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"..you think I'm psycho don't you mama, I just killed..." don't remember the singer

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Jack Kittel had probably the biggest version of this, although I think it would be considered more of a cult classic, as they say.

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Another brutal murder song--"Knoxville Girl" by the Wilburn(??) Brothers.

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BTW, my favourite Murder Ballad is "13" by Glen Danzig, done by Johnny Cash... I pray you don't look at me, I pray I don't look back.... uaaahahaha... (shiver)...

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martin abend Pedal-Steel in Germany
s-10 sierra crown gearless 3 x4 | Regal RD45 | fender hotrod deluxe

So I shot them down, one by one
And left them 'long the rails
I only use my gun
Whenever kindness fails

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James R.Hall
MSA S10 & MSA D12

[This message was edited by retcop88 on 26 July 2002 at 01:33 PM.]

Our gigs consisted of 50/50 original and other's songs.

The lead guitar player in the group was Scott Taylor [only native Washingtonian].
He and Willy wrote, together and sololy,
all of the original songs. These guys submitted one song each in the National Songwriters Competition in 1980. We cut some tracks for a 45 in May of 1980, just when
Mt St Helens blew her lid.

This was around the time when "Urbane Cowboy"
and John Revolting hit the silver screen.

Awhile later, Scott penned his 4th place song in the NSC, "It Takes
More Than A Hat To Make A Cowboy".

Willy's entry recieved an honorable mention with, "Let's Get The Cowboys Out Of The Bedrooms, And Back On They're Horses Again.

I was really in my rookie years on steel, but these guys liked me enough to be part of this great band.

Anyway, ya'll should hear these 2 great songs sometime.

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But we can't please all the Liberals. Steve missed his chance to capitalize on Timothy Mcveys popularity

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J.W. Lindh was a Taliban, not Al Qaeda; Al Qaeda is the guys that took out the Towers. Personally, I thought we should have killed all of them for trashing the Buddhas. Anyway, we didn't get Bin Laden and we didn't get Mullah Omar so we're directing our anger at him. Also, you remember the Intelligence Community saying how hard it was to infiltrate the Taliban,( the FBI was investigating Pee Wee Herman, a known masturbator), and a teenage American gets in. Doesn't look like we tried too hard.

[This message was edited by chas smith on 26 July 2002 at 09:10 PM.]

Kind of like your views on anything that doesn't fit your "America Love It (jes like me) Or Leave It" approach hey James?

When this topic opened Chris Schlotzhauer
suggested we "put ol' Steve in the same boat as Alec Baldwin and Tom Cruise and ship him out!"... but of course he hadn't even heard the song at that point, but outrage came from the article more than anything.

Michael Holland was quick to make the comparison between Chris' ship 'em out comment and that of a hardline religion's approach to anyone who appeared to have a different viewpoint. "EXPEL the INFIDELS who would dare disagree with us! : Momar Mohammed, Al Qaeda"
Sounds kind of similar?, yes Michael I couldn't agree more.

Bob Hempker's comments, for example "Steve Earle, and many like him, are nothing but glorified "Garage Bands." and "This crap is just plain Bad Music. It's loud, out of tune, and just plain Crap. I haven't heard this Taliban thing, nor do I care about his political views, but if what he does is music, I'm a blind astronaut."
So really it's another issue of taste, you don't like it, so it's no good.
Great, thanks for that Bob, I'll file it under stuff that Bob Hempker doesn't like.

Retcop/James Hall as usual weighs in with a overwraught emotion packed and misdirected comment about those who were killed in the terrorist action.
But Retcops really sums up someone's career with "Bottom line a piece of Shit draws nothing but $hitflies."
Okay James, thanks for that insightful look at Steve.
The rant picks up a little speed with "As I excersise my freedom of speech I agree with letting him have his. One difference tho,I am not selling mine. This is still a free Country even if Steve's Subjets of writing would like to change that for us."

This again follows the assumption that Steve Earle is selling out his country (no), and that Steve Earle would like to make America more of a restrictive religous state than it already is. Now, why would a guy who likes to sing freely and enjoys a drink want to do that.

James, you reserve your right to judge Steve Earle and his actions, I reserve the right to question your petty attacks on Steve Earle's character and motivation.

