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Stephen Gregory
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From:

posted 18 August 2003 01:26 PM     profile     
Okay, Who do y'all think fits the bill. Lots of awards, weak vocals, mediocre musicianship, below average songwriting abilities, but lots of recognition. Fire away!
Bill Moore
Member

From: Manchester, Michigan

posted 18 August 2003 01:40 PM     profile     
The obivious one: Tim McGraw, Also, I've always thought Hank Williams Jr. was way overated, especially his song writing. It seems that he only records his own songs, no matter how bad they are.
Joe Casey
Member

From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

posted 18 August 2003 02:02 PM     profile     
You could pick 8 of the top ten charted singers on this months chart. No shoes no shirt, no talent.; it's all about hype...

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Donna Dodd
Moderator

From: Kennesaw, Georgia, USA

posted 18 August 2003 02:05 PM     profile     
Kenny Cheesecake is my pick!
Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 18 August 2003 02:19 PM     profile     
Chesney, McGraw, Brooks & Dunn, Mont./Gentry, CHRIS CAGLE ( a special award for mediocrity here!), Hank Jr, certainly.

I'd also nominate a host of faceless nonentities, some of whom have plagued the Opry stage in the last year or so - their names have mercifully slipped my memory.

I'll put Kenny C. at the top of my list because, while he's no better or worse than the others, he sounds (in his all-too-frequent interviews!) as though he's starting to believe all his publicity

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David Cobb
Member

From: Chanute, Kansas, USA

posted 18 August 2003 03:20 PM     profile     
Chesney, McGraw, Rascal Flatts, Barf Gooks, Trisha Yearwood, Toby K.
Stephen Gregory
Member

From:

posted 18 August 2003 03:24 PM     profile     
How about an act that was actually named "Artist of the Decade"?
Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 18 August 2003 03:39 PM     profile     
From a vocal standpoint, Sawyer Brown.

The lead singer must have been a rock and roller at one time. All he had left was about a 6 note range. Go listen to one of their recordings and have a good listen to the lead singer and all the melodies to the songs--- no range at all. Kind of like listening to Mark Knopler sing.

Gary Carriger
Member

From: Corpus Christi, Texas, USA

posted 18 August 2003 03:53 PM     profile     
David,
Trisha Yearwood....??? You're kidding, right? You may not care for her choice of songs - but she is a great singer. IMHO, she is one of the best voices ever in C&W.
Gary
Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 18 August 2003 04:05 PM     profile     
Trisha Yearwood is a monster vocalist. Definitely world class. If you haven't seen her live you wouldn't know.
Eddie Lange
Member

From: Joelton, Tennessee

posted 18 August 2003 04:40 PM     profile     
Hey take it easy you guys on Hank Jr. We all know he has recorded some crap, but remember the entire Old Habits album, the entire Hank Jr and Friends album, Whiskey Bent, Heaven Cant Be Found, etc. Of course he can pick great songs too i.e. Eleven Roses from Darrell McCall and I'd Rather Be Gone from Merle and many others.
David Cobb
Member

From: Chanute, Kansas, USA

posted 18 August 2003 06:49 PM     profile     
OK, I'm not a Trisha fan because I've always thought she came across as a bit full of herself. And these days I cringe at her concert video duet with Garth that's been airing on the tube. They act like two people who need to get over themselves. She's never seemed that "country" to me. More like a gal who's too willing to do the cross-over thing, grab the bucks and go for more of a Celine Dion or Streisand take on things.
Now I'll risk contradicting myself and say that I absolutely love what she did with "How Do I Live" and what Paul Franklin did on that tune. And I have found a couple of tunes on her CD's that I could get into. Like you guys said, she may have some pipes, but I'll leave it for someone else to appreciate. And on we go.....
Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 18 August 2003 07:17 PM     profile     
Kenny, Toby, Tim, Jr..

I'm not sure Brooks + Dunn belong on this list..Although I am not a huge fan I think Dunn is really a pretty good singer...

Put those other guys on a stage alone with an acoustic guitar and you would clearly have a candid camera episode.

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Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 18 August 2003 08:13 PM     profile     
WAD/

Confederate Railroad.

I saw them at a Coloseum Show here in Portland, and the bandleader the "drummer" was about the worst I'd EVER heard. His whole band had evidently bailed and he used Chely Wright's players.

He SUCKED.

Most of the others mention have some redeeming qualities.

I'll have to think about it during work tomorrow.

