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Tommy Detamore Member Posts: 478 |
posted 12 July 2001 08:36 AM
I need to lube the crossbars on a PP as well as a Pro II. Is it better to use something more "non-migrating" like a grease, or is oil , such as 30w, better for this? Also, in the Clem Schmidt book, he makes a suggestion to use ball bearings at the crossbar ends. Has anyone tried this? |
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B Cole unregistered Posts: 478 |
posted 12 July 2001 09:46 AM
Be very careful about anything that could drip on your pants I use a white litheum grease it comes in a tube or you can get it a spray can and it don't run nor drip. Also I have never used motor oil but gun oil or fishing tackle such as real oil work well and don't gather dust and dirt |
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Joseph V. Sapp Member Posts: 445 |
posted 12 July 2001 10:08 AM
not just the drip,,,,but eventually the oil finds its way into the wood.....regardless of the usage or amounts either on the crossbars, changer, bell cranks,,,whatever,,,,,I've personally used a product called "Tri-Flow"...available at Ace hardware....its the only pure teflon lube that I've found that works perfect every time....with the teflon,,,there is no major buildup or drips,,(up to this point)...it wont migrate, plus,,,there is NO buildup for the dust to collect if you'd use a oil base product. its a little more expensive than the standard Quaker State 10W30,,,but the investment we've all made in our equipment,,,,price should be the least of the concerns....hope this helps some. Joseph V. Sapp |
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Darvin Willhoite Member Posts: 2322 |
posted 12 July 2001 11:14 AM
Being an engineer, I don't see any advantage to using ball bearings on the cross shafts. The shafts rotate only a few degrees, and ball bearings work best to reduce friction on shafts that spin. I think a nylon bushing works better on a steel guitar. I use a light gun oil to lubricate my guitars, and only do it about once a year. |
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jerry wallace Member Posts: 759 |
posted 12 July 2001 11:16 AM
Tommy unless you have the cross bars out ,its hard to get grease up inside the bearings as the cross bars are recessed up inside of them..I think only a oil will find its way where you need it in this case. Do you have the cross bars out of the bearings? ------------------ |
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Tommy Detamore Member Posts: 478 |
posted 12 July 2001 12:03 PM
Jerry, no I don't have them out but I could. Obviously it would be easier if I didn't have to........Gee, I've got a can of TriFlow around here somewhere...  |
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Joe Smith Member Posts: 510 |
posted 12 July 2001 12:23 PM
Tommy, I also use Tri-Flow and I've never had a problem. ------------------ |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 12 July 2001 12:28 PM
I have needle roller-bearings on my Professional, and the only advantage I can see is, I get bragging rights. Plastic or Oilite bearings would make more sense. |
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Steve Feldman Member Posts: 2983 |
posted 12 July 2001 12:59 PM
Try PURE Teflon. Viscocity about like grease, but doesn't attract dirt. Can be applied in a syringe-type apparatus. Perfect stuff, IMO. Try a pro bike shop. |
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jerry wallace Member Posts: 759 |
posted 12 July 2001 01:08 PM
Tommy,I lay my steels on a soft carpet or blanket so the crossbars are vertical,in other words laying on the front of the steel..I put a few drops in the bearing at the contact point and work the pedal several times also moving the cross bar back and forth in and out of the bearing verticaly..I let it set this way for 15 or 20 minutes,then in flip it over so the back side on the bottom and repeat the same thing.This should allow the oil to migrate into the bearings where you need it.. Your right,its a LOT of work to remove all of those cross bars and probably not necessary unless you have one thats really sticking.. ------------------ |
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Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
posted 12 July 2001 04:06 PM
I would use oil very sparingly in the front crossbar bushings. In another thread I have described a very tough problem with an oil saturated '66 D10 Emmons cabinet. The wood was so saturated that the formica had come loose making it necessary to replace it and the oil just keeps coming out of the wood. I get the idea that a nice lacquer finish could be damaged by too much oil soaking into the wood also. Jerry |
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Tommy Detamore Member Posts: 478 |
posted 13 July 2001 05:57 AM
Yes, Jerry, your "situation" is what got me to thinking about this....... Chas, you know I'm just looking for somebody to tell me I can take the lazy way out... |
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Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
posted 13 July 2001 10:34 PM
Tommy, you can take the lazy way out! Jerry |
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