Kevin

[This message was edited by KEVIN OWENS on 01 May 2001 at 06:58 PM.]

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JCF (The Picker formerly known as Sleepy John)

[This message was edited by John Floyd on 03 May 2001 at 05:50 AM.]

Frankly I don't think it was a bass sound at all. I likened it to sounding similar to having a psuedo musical metronome going during the entire song.

I found it very pleasant to listen to. Later in our band, they hired a second guitar player and his sole job was to do the "tic" sound.

It was interesting to note that he had just purchased a brand new and gorgeous Gibson "Birdland" guitar and ALL it was used for is to "tic". Wow!!

Reminds me of how the steel is being used on some modern recordings. A little "pick" here and a little "pick" there.

But certainly no melody like days of old,

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done by the guitar player before there was a Drummer doing rim shots

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B,

Are you thinking of guitar accents on the backbeat (2&4) like the drummer plays on the rim (called a 'sidestick')? If so, those are called "chinks". No disrespect meant to any of Asian origin; that's what they're called.

[This message was edited by Michael Holland on 04 May 2001 at 11:34 AM.]

I don't mean to sound like a smart a_s but, it really bothers me when information gets so distorted. I think it's very important to keep the history of country music alive and as close to the facts as we can. "Who played on what, when was it recorded, what equipment was used? " The answers to these types of questions helps keep our of music alive.

But in the band I played in and the ones all over town it was done on a regular guitar and it was called tic tac guitar!!

And Cole is correct I heard it first on hank Williams recordings. And many Ray Price recordings. Again we may be talking about 2 different sounds.

And on an album that brought the cherokee cowboys back together with BE, Tommy Jackson, Buddy Spicher and others the liner notes refers to it as Tic Tac. And the sound I hear is the same sound our guitar player used to make. It sounds just like a metronome only it is pitched rather than just emulating a rim shot by a drummer.

And let's do get together and play checkers B Cole. actually I would rather play chess.

Does ANY body play chess any more? Or has it gone the way of the Accordion?

God bless you all,

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We are talking about two different things here. And yes, Kevin, it is frustrating to contribute with information that you know to be correct only to have it contradicted. From what I can gather, it seems that some erroneously refer to "chinks" (accents on 2 & 4) as "tic tac" (doubling of the bass line with variations). B is referring to "tic toc". B, is that "tick tock" like a clock, or "tic tac" like the mint?

Think CONNECTION between drums and bass; in other words, the muting you are speaking of is more in line with a percussive note that will tie in with one AND two AND three etc. Also, think one (sock) AND two (snare). Get it?

I would be the last one to ever debate and/or argue with Harold Bradley.

So I will just have to say that the sound our guitar player was doing which everyone in the band called "tic-tac" guitar back in the 50's, was something OTHER than "tic-tac" guitar.

And while I would not ever argue with Harold, I will tell you that the leader of that band and the guitar player would eat his lunch.

Carl
I can only imagine what your response would be if someone belittled Buddy Emmons like you just tried to do to Harold. A completely uncalled for remark. We were discussing tic-tac, not your opion of Harold as a guitar player.

I have presented facts (songs, players, equipment, dates etc.......). Play tic tac on a tuba, I don't care. I know what it is and what it isn't.

Have a nice day

[This message was edited by KEVIN OWENS on 07 May 2001 at 02:27 PM.]

In which year did Hank Williams pass away? Now let's go way back with Hank, I think what Kevin may be trying to say was, was there indeed a six string bass back then in Hank's heyday? I don't believe so. Which is why Sammy Pruitt, who at that time could surely have afforded to have one, didn't have a six string bass because they simply didn't exist. Sammy played and cultivated a nice percussive, Luther Perkins-ish sound on a jumbo archtop guitar. There wasn't a whole lot of lead guitar on most of Hank's recordings (with a few exceptions). I believe that the six string bass evolved from the general idea of what Sammy Pruitt was doing.

Right on! Yeah, I was in fact agreeing with you that tic tac existed before the six string Danelectro that you saw advertised in 1956. I have to agree with Bobbe, you're on the right track.

I was in NO way belittling Harold's playing in any way. You totally missunderstood me. I was talking about the band leader and the guitar player eating his lunch about them using a Tic-tac guitar player in lieu of a bass. Because the band leader HIRED the guitar player to do it on a guitar. I stand on the fact that in the 50's, a number of Guitar players in bands called what they were doing tic-tac guitar.

Now the fact that others call a style using a Bass tic-tac bass does NOT negate the fact that any number of guitar players called what they were doing tic-tac guitar.

Again it may be that we are all talking about 2 different things. I do not know. But the sound I am referring to was done on a guitar. NOT a bass.

(Bobby, I have a life thank you. And it has indeed been one of the most blessed a man could ever have! In this day and time it is rare indeed for a man to have been blessed with the same woman for 50 yrs. I will have had that pleasure come aug 25th! And what that has to do with Buddy Emmons I dont know. But I will also stand on the fact that he will always be the greatest player that has EVER lived, BAR NONE! There are hundreds of other greats yes, But NOT one will ever come even close to being as great as he is. NOT in any one's life time ever! And that includes those yet unborn! IMO)