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Ed Miller Jr
Member

From: Coldwater,Mi USA

posted 08 May 2001 02:01 AM     profile     
Gee guys, ask a simple question and stir up a hornets nest!! Seriously though I really appreciate all the perstectives on this really the hard thing now is finding some recordings of it without looking on a napsterish type place.

Ed

B Cole
unregistered
posted 08 May 2001 05:30 AM           
Well it would look like opinions are surly like A-- Holes and every one has one. But I will stand by ny conviction that what ever you want to call it was done on the guitar at least here in the north. Carl you have nothing to be sorry for. I could see nowhere that you degraded any one. As far as Emmons goes I surly believe that everyone feels the same way. There is no way possible to name all he has done for the steel guitar world nor it it possible to where all these great steel players would be if he had not came along. Any one worth his salt has learned most if not all he knows from listening to Mr Emmons. Carl hold you head up high
KEVIN OWENS
Member

From: OLD HICKORY TN USA

posted 08 May 2001 07:57 AM     profile     
I have based all of my statements on fact where you have based yours on opinion. The original question was "What is tic tac bass anyway?" Even the question states that it was a bass. Also I'm basing my facts on the "Nashville Sound" not a bar band up north.
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 08 May 2001 09:36 AM     profile     
Good Lord Carl,Talk about misunderstanding!
What has your wonderful wife got to do with tic-tac bass? Or your band leader? Or a gibson Birdland? Looks like I can't understand either. Read my post again and learn what tic-tac bass does,I'm so proud of your wonderful life,I can only hope your as happy as I am, I belive you are as you've always seemed so. I'm also glad you love Buddy so much even though it sounds a little unhealthy.I also admire his ability very much however I put other loves over that. Sounds like you may be worshipping the wrong God. I'm kidding of course, don't get all riled up, Lets see some of that humor I know you must be hiding some where.
Jeannie says to say hello to you and thanks for the great hospitality you extended while we were in Atlanta-97. Not only is she working 60 hours a week in the hoapital,but she is totaly putting out a new store flter as we speak. This has nothing to do with tic-tac but I needed to say Hi!
Bobbe
Mike Sweeney
Member

From: Nashville,TN,USA

posted 08 May 2001 09:43 AM     profile     
WOW!!!!!!
Mike Sweeney
Member

From: Nashville,TN,USA

posted 08 May 2001 09:50 AM     profile     
Kevin, I thought I was the best at ****ing people off. You are the champ. Mike
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 08 May 2001 10:04 AM     profile     
Hey mike! I'm trying harder ,(in a humorus way).
Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 08 May 2001 10:47 AM     profile     
I'm listening to an original version of Ray Price's "Crazy Arms" and hear the "tic tac bass". Never really paid any attention to it until this thread came up.

Learn something everyday on here

Now that I have that straight in my Pennsylvania Dutch hard head, what is the guitar muted bass notes called that was on the Hank Williams sessions and many others? It may have been stated what it's really called but with all the posts, I've lost track.

(I agree with Carl, Emmons is numero uno).

B Cole
unregistered
posted 08 May 2001 11:03 AM           
Well are we having fun yet and this threar goes to show me that what we call things in the north sure aint the same as the south but that has nothing to do with it and another thing this has been great cause it tells me I could have been calling things wrong not for sure you understand but maybe. but I do feel this give and take should be able to take place without people getting mad how can any of us learn with out this kind of give and take so if I offended any one I Mean ever work of it NO I am truly sorry. And Carl do not be offended. And Bobbe I will talk yo Uncle Doug about you
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 08 May 2001 12:52 PM     profile     
I sure hope Carl isnt mad at me, I need his help on the up comming convention in Nashville, Bobbe
P.S. Thanks B. for all the nice Kudos
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 08 May 2001 12:56 PM     profile     
Carl, Happy anniversery! We all send your wife our condolences.(just kidding again).
I hope Ya'll have another fifty happy years together!
Bobbe
B Cole
unregistered
posted 08 May 2001 01:21 PM           
Carl give your wife a great big hug from all of us and a bigger one from you cause man she deserves it only kidding of course and take her out to dinner and play the song from Nat Stuckey, she wakes me with a kiss every morning and she loves me to sleep every nighy. And if you don't have it let me know I will send it to you just for the Big event

[This message was edited by B Cole on 08 May 2001 at 01:23 PM.]

