM
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Me too! "Day' for me!Russ |
Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 19 June 2005 08:05 AM
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First off, this is not an attack on anyone. I see the reason "it's easier to bend my ankle" a certain way (by both Emmons and Day players), and I respect that. But, I just sat down at my guitar for 15 minutes, and just used my feet (no picking or barring to distract me) and I found that I could go from the Day setup to Emmons quite easily without my knee moving any more than with the Day setup. This is probably because I bend my ankle quite often while using the B & C pedals (I play the Day setup, so C is the number 1 pedal). Since I believe that your pedal technique is all in the way you use your ankle, your knee should not enter into the picture. Sure it will move slightly, but not enough to hamper your playing by activating knee levers. Now, there might be people with physical problems that make one way easier, and I'm not talking about them. ------------------
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 19 June 2005 12:20 PM
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I don't get it. I use the Emmons setup and move my ankle both ways. If I used the Day setup I'm sure I would also be moving my ankle both ways. Playing the minor with just the A pedal seems a little easier with the Emmons setup. |
Richard Gonzales
Member From: FITCHBURG,MA USA
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posted 20 June 2005 04:00 AM
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Dave- When my foot is at the A pedal in the 3rd position, my ankle can move both ways also. It is when the A pedal is in the 1st position my ankle has a hard time moving to the left. Hitting the C pedal in the 1st position is easier for me as it is usally the C,B combo and no need to rotate to the left. This is why I prefer the Day setup. |
Justin B. French
Member From: Virginia Beach, VA, USA
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posted 20 June 2005 07:04 AM
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Hi Jerry, I use the Emmons setup here in Virginia Beach, VA. We are about as far east as you can get, arn't we? Nice thread. Justin ------------------
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 20 June 2005 08:42 AM
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Okay, Richard, I see what you are saying - with your foot further to the left in the Emmons position, it is harder to turn your ankle to the left. I think most people with the Emmons setup have their A pedal set a little higher than the B pedal, which makes it easier to turn your ankle to the left. I can't find anything wrong with the Day setup, but since I started on Emmons, I don't see any point in changing. It really seems to be mostly what you get use to when you start out. I can't see any real advantage or disadvantage to either one. |
Gary Shepherd
Member From: Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 20 June 2005 09:54 AM
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I've switched back and forth so many times, it doesn't matter anymore.My Carter has Emmons pedals. ------------------
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Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 21 June 2005 06:51 PM
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David, that is my point exactly. The ankle just needs to be "trained" to bend in both directions. Adjusting the pedals and knee levers also helps (actually, I feel it is necessary). I started out playing Emmons for about 6 months until I had some levers added to my ZB and the guy who worked on my guitar talked me into switching. It probably wouldn't have made any difference in my playing if I would have stayed with the Emmons setup.------------------
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Mike Hoover
Member From: Bryant, Arkansas, USA
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posted 21 June 2005 07:54 PM
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Interesting Thread, I just started trying to learn to play steel, been bass player 45 years. Real good friend plays Day, and I ask Bryan if I should go Day or Emmons, he said Emmons, for the reason more instruction material. Another friend Rudy said he played Day because his ankles moved that way easier. At the stage I am at I could probably go either way, but the Emmons setup seems agreable to my body. Being a bass player this may be an imposible task, but if I don't try it I will never know. Been at it about 1 & 1/2 months so far.Mike |
Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 22 June 2005 06:05 PM
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The statement "there's more instructional material" for the Emmons setup is hogwash. Both tunings have the same pedals and levers. They're just arranged differently. If you can think of your A pedal being in position 3 instead of 1, you can use any instructional material. Take a pencil and write in the pedal number that matches your setup if you get confused.------------------
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Richard Gonzales
Member From: FITCHBURG,MA USA
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posted 22 June 2005 06:41 PM
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Another reason I like the Day setup is when I first started with Emmons setup my LKL
(F lever) had to be too far to the left in order not to engage the lever when hitting the A pedal. Using the Day setup the LKR (F lever)never interferes when hitting the A pedal. Although I could play the Emmons setup, the Day setup is more comfortable for me! |
Roger Edgington
Member From: San Antonio, Texas USA
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posted 23 June 2005 07:06 AM
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Around here it's mostly Day, but this is Day country. I get along better with Emmons set up but I am a Day fan for sure. |
Lynn Kasdorf
Member From: Leesburg, Virginia, USA
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posted 23 June 2005 11:54 AM
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This is really OT for this thread but it is about Jimmy Day's setup.Looking at b0b's tunings page (http://www.b0b.com/tunings/stars.html#E9jd)
...I see that Jimmy Day did not lower the E's! I find this rather astounding. I should think that maybe he would skip the E raise, since some folks do this with a slant anyway. But I can't imagine playing without being able to lower the E's. Of course, I LOVE Jimmy Day's playing- he managed to get along just fine without this change, but I figured it was just about the single most common lever. |
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