EJL

Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 18 August 2003 10:18 PM     profile     
I forgot Shania Twain. She will probably end up doing rap.
Roger Rettig
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From: NAPLES, FL

posted 19 August 2003 03:23 AM     profile     
I STILL say Hank Jr. - I can't abide that beer-swilling 'redneck' southern rock 'thing' at the best of times, and he is too ordinary for words - if it hadn't been for who is father was, we'd have been spared his efforts altogether.

I included Brooks & Dunn as I've yet to hear a sensitive song from them - until I hear them challenged in this way I can't really judge - that awful thing 'She Don't Know She's Beautiful' is one of the dumbest records ever, and they seem to revel in that three-chord mediocrity.

At the other end of the scale? Check out Joe Nichols' singing on his current CD - he articulates every note, his pitching is spot-on, he phrases everything beautifully and he has 'chops' to spare! There's not a poor track on the whole record.

I wonder if Kenny & co (see above) can even tell the difference - it'd be nice to think that some of the less-talented vocalists might listen to the 'great ones' rather like we all marvel at the best steel-players, but I fear that their egos might prevent it...

RR

Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 19 August 2003 03:26 AM     profile     
Hey, Bill

If we had a Music Police, Kenny Chesney might end up doing time....

Donna Dodd
Moderator

From: Kennesaw, Georgia, USA

posted 19 August 2003 06:47 AM     profile     
Roger, Brooks and Dunn did what I would consider a sensitive tune. It's called "When it comes to Love, I've got a lot to learn". Might just be "When it comes to Love". It's on the Brand New Man album. I enjoy their music very much. (I've never understood why so many people consider them Vanilla) I listen to them in the privacy of my own car. Isn't that respectful of me??
David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 19 August 2003 09:43 AM     profile     
I'm gonna have to listen to some country radio on the drive across the southland next week.
Then I can know who I disliike too!

I have seen Shania on the Super Bowl show, but the rest besides Hank jr. are just names.
And Hank never floated my boat to much anyway.

John Macy
Member

From: Denver, CO USA

posted 19 August 2003 10:56 AM     profile     
quote

"that awful thing 'She Don't Know She's Beautiful' is one of the dumbest records ever, and they seem to revel in that three-chord mediocrity."

Actually, that was not B&D, but Sammy Kershaw...

Smiley Roberts
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From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075

posted 19 August 2003 12:29 PM     profile     
quote:
'She Don't Know She's Beautiful'

I've NEVER been a Sammy Kershaw fan,(or Doug either,for that matter) but that song title has to get an award for the "Dumbest Song Title Of The Year". Most "beautiful" girls not only know it,they make sure that everyone else does too!

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Donny Hinson
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From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 19 August 2003 01:22 PM     profile     
Most of the new (male) singers, and singer/songwriters I see on the Opry are no better than you see down on Broadway...playing for $25 plus tips. Typical "bar room band" stuff.

Most of the females seem a bit above "average", at least the kind of "average" stuff I'm used to hearin' in bars and clubs. There does appear to be far too much Whitney Houston influence among them, though.

Stephen Gregory
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From:

posted 19 August 2003 01:50 PM     profile     
Okay, But what about that BAND that was named Artist of the Decade?
Frank Parish
Member

From: Nashville,Tn. USA

posted 19 August 2003 02:03 PM     profile     
Give it to Chesney for no talent and dumbest song title yet. She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy
Now there's one that'll go down with Why Don't We DDDDDDo it in The Road or You're the Reason Our Kids are Ugly
Donna Dodd
Moderator

From: Kennesaw, Georgia, USA

posted 19 August 2003 03:33 PM     profile     
re: She thinks my tractor's sexy
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Don't laugh, but . . . well, . . . I consider tractors to be sexy. So I get a kick out of the song.
John Deere Donna

kyle reid
Member

From: Butte,Mt.usa

posted 19 August 2003 06:29 PM     profile     
Runs Like a Deer & Smells Like a John
David Cobb
Member

From: Chanute, Kansas, USA

posted 19 August 2003 06:56 PM     profile     
I understand where you're coming from Donna, the city boys had the muscle cars, farm boys had that turbo charged diesel. whoops, topic drift
Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 19 August 2003 09:33 PM     profile     
Donna - I'll make every effort to listen to that track you mention, but I remain a little prejudiced as I dislike B&D's exaggerated nasal twang.

I apologize if I'm wrong about the identity of the musical miscreants responsible for the '....Beautiful' song - I was sure I'd heard it by Brooks and Dunn; anyway, I still haven't liked anything of theirs that I've heard.

I have been surprised before - Tim McGraw's 'One Of These Days' is lovely (mainly due to Paul Franklin and Matt Rollins, mind you); he sounds very acceptable on that.

And Donna - please give my best wishes to Tommy, and tell him my new D10 Zum is exquisite - I was a little unsure at first, but now I'm converted!