Mylos Sonka
Member

From: Larkspur CA USA

posted 08 May 2001 02:50 PM     profile     
Over on Hillbilly.com some months back, Bob Moore's wife posted a long piece on this subject. Her husband played bass on thousands of sessions in the fifties and sixties and beyond. I have lost the posting, but if memory serves she said that a baritone guitar was used, the notes muted with the palm, and played to duplicate the doghouse bass notes.

As for the earlier use of the technique, if you don't remember hearing it in Hank Williams' sound, shame on you. Sammy Pruitt referred to it-- I think it was in Jerry River's biography of Hank-- as "crack rhythm." That is what I have always called it. As the Drifting Cowboys were Ray Price's band after Hank died, and Ray had been Hank's protege for a short while, it makes sense that you'd hear the same sound on Price's recordings of that period.

It would seem that Bradley refined the simple alternating muted guitar for a precise duplication of the bass lines with an instrument more suited to the sound he was after.

Hope this helps the discussion.

Mylos

B Cole
unregistered
posted 08 May 2001 08:48 PM           
Yes it does it brings use 360 degrees right back to which came first the Chicken or the Egg
Dave Brophy
Member

From: Miami FL

posted 08 May 2001 10:50 PM     profile     
Picture of a Danelctro 6-string bass: http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/danelectro_ub2.jpg

Pic of Danko on a Fender VI: http://theband.hiof.no/articles/fender_bass_vi.html

I bet he didn't play that thing too long.They didn't have the bottom of a "regular" Fender bass,and were hard to play.The strings were too close together.
A friend of mine used to have one,and I never knew until now that Fender only made 7-800 of them.

Bob Hempker
Member

From: Hollister, Mo.

posted 16 May 2001 08:24 AM     profile     
I would like to hear any guitar player that would "Eat Harold Bradley's Lunch." That's quite a statement. Carl, have you ever really heard Harold play? I'm not talking about commercial recordings, but really "play." I've heard many great guitar players, including Harold. When you get into that league, no one will "Eat your Lunch."

On a more positive note, I developed a program with my profex II to play tic-tac lines on the lower strings on my C6 neck. It works great. The only problem is: Most Country type tunes that a tic-tac is used on has steel and/or fiddle(s) playing lead lines. It's hard to drop out of the tic-tac line and start playing steel without something sounding like it's "missing."

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John Floyd
Member

From: Somewhere between Camden County , NC and Saluda S.C.

posted 16 May 2001 04:18 PM     profile     
I agree with you Bob, If anybody could eat Harolds Lunch, it would have had to pass thru his body first. I used to have a couple of Harold Bradley albums that would make most guitar players want to quit the business.
One of the original Superpickers!
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John

[This message was edited by John Floyd on 16 May 2001 at 04:26 PM.]

Larry Miller
Member

From: Gladeville,TN.USA

posted 17 May 2001 03:56 AM     profile     
I had heard that tic-tac bass was used to help the stand up bass be heard better on the AM radio. Harold was an innovator, so anything that comes after him doesn't count....
Rich Paton
Member

From: Santa Maria, CA.,

posted 19 May 2001 07:37 PM     profile     
Hi folks! I don't think the tic-tac bass is/was a Nashville-only thing.
I have a cut of a Roy Clark tune, named "Dented Fender", with L.A. studio guitarist Howard Roberts on tic-tac bass. While many tic-tac parts on a recording are subtle yet add much to a tune, this Clark tune's T-T bass part is rather prominent in the mix, and sets a cool, funky groove in the cut.
I'm sure it was was an L.A. production, most likely on Capitol.
I'm also certain that Carol Kaye ( L.A. studio bassist extroidinare (sp?) played hundreds if not thousands of T-T bass overdubs to the bass lines on 60's top-forty hits, too.
BTW, while on the subject of the six-string bass, there's a wild recording of Billy Butler (guitarist on Bill Doggett's cut of "Honky-Tonk"), where Butler plays bebop jazz guitar leads on a Fender Bass VI model. The cut is Wes Montgomery's "The Thumb", and has to be heard to be believed.
A wonderful thread, and very informative!

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