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Topic: Re:C6 on E9th
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Gary Arnold
Member From: Holt, Florida, USA
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posted 24 December 2006 09:57 PM
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Could I get some help with getting the C6th sound on the E9th neck. I have heard it played but I can't find any one to take the time to explain it. All help will be appreciated.
Thanks & "Merry Christmas".......Gary |
Michael Douchette
Member From: Gallatin, TN
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posted 24 December 2006 10:15 PM
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Gary, in a nutshell, with A+B mashed, add string 7, and you have A6... drop your E's, keep the 9th string out of it and you have B6... drop your 9th string a half, and you have E6... those are the basic positions...------------------
Mikey D...
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Gary Arnold
Member From: Holt, Florida, USA
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posted 24 December 2006 10:32 PM
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M.D. Merry Christmas, If you are in the key of say "C" what will be your chord positions
for I,IV,& V and what pedals or knees will you use with these chords with string #7.
Thanks........................gary |
Gary Arnold
Member From: Holt, Florida, USA
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posted 24 December 2006 10:45 PM
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M.D., I re-read your reply and I think I know what your talking about but you can answer my other ? if you will. I was just trying to figure out how you use the chords in a song.
Thanks So Much...........gary
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Michael Douchette
Member From: Gallatin, TN
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posted 24 December 2006 10:47 PM
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Gary, Merry Christmas back atcha...Man, that's a question with a bunch of answers. The combinations are numerous. Let me try to consolidate... A+B with 7, the basic C6 will be where your usual C is, at the third fret. With your E's lowered, the C will be at the first fret. With the 9th lowered, it'll be at the regular pedal up position, 8th fret. The IV's and V's are all in familiar positions from there. You just have to experiment with pedal combinations in these positions to find what works for you. One I use would be, in C, for the "Texas push" type walkup, starting on fret 3, A+B, rake 8,7,6,5. Go to fret 6, drop E's, again 8,7,6,5. Fret 7, no pedals, 9,8,6,5. Fret 8, drop 9th, 9,8,7,6,5. You just have to goof around with it a while. ------------------
Mikey D...
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Jerry Roller
Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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posted 24 December 2006 11:35 PM
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Gary, in addition to Michael's good information here is something to experiment with and search out how you can get some complex sounding chords on E9th. Move up two frets from your root chord, for instance G is commonly on the third fret, so try placing the bar on the 5th fret and press the B pedal, pick the individual strings starting at 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3 and 1, you can add the 2nd string if you lower it a half tone. Now, do the same thing working in and out of using the A pedal with it. You can see where you can combine these nice chords with what Michael told you. You can find the tonic or root chord moving the bar back three frets from the normal position ie key of C, instead of bar on the 8th fret,use the B pedal and bar on the 5th fret and you have a new set of nice chords to work with that will work over a C chord. If you happen to raise or lower the 7th string a half tone that will increase what you can find there. If you experiment with these a little bit, you can find them useful in getting some C6th type voicing.
Jerry[This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 24 December 2006 at 11:37 PM.] |
Roy McKinney
Member From: Imnaha, OR
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posted 25 December 2006 05:56 AM
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Herb Steiner has some great tab doing C6th sound on the E9th. It sure opened up some stuff for me on my U12. |
Don Walworth
Member From: Gilmer, Texas, USA
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posted 25 December 2006 07:12 AM
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Besides helping Gary, you have given this new kid on the block a lot to work with.Thanks!! Isn't this forum great? Merry Christmas.. ------------------
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Tony Dingus
Member From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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posted 25 December 2006 08:27 AM
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Merry Christmas everyone. Here's a little of what Mike and Jerry are talking about. It sounds a little like the first part of PF's intro to G. Straits All My X's in G.
L-lowers the E's to Eb.
5-------5----8----10A----
6---5B--5B---8----10B----
7---5--------8----10-----
8------------8L---10-----
9---5---5----------------
10--5--------------------
I love playing 6th stuff two frets above using the 9th string for the root note. Tie all the postions together that Mike gave you and swing your heart away.Tony[This message was edited by Tony Dingus on 25 December 2006 at 08:29 AM.] |
Michael Douchette
Member From: Gallatin, TN
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posted 25 December 2006 08:35 AM
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Here's a good way to "C6" that All my Ex's... in G...3rd fret, 9th dropped, 9,8,6,5.
5th fret, 9 back up, B pressed, 9,7,6,5.
8th fret, E's dropped, B released, 8,7,6,5
10th fret, A+B mashed, 8,7,6,5... OR
stay at 8th fret, E's dropped, add 4. ------------------
Mikey D...
Tony... I replied before I looked at your diagram... as I sit in our Department of Redundancy Department...  [This message was edited by Michael Douchette on 25 December 2006 at 08:37 AM.]
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Larry Strawn
Member From: Golden Valley, Arizona, USA
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posted 25 December 2006 06:31 PM
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Tony, Jerry, and Mikey D,
In your replys to Gary you also opened up some more stuff for me.