I agree with Donny - the standard seems a little higher with the female singers. Why IS that, I wonder?

Dave Boothroyd
Member

From: The Malvern Hills

posted 19 August 2003 11:44 PM     profile     
Is anybody brave enough to say that some of the older generation of singers were overrated?
It's shooting fish in a barrel to say that Shania or Garth is overrated because you don't like their music, but surely some of the old Dead Dog Song country singers could be open to criticism.
Here's a start:-
George Jones could be oversentimental.
Barbara Mandrell was only ordinary, never did anything memorable.
Johnny Cash was a very limited singer - only a bit better than Willy Nelson.
Note that I'm not doing a hatchet job, I'm not saying these people were no good at all, just that they were not superbeings.
Go on, be brave, look at the faults in the classic stuff as well!
Cheers
Dave
Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 20 August 2003 05:58 AM     profile     
A good point, Dave - of course there were always 'duds' out there!

But not George Jones - maybe he could get a bit maudlin at times, but it's his technique and musical imagination that marks him as one of the best ever.

I'm sorry if this offends, but I fail to see what anyone ever saw (or heard) in Hank Snow, Little Jimmy Dickens, Grandpa Jones, Roy Acuff and many more - they seem to me to have been more like 'novelty acts' than serious musicians. They're the artists who gave country music its cornball image, and the reason why 'C&W' was largely disregarded by people who were serious about music.

Johnny Cash is an awful singer, with a severely limited technique, but he's a unique 'communicator' - the right song is in safe hands with him, although I can only listen to him for a short time.

I believe that the late-'50s and early-'60s saw a vast improvement, as producers like Chet Atkins sought to make the genre more widely acceptable. Much more ability was required of the studio player, and this has reached the point where Nashville is widely regarded as a world music capital where only the best players succeed - vocal standards have generally improved at the same time, but it's as well to remember that this is all only 'pop music', and 'curiosities' are inevitable!

For some, seeing these erstwhile performers on the Opry is a trip down memory lane, and that's fine - they're a part of the fabric of the culture - I fear, though, that many of them sound pretty poor to me.

I guess that the ratio of 'good vs. indifferent' doesn't change much through the years!

RR

Donna Dodd
Moderator

From: Kennesaw, Georgia, USA

posted 20 August 2003 06:54 AM     profile     
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Donna - I'll make every effort to listen to that track you mention, but I remain a little prejudiced as I dislike B&D's exaggerated nasal twang.

Roger - probably not a good idea to listen to that track afterall. I like it because it has the MOST exaggerated nasal twang of anything I've heard. I REALLY like twang - any kind coming from the nose or anyplace else. It's in my blood. And I had to be a silent "in the closet" twang lover until I met Tommy. He doesn't speak or sing with a twang -- but see, he plays this really cool instrument with both hands, both feet, both knees - and can chew gum at the same time. Gotta love Steel Players!! if you like that quote, I just happen to have great bumper stickers with that saying on them (and will have them at Scotty's). If I hadn't been in the no-twang closet all these years, perhaps I would be a little more balanced.
I'll give your message to Tommy. Will you be at the show?
Regards,
Donna
Jussi Huhtakangas
Member

From: Helsinki, Finland

posted 20 August 2003 07:08 AM     profile     
I most certainly wouldn't call Little Jimmy Dickens, Hank Snow or Roy Acuff novelty, much less overrated. If they'd start their career now, they might be considered just that for some people. BUT they were key figures of THEIR time. Roy Acuff's heyday was in the early 40's, and if you were from the rural areas of south then, you definately could relate to what he was singing about. Same with Hank Snow, and besides, he was always a very accomplished guitar player too, Chet Atkins was the first to tell you that. And Little Jimmy then, while he had some hits with novelty lyrics, he recorded tons of tunes, which should be labeled as "true hardcore honky tonk country". Plus he always employed one of the hottest bands in Nashville and was a grounbreaker too. Jimmy was the first bandleader in Nashville to permanently use pedal steel, electric bass and drums in his band and was one of the first to record rock'n'roll in Nashville ( Rockin' with Red in -53 )and the first country artist to do a world tour. Grandpa was novelty then, he was a comedy act, but that was the thing he chose to do, and was a huge influence on other similar acts and thus can hardly regarded as overrated. It's hard to put a label "overrated" on a older generation artist, simply because of the fact, that time and history has already proven if he/she is rated at all. The ones, that had many hits and were tremendously infuential are the ones that are written about today: Johnny Cash, George Jones, Ray Price, Ernest Tubb, Patsy Cline, etc. The ones that are not alot written about, can't be then considered overrated, usually it's the opposite.
But just my five cents, Kenny Rogers is overrated. Or is he rated at all? Well, at least he's lame

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Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 20 August 2003 08:09 AM     profile     
Roger,
I too appreciate the fabric of the industry back then & I agree many where overated.