Why don't you write songs about things like Cancer, child abuse, spousal abuse and so on?
Maybe you have... please tell me about them if you have.

My remark about you being of the "America, love it or leave it" ilk, stems from this comment you made: "If Steve Earle likes to take his show on the road he ought to take it to Cuba, Guantanamo Bay to be exact.He could sing it to his subject matters the Taliban themselves."

Personally I imagine the Taliban would find the song a mockery and would like to kick Steve's butt, they are against music of a non-religous nature and any of their prayers used in a commercial song would be most offensive. I think Steve would know that as well, just because a fellow likes to partake in certain substances, that doesn't make him blind to facts.

Larry Miller, we have actually communicated off the Forum and you have helped me with my research in a most gracious and generous way more than once, however I have to disagree with "The subject of this thread is about a traitor who shot at United States soldiers during war time, a man who turned his back on his country and took up arms against his country".

I really don't think it is. It's about a song Steve Earle wrote, there is a difference. The fellow you are referring to is a subject of a song, which I might add would seem quite obvious he's trying not to glorify.
That seems to be most people's problem with the post (aside from the fact that some here seem to resent the popularity of Steve Earle and simply just don't like his music and they've found a place to bitch about it); is that they think the song is a glory song and that Earle is supporting the actions of a particular side.

I still think it's a song about a character's viewpoint, it just happen's that this one was inspired by real life events.

As with most other people's replies, I was going by what was posted here previously.

The track is from his forthcoming new album, Jerusalem, (currently scheduled to be released 24 September 2002). Emmylou Harris is also featured on the set, but on a totally different song.

Speaking of patriotism, here's some from Steve Earle:
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In describing, Jerusalem, Steve Earle's newest CD and his sixth album in six years, Earle says, "This is a political record because there seems no other proper response to the place we're at now. But I'm not trying to get myself deported or something. In a big way this is the most pro-American record I've ever made. In fact, I feel URGENTLY American. I understand why none of those congressmen voted against The Patriot Act, out of respect for the Trade Center victims' families. I've sat in the death house with victims' families, seen them suffer. But this is an incredibly dangerous piece of legislation. Freedoms, American freedoms, things voted into law as American freedoms, everything that came out of the 1960's, are disappearing, and as any patriot can see, that has to be opposed."

"John Walker's Blues, which deals with John Walker Lindh, the erstwhile Marin County teenager and admitted Taliban fighter. Opening with the lines, "just an American boy, raised on MTV…I seen all the boys in the soda pop bands and none of them looked like me" and finishing with a recitation of Sura 47, Verse 19 of the Qur'an, Earle wrote the song as the newspapers clamored for Walker to strung up for treason. For Steve, the issue was a little more complicated than that.

"I'm happy with the way the song came out, but I'm nervous, not for myself, but I have taken some serious liberties with Walker, speaking as him, in his voice. I'm trying to make clear that wherever he got to, he didn't arrive there in a vacuum. I don't condone what he did. Still, he's a 20 year-old kid. My son Justin is almost exactly Walker's age. Would I be upset if he suddenly turned up fighting for the Islamic Jihad? Sure, absolutely. Fundamentalism, as practiced by the Taliban, is the enemy of real thought, and religion too. But there are circumstances. Walker was from a very bohemian household, from Marin County. His father had just come out of the closet. It's hard to say how that played out in Walker's mind. He went to Yemen because that's where they teach the purest kind of Arabic. He didn't just sit on the couch and watch the box, get depressed and complain. He was a smart kid, he graduated from high school early, the culture here didn't impress him, so he went out looking for something to believe in."

What happened on 9/11 was a horror, what happens every day in Israel and Palestine can be a horror. But you try to see past that. You have to believe this will be better. To some redemption, I'm someone who has always wanted to believe. I'm good at it."

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James R.Hall
MSA S10 & MSA D12

[This message was edited by retcop88 on 29 July 2002 at 06:16 AM.]

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James R.Hall
MSA S10 & MSA D12

[This message was edited by retcop88 on 29 July 2002 at 06:26 AM.]

My own comments are based on its musical merit...and not its political correctness, or lack, thereof.

[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 28 July 2002 at 06:03 PM.]

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James R.Hall
MSA S10 & MSA D12