I've always played a lot out of the A-B pedals mashed, then when I got a U-12 I started using the droped E's also. I've now went back to a single 10, and your information on the use of the 9th [D] dropped a 1/2 suddenly lit a bulb in my feeble mind!
Amazing what you can find and learn by just reading and paying some attention! 
Larryedited for spelling,,,,,
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"ROCKIN COUNTRY" [This message was edited by Larry Strawn on 25 December 2006 at 06:34 PM.] [This message was edited by Larry Strawn on 25 December 2006 at 06:35 PM.]
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mike nolan
Member From: Long Island City, NY USA
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posted 25 December 2006 07:16 PM
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And don't forget that when you are in the E dropped position that you can release the lower and add string 9 to sort of give you the pedal 6 move...
--G6----C7---D7-----5--8----8----10-----
6--8----8----10-----
7--8----------------
8--8L---------------
9-------8----10-----
10------------------
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Tony Dingus
Member From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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posted 25 December 2006 08:31 PM
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I tranposed the Night Life intro from C6 to E9 from BE's basic C6 book. It's close.
L- lowers 1/2 tone, R- raises 1/2 tone.
4---2-3-4--5---------6L------------
5----------5--5A/6A--------8--8A---
6--------------------6B--8B---8B---
7----------------------------------
8----------------------------------
9----------5L-----------------8----
10-------------------6-------------
4-----------------------------------
5-----8--10------5A----10--13A/13---
6---8B-----10B---5B--10----13-------
7-----------------------------------
8--------10L-----5------------------
9--------------------------13-------
4-------8~~~~~4R----
5--8A---8A~~~~4A----
6--8B---8B~~~~4B----
7-------8~~~~~4-----
8-------8~~~~~4R----
9--8----------------
I hope this will help. Tony[This message was edited by Tony Dingus on 25 December 2006 at 08:32 PM.] [This message was edited by Tony Dingus on 26 December 2006 at 10:50 AM.] |
Gary Arnold
Member From: Holt, Florida, USA
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posted 25 December 2006 10:08 PM
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I just want to thank every one that has kicked in on this thread, it has been a great help, I have two SD-10 Zums E9 but I really like some C6 sounds in my playing...........gary |
Max W. Thompson
Member From: Boerne, Texas, USA
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posted 26 December 2006 07:04 AM
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I had been wondering what that lowered 9th string was there for...I have it on pedal 4, and I was messing around on it last night BEFORE I found this topic. I found some really cool things. Now I have to go back home and try the tips you guys mentioned.[This message was edited by Max W. Thompson on 26 December 2006 at 07:04 AM.] |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 26 December 2006 12:11 PM
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What Jerry roller mentioned makes a nice Dmaj7th on the 5th frett with the A and B pedals down. Used a lot for modern c6 type stuff.
I had a fender S10 with 4 pedals and was playing in Phoenic in the 70's, and missed my D12 Msa which I was waiting for. I just had to improvise, so got lot of C6 stuff on the E9. There is always a way...al  ------------------
My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/
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Gabriel Stutz
Member From: Chicago, USA
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posted 26 December 2006 01:01 PM
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I don't have the anywhere near the experience of the other folks fielding this question, but I just discovered something I like that relates to this question. From the C6th chord at the first fret (no pedals with the E-Eb lever engaged, strings 8,6,5)you can go up 1 fret, engage the A&B pedals, still holding the E-Eb lever - then quickly go back to that 1st fret C6. It works well on a swingy tune , and it sounds like horn stabs. Probably old hat, but news to me, maybe you can use it, too. Gabriel |
Michael Dene
Member From: Gippsland,Vic, Australia
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posted 26 December 2006 01:27 PM
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the following is a quote from a 2003 post by Bengt Erlandsen .... I found this and several other posts of his to be very informative.
(Dm7) (C9) (G6)
G7 Fmaj7 F7 F6 Fm6 Em7b5 G13 G7b13 Fdim Em7 E7 Cadd9 Eaug
1-----------------------------------------------------------------------
2-----------------------------------------------------------------------
3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
4-----------------------------------------------------------------------
5--3-----3A---3a--3----3-----2a----3A----3a-----3----3---3---3-----3A---
6--3-----3B---3B--3B---3B----2-----3-----3------3----3---3---3B----3B---
7--------3----3---3-----------------------------------------------------
8--3-------------------3R----2R----3-----3------3R---3---3R--3-----3R---
9--3-----3----3---3----3-----2-----3-----3------3----3L--3L--3L----3L---
10-----------------------------------------------------------------------
The small "a" on string 5 is halfpedal or split w B-Bb
Having an extE9 it makes even more sense since there is a:
dom9th on strings 12 11 10 9 7
And a major 9 on strings 8 6 5 2 1
And a major interval on top on strings 4 3
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Michael Dene
Member From: Gippsland,Vic, Australia
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posted 26 December 2006 01:41 PM
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....or take a look at John Steele's post in this topic, also from a few years ago.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/009227.html | |
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