The overated stars of today,that many dislike on the forum are the one's that sell the most records in country music. They have steelguitar in their bands. WOW!
Theresa

[This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 20 August 2003 at 08:13 AM.]

retcop88
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posted 20 August 2003 08:10 AM           
Who actually isn't overated.For me I fail to see what Kix Brooks brings to the table.Montgomery_Gentry now theres a future hall of fame duo.However Thrisha Yearwood is a genuine Talent.I may or may not like Tim MacGraw but you have to look at whatever he has, has got for him.$$$$$$$$$$ and Faith Hill.Kenny Chesney now this one has me. No talent,Fugly,yet the teenie boppers fall all over him.Country music is the only music that is trying to change it's identity. I guess the old saying still applies tho."If it smells it sells".

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Myron Labelle
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posted 20 August 2003 08:17 AM           
"They have steels in their bands "WOW". Having one in their bands I guess is good for two things.Advirtisement for the MFG.and the one or two distorted fills a set they get a chance to play. Neil Diamond has a steel in his band."WOWie"...For one freaking song. Wow.The Steel is sure getting a chance to move forward.Time for me to buy another one.

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Eric West
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From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 20 August 2003 08:59 AM     profile     
You know, it's funny, but the one thing that will piss me off as much as anything I can think of is to have somebody start dissing on ET. I notice that nobody mentioned him.

My wife never misses an opportunity to tell me her opinion, and I just have to walk away.

Another one is for some jergoff front man to do a make-fun-of-type impression of him or hack up one of his songs. I've quit over it once.

I know his vocal articulation was limited, and I'm sure the band had it's moments of noticing imprefections.

This brings me to my point.

It doesn't seem that vocal ability is what makes these folks great.

It's the WHOLE PERSON.

If it were "vocal ability". acts like Gary Morris with his tennis shoes and wet hair, and Garth Brooks with his C/W Freddy Mercury Stage shows would have been declared two of the all time best.

Yes it's true Jimmy Dickens Tommy Collins, Hank Thompson, George Jones and a couple others WERE "novelty acts".

Problem is that at a certain point "the industry" became "afraid" to promote them.

One of George Strait's early songs was "I'm gonna kill you" about killing his wife and "burying her in a small box". I doubt if you'll even find it on a discography.

With Hank Snow, it was the whole show, uniforms, musicians, the whole shot, as well as Hank's Charity Work. With Hank T, it was the musical arrangements and musicians. He was the Frank Zappa of country in my estimation.

I"m not gonna say who I think the most over-rated act is, because they/he/she come from my hometown..

EJL

Derek Duplessie
Member

From: La Jolla CA USA

posted 20 August 2003 10:35 AM     profile     
On the forum people are always saying tone is subjective. Well... music is subjective too. Personally, I'm not crazy about most the current country music. Right now I am more into Folk-rock, "Jangle"-rock, pop (the good kind), and classical music. But , just because current country doesn't reach out to me, doesn't mean it's not
reaching out to millions of other people (which it
obviously is). To me, music is a wonderful thing no matter what genre it is!!!! -Derek
Ray Minich
Member

From: Limestone, New York, USA

posted 20 August 2003 03:50 PM     profile     
Today's target demographic (i.e. target audience) for "Country?" music is something like 20-30 yr old women. I've seen it lamented elsewhere that most of the current batch of "country" music titles involve men apologizing to women about being men.

My personal pick for the most "overrated" Country Music person is Faith Hill. Nothing in her latest material is the least bit "country" in either content or presentation. Pop, contemporary, rockabilly, rock and roll, and country have all blended into one big mess on our local "country" station.

Stephen Gregory
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From:

posted 21 August 2003 05:22 AM     profile     
Okay but, let's talk about the one's you think are the least talented not whether they're country enough etc. In other words, limited vocal range, pitch problems, below average musicianship etc.
Ron Page
Member

From: Cincinnati, OH USA

posted 21 August 2003 05:41 AM     profile     
I don't know who is most overrated, but for sure they've been mentioned here. Good list of 'em.

The most underrated, in my opinion, would be Vern Gosdin.

Eric, those that consider ET overrated would have to have a myopic focus on vocal range and they'd have to include Cash for the same reason. ET always entertained, sang within his range, found good songs and recorded and toured with great musicians. It all added up to quite a legacy.

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