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Chris Schlotzhauer
Member

From: Colleyville, Tx. USA

posted 22 July 2002 06:19 AM     profile     
I copied this from another site. Has anyone heard about this? If this is true, put ol' Steve in the same boat as Alec Baldwin and Tom Cruise and ship him out!
+*+*+*+*

July 21, 2002 -- NASHVILLE - American Taliban fighter John Walker
Lindh is glorified and called Jesus-like in a country-rock song to be
released soon by maverick singer-songwriter Steve Earle.
The controversial ballad called "John Walker's Blues" is backed by
the chanting of Arabic prayers and praises Allah.

Earle's lyrics describe the United States as "the land of the
infidel." Those fighting Osama bin Laden's declared jihad against the
United States and Jews are said to have hearts "pure and strong."

The song says when Lindh dies, he will "rise up to the sky like
Jesus."

Northern California-raised Lindh, 21, last week pleaded guilty to
charges including fighting for the Taliban against U.S. forces. He
faces 20 years in jail under a plea deal.

The Lindh ballad is on Earle's forthcoming album "Jerusalem," which
contains other songs that touch on political and social issues,
including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Earle is currently in Europe and could not be reached for comment.
But he told an audience at the Mariposa Folk Festival in Ontario,
Canada, this month: "This song just may get me f---ing deported."

Music-industry heavyweights are already expressing outrage over the
controversial song, and many predict it will be banned from the
majority of radio playlists when it is released in late September.

"This puts [Earle] in the same category as Jane Fonda and John Walker
and all those people who hate America," said Nashville talk-show host
Steve Gill.

Phil Valentine, another Nashville DJ, said Earle had lost his way in
trying to rebuild his faltering career as an alternative country
performer.

"He's off the charts on this one," Valentine said. "It's politically
insane."

Earle had hits in the 1980s with "Guitar Town" and "Copperhead Road."
But his career was derailed in the '90s by a heroin addiction that
led to an arrest and time in prison.

Friends of the outspoken singer believe Earle will welcome any
controversy generated by the new song.

"He can take care of himself if anyone confronts him on the issue,"
said Grant Alden, publisher of No Depression, the alternative-country
music magazine. "He will not back down."

Bob Hempker
Member

From: Hollister, Mo.

posted 22 July 2002 07:58 AM     profile     
Steve Earle, and many like him, are nothing but glorified "Garage Bands." bOb's earlier thread about the analysis of NCS hits Steve Earle, and acts like him right square wherever you want to imagine. This crap is just plain Bad Music. It's loud, out of tune, and just plain Crap. i haven't heard this Taliban thing, nor do I care about his political views, but if what he does is music, I'm a blind astronaut.

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Earl Erb
Member

From: Old Hickory Tenn

posted 22 July 2002 08:24 AM     profile     
Right on Bob. I hear Tootsies is looking for a dish washer. That might be a good career move for Mr.Garage Band Earle. Never could stand that guitar flogging style of music or what ever you call it.
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 22 July 2002 11:53 AM     profile     
I just got this in from Rosco who is Steve Earle's guitar player:

quote:
......(some) people don't understand that steve is a storyteller and the song is
from John Walker's point of view

I edited it a little for the the sake of niceness.

Bob

Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 22 July 2002 12:19 PM     profile     
one doesn't have to be an axe murderer to write a friggin mystery novel about serial killers... An actor need not be a child molester to play one convincingly on screen.

it's just a guy singing a song.It may be politically charged subject matter- but the First amendment was still in effect last I checked.


And whether you cared for any of this particular artist's previous endeavours matters not a whit.


this strikes me as a knee jerk reaction to a severely misinterpreted song, not unlike some folks' reaction to Randy Newman's "Short People got no Reason to Live" tune from several years back.


IMO

Chris Forbes
Member

From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 22 July 2002 12:48 PM     profile     
well..... short people do suck
Earl Erb
Member

From: Old Hickory Tenn

posted 22 July 2002 02:42 PM     profile     
quote:
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......(some) people don't understand that steve is a storyteller and the song is
from John Walker's point of view
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I'm sure John Walkers point of view will be well documented in his court papers.Maybe if we're lucky this song will be as popular as the "Ballad Of Davey Crockett" and maybe Disney will make a movie of it. WAIT A MINUTE! Davey wasn't fighting with the Mexicans!

quote: one doesn't have to be an axe murderer to write a friggin mystery novel about serial killers... An actor need not be a child molester to play one convincingly on screen.
*No, but it helps.

quote:it's just a guy singing a song.It may be politically charged subject matter- but the First amendment was still in effect last I checked.
*No argument there.That doesn't mean I have to like it.

quote:And whether you cared for any of this particular artist's previous endeavours matters not a whit.
*Your right, but that's my opinion.

quote:this strikes me as a knee jerk reaction to a severely misinterpreted song, not unlike some folks' reaction to Randy Newman's "Short People got no Reason to Live" tune from several years back
*Geez,maybe a little more knee jerk reaction might prevent us from having to wake up in the morning with an AK47 pointed at our heads forcing us to recite the Koran before going off to work and kissing our wives goodby with a sheet over their heads. You know that's their goal.

[This message was edited by Earl Erb on 22 July 2002 at 02:44 PM.]

[This message was edited by Earl Erb on 22 July 2002 at 03:32 PM.]

Michael Holland
Member

From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA

posted 22 July 2002 02:54 PM     profile     
quote:
put ol' Steve in the same boat as Alec Baldwin and Tom Cruise and ship him out!

quote:
EXPEL the INFIDELS who would dare disagree with us!

Momar Mohammed, Al Qaeda



Sounds kind of similar, doesn't it?

retcop88
unregistered
posted 22 July 2002 03:31 PM           
Geez I called Steve Earle the "Garbage man" on a thread when he was featured on the Grand Ole Opry by those Idiots who run it.Pure and Simple. If he is consided a Genius I think they have lowered the standard of selection (Lower than Whale shit).

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James R.Hall
MSA S10 & MSA D12


Larry Miller
Member

From: Gladeville,TN.USA

posted 22 July 2002 03:33 PM     profile     
Merles song "The Fightin' Side of Me" comes to mind.
Wayne Brown
Member

From: Strathmore, Alberta, Canada

posted 22 July 2002 04:18 PM     profile     
i saw him live years ago and i lost all respect for him when i saw him play his tackamine guitar . he was wailing on it so bad that he broke 4 strings in 1 song then he tryed the who thing and smashed it...what a IDIOT!!!! can't play so he brakes his toys.... DAH

[This message was edited by Wayne Brown on 22 July 2002 at 04:19 PM.]

[This message was edited by Wayne Brown on 22 July 2002 at 04:20 PM.]

Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 22 July 2002 06:44 PM     profile     
Don't get me wrong- I do not think Steve Earl is a "genius", or even particularly gifted as a writer.

Personally, I would much rather listen to Earl Erb play guitar than listen to Steve Earl "sing"
or "play." I own an Earl Erb CD. I own no Steve Earl CD's

and damned if I intend to defend in any way the behaviour of John Walker Lindh. Nor am I an apologist for the poor down-trodden rich-kid Saudi terrorist bastards responsible for 9-11

but it's just a song fer cryin out loud...

Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 22 July 2002 08:06 PM     profile     
Steve Earle is a brilliant songwriter. He's also abrasive, abusive(to his audiences) and offensive. Just ask Del McCoury! But, he's allowed to say what he wants to. And we're allowed not to listen to it. Now, I haven't heard the song in question, don't own any of Steve Earle's music. But you KNOW, if country radio won't play "I Just Destroyed the World I'm Livin' In," then they won't play this song, either. I LOVE AMERICA, DON'T Y'ALL!?!?!
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 22 July 2002 08:20 PM     profile     
I think he's about 35 years too late to cash in on the "Folk Music/Protest Music" craze.
Earl Erb
Member

From: Old Hickory Tenn

posted 22 July 2002 08:22 PM     profile     
Dave, I didn't mean to get you riled up. I was just havin' a little fun with your comments. I guess we are all a little sensitive after 9/11. BTW, I'm glad you still like my CD.
Alvin Blaine
Member

From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 23 July 2002 02:00 AM     profile     
quote:
I think he's about 35 years too late to cash in on the "Folk Music/Protest Music" craze.

Steve Earl is a folk singer get trying to get a reaction from someone.There are millions of folk songs writin from the viewpoint of the villain. At least in this country he can write and sing whatever he wants, if he was under the Taliban rule he wouldn't even be allowed to listen to music.

[This message was edited by Alvin Blaine on 23 July 2002 at 02:03 AM.]

Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 23 July 2002 02:17 AM     profile     
S Earle plays in a glorified garage band? So do I, but I still drink Miller Beer and play the Star Spangled Banner at every gig .
tp
Ray Jenkins
Member

From: Gold Canyon Az. Pinal U.S.A.

posted 23 July 2002 05:03 AM     profile     
quote:
Never could stand that guitar flogging style of music or what ever you call it.

Earl,would "Thrashing" be a good word.
Ray

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Steeling is still legal in Arizona

Chris Schlotzhauer
Member

From: Colleyville, Tx. USA

posted 23 July 2002 06:30 AM     profile     
FWIW....Here are the lyrics

John Walker's Blues

Just an American boy
raised on MTV
And I've seen all them kids in the soda pop ads
None of them look like me

So I started looking round
for a light out of the dim
And the first thing I heard that made sense was the word
Mohammed peace be upon him

Ash-hadu alla ilaaha illallah, there is no God but God

If my daddy could see me now
chains around my feet
He don't understand sometimes a man has got to fight for what he
believes
And I believe God is great
All praise due to him
and if I should die I'll rise up to the sky
just like Jesus peace be upon him

Ash-hadu alla ilaaha illallah, there is no God but God

We came to fight the Jihad
Our hearts were pure and strong
And when death filled the air we all offered up prayers
prepared for our martyrdom
But Allah has some other plan
some secret not revealed
now they're dragging me back with my head in a sack
to the land of the infadels

Ash-hadu alla ilaaha illallah

Earl Erb
Member

From: Old Hickory Tenn

posted 23 July 2002 08:43 AM     profile     
Hey Ray, thrashing works for me.
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 23 July 2002 08:43 AM     profile     
Not exactly Woody Guthrie, is it?
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 23 July 2002 09:02 AM     profile     
Yea, Woodie Guthrie was only one of those unionist commies !

Bob

Chris Forbes
Member

From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 23 July 2002 11:25 AM     profile     
Aaaaaaaah, but if it wasn't for the union that I belong to, where would I be? Probably severely underpaid and wouldn't have been able to afford a steel/amp/volume pedal/etc etc
Earnest Bovine
Member

From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 23 July 2002 11:57 AM     profile     
If it wasn't for your union, I would have been able to afford a steel/amp/volume pedal/etc etc.
Chris Forbes
Member

From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 23 July 2002 12:03 PM     profile     
I have a hard time believing that, I'm just underpaid as opposed to severely underpaid.
retcop88
unregistered
posted 23 July 2002 01:13 PM           
It may be only a song, Tell that to the families of 2965 departed friends and brothers Familys/ Bottom line a piece of Shit draws nothing but $hitflies. Lets see maybe it's a hit in Taliband land which is in holes like snakes live in.

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James R.Hall
MSA S10 & MSA D12


Chris Schlotzhauer
Member

From: Colleyville, Tx. USA

posted 23 July 2002 01:50 PM     profile     
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[This message was edited by Chris Schlotzhauer on 23 July 2002 at 01:51 PM.]

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 23 July 2002 02:16 PM     profile     
I don't like it or the author/performer, but I'd be very upset if it was banned.

I don't want anyone telling me what I can listen to.

Remember when England banned Sir Paul's song, "Give Ireland Back to the Irish"?

I still don't understand how a "free" society can do that.

Larry Miller
Member

From: Gladeville,TN.USA

posted 23 July 2002 03:39 PM     profile     
Hey guys, let's write a song...I'll start it
    John Walker Lihnd, You are a traitor
    I wish a big alligator, would chomp you half in two
    You are responsible for the death of Johnny "Mike" Spann
    You didn't reveal the plan
    At the prison even though you knew
I think some steel would sound nice right here

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[This message was edited by Larry Miller on 23 July 2002 at 03:41 PM.]

Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 23 July 2002 04:37 PM     profile     
I think you are missing the point here, it's a song from a view point, it's not endorsing a way of life at all.

As always the Forum remains a fairly irony free zone, (Hoffnar and Bovine excepted) that durn ol' Steve Earle, how dare he write something that might actually challenge the average thought process.

Greg Simmons
Member

From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

posted 23 July 2002 05:23 PM     profile     
and wasn't "Okie from Muskogee" really written with satire in mind...?

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Greg Simmons
Custodian of the Official Sho~Bud Pedal Steel Guitar Website
shobud.cjb.net


Larry Miller
Member

From: Gladeville,TN.USA

posted 23 July 2002 05:30 PM     profile     
I've almost got the second verse done, but I need something that rhymes with eat sh!t and die!
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 23 July 2002 06:51 PM     profile     
Well, I heard the song today. If it sells big...well, let's just say my faith in humanity will dwindle...considerably. I'm talking just about the song, and not the political aspects.

Steve may be a great singer and writer, but this song exhibits no such talents. This song's "sensationalism" is the only thing it's got going for it. I'm an amateur at both singing and writing, but I'd really be ashamed if that song was the best I could do.

My God...his singing on this makes Bob Dylan sound like Caruso.

[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 26 July 2002 at 04:39 PM.]

Earl Erb
Member

From: Old Hickory Tenn

posted 23 July 2002 07:17 PM     profile     
Larry, your killin' me.
Derek Duplessie
Member

From: La Jolla CA USA

posted 23 July 2002 11:35 PM     profile     
I cant think of one decent artist that I can actually agree with when it comes to politics. As far as his other music goes...it's excellent!! It's refreshing to hear someone who doesn't wear a big DORKY black cowboy hat and wranglers that are 5 sizes too small!!!!! Instead of singing about honky tonks,pick-up trucks,and hound dogs,he sings about deeper things. At his
website he says, "Fundamentalism, as practiced by the Taliban is the enemy of real thought and religion too." He blames john's,"Bohemian" parents and MTV. Steve is one of the few musicians who still writes his own music. A nice guy too!!
-Derek
retcop88
unregistered
posted 24 July 2002 03:26 AM           
OK Steves Right ,But why can't he write songs about things like Cancer,child abuse,spousal abouse.They'd be a hit too.I never said he should be stopped from writing and exposing his Genius.I'm ok with him not wearing a cowboy hat(some real Cowboy might take offense),I'm even ok with him looking like a wino (heck I'm a Beer-o...Heck he may even be one of the nicest guys in the business (seeing that he is donating the profits to the WTC victims relief fund)yeah right.He may even win a humanitarium award,and the Pope while he's in town may consider him for saint hood.As I excersise my freedom of speech I agree with letting him have his. One difference tho,I am not selling mine. This is still a free Country even if Steve's Subjets of writing would like to change that for us.

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James R.Hall
MSA S10 & MSA D12


[This message was edited by retcop88 on 24 July 2002 at 03:33 AM.]

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 24 July 2002 04:13 PM     profile     
I hear they're currently mastering a Bruce Springstein album do out in the fall.

He wrote a song on it that tells the story of a Suicide Bomber in the first person.

That's dark, but not unusual for Bruce. I think it was his 80's album Nebraska that had songs in the first person about killers.

kyle reid
Member

From: Butte,Mt.usa

posted 24 July 2002 05:58 PM     profile     
Black cowboy hats are far from DORKY, & usually are backed up by great steel, now whats dorky, is some flat singin? dork, that stunk up the Opry a while back! & I dont think its just MY opinion!
ebb
Member

From: nj

posted 24 July 2002 06:20 PM     profile     
real life is not black and white. that's why there are artists and politicians
chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 24 July 2002 08:22 PM     profile     
"I cut off her head and kicked it against the wall"..Ralph Stanley

"...on top of the first Mrs Jones.." Porter Wagoner

"..you think I'm psycho don't you mama, I just killed..." don't remember the singer

"...just to watch him die..." Johnny Cash

We do have some history here...


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