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Michael Garnett
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From: Fort Worth, TX

posted 15 March 2006 09:13 AM     profile     
I know this is completely the wrong forum to be asking this, but here's a question for you hippies out there. I got in a funk band playing bass this semester at school, and we're doing the classics, James Brown, Aretha, Kool and the Gang, etcetera.

I guess my question is, does anybody else out there get as much personal satisfaction from funk music? I never thought essentially a 1 chord song based on a bunch of individual riffs would be so much fun or so challenging. It sure forces you to count measures while playing, which I'd never done before.

Anyway, I've got thick skin, let the flamewar begin.

-MG

Steinar Gregertsen
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From: Arendal, Norway

posted 15 March 2006 09:23 AM     profile     
I love playing funk rhythm guitar, can play a one-chord vamp for 'hours'. Listen closely to what's really going on it there,- many players who's new to funk make the mistake of playing too much, the single parts are often very 'simple' but when everybody plays in the pocket it's a groove machine that can't be stopped.......

Steinar

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Jerry Overstreet
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From: Louisville Ky

posted 15 March 2006 09:29 AM     profile     
Yeahboy! If funk don't get your blood flowing, nothing will. Rick James [Superfreak], anything by James Brown, previously mentioned, et al.
Michael Garnett
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From: Fort Worth, TX

posted 15 March 2006 09:30 AM     profile     
Man, Steinar, you got that right. It's all about how much space you can leave. This band is a college level course, believe it or not, so we're dissecting each part individually and playing them as close to the original recording as possible. It's hard to get horn parts with three electric guitars and a keyboard, but we're doing a pretty durn good job of getting funky for a bunch of white kids.

Take the rhythm guitar part for "Jungle Boogie" for example. He's playing one note. Just one note. For the whole song. It goes "Chank chicka Chank chicka chicka Chank Chank." Every fourth time it goes "Chank chicka Chank chicka Chank Chank Chank." Just your standard "Bunny Hop" rhythm. Now try playing just one note at one rhythm for 5 minutes. It's tougher than you think.

-MG

Dave Mudgett
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From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 15 March 2006 09:50 AM     profile     
Yeah, man. And anybody who thinks copping those cool and seemingly simple Jimmy Nolen riffs is actually easy - well, try it sometime with a great funky, greasy rhythm section and find out just how square you can be until you find their groove. It is about the space between the notes.
Bob Smith
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From: Allentown, New Jersey, USA

posted 15 March 2006 09:51 AM     profile     
I like Parliment myself. Wonder if thyre still playin? bob
Pete Finney
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From: Nashville, Tn.

posted 15 March 2006 10:03 AM     profile     
I play club gigs here sometimes with a loose funk-rock band that leans towards Meters and Little Feat kind of New Orleans grooves, with a rotating line-up that includes several of the Black Crowes and guys from Delbert McClinton's and Kenny Wayne Shepherd's band. I usually bring my tele and a few lap steels, though I took the pedal steel once; it's always really fun. And it's really a great learning experience playing funk rhythm guitar and learning to think like a member of the rhythm section, a whole different mindset. Besides the great players mentioned above gotta give a nod to Leo Neocentelli of the Meters, a fantastic and very original guitar player. I got to see him and most of the orignal Meters do an impromptu late night set at "Antones" in Austin not long ago (they were displaced from New Orleans by Katrina; Austin's now full of great N.O. musicians) They've got their own feel that's never really been replicated...

As far as Parlament; George Clinton has kept some version of the "P-Funk Allstars" going for years... I've seen a few shows, some better than others musically but always entertaining.

David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 15 March 2006 10:09 AM     profile     
I just picked up a 2 CD James Brown set for $6.99 in the discount bin at the grocery store checkout. Yowzah. I'll never forget seeing him live at the Coliseum in Jackson, MS about 1970. Wow! By the way, it is a lot easier to play a complicated funk rhythm that you make up yourself. Copying someone else's idiosyncratic rhythm can be really hard.
Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 15 March 2006 10:23 AM     profile     
If you wanna hear some very funky music check out the movie Dave Chapelle's Block Party. I have never been a fan of gangster rap but the music in this movie is something on a whole 'nother level. There is a full horn section and rhythm section throughout, lotsa white boys in there too! Performances by artists like Lauryn Hill, Wyclef Jean. Mos Def, Roots Fugees etc are way powerful.
Michael Johnstone
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From: Sylmar,Ca. USA

posted 15 March 2006 10:30 AM     profile     
I can go there. In the late 60s/early 70s I played in a few R&B/Funk bands in beach bars up and down the East Coast. In those days you could play 7 nights a week and be booked a year in advance if you had a tight funky dance band. Then I moved to L.A. and played Bakersfield style steel for a couple decades until I was persuaded to dust off my 6-string and join King Cotton which was a multi-racial 9-piece R&B review. I played with that band for almost 5 years in the mid/late 90s and we worked 4-5 nights a week mostly around L.A. We had a huge book of Blue Note Be-Bop,Doo-Wop,Hip-Hop,Reggae,J.B. style Funk,Willie Bobo style Latin Funk,Jump Swing,old-school 50s black R&R and a lot of other obscure stuff.
I had a ball playing mostly minimalistic skank rhythm guitar on an ASAT thru a Blues DeVille. Occasionally I would bring my Sierra and play most of the same stuff on that just to see if I could. I love music where the groove is an inch wide and a mile deep. -MJ-
Michael Garnett
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From: Fort Worth, TX

posted 15 March 2006 10:40 AM     profile     
I've found that the best funk songs, or at least the best to my ear are pretty simple rhythmically and easy to figure out from a harmonic sense. You start getting into some more complicated lines, but sometimes they're not as catchy and toe-tappin as the simpler ones.

There's just something about it... whenever I hit play on that CD player or MP3 Player, my heart rate kicks up about 20 beats per minute and I start getting antsy.

And this brings up another VERY important subject, something that I think is almost overlooked nowadays. The drummer. In any sort of music, if you've got a drummer and a bass player that can really get into the pocket, it makes the whole world a much better place. Sometimes I think most of the drummers out there don't own metronomes, or don't practice with them, or don't practice at all. This kid we've got drumming with us is only 20 years old, but he's probably one of the best all-around drummers I've ever had the pleasure of playing with. He's rock solid on tempo, and sits back right in whatever pocket he needs to from classic country to funk to straight ahead rock.

-MG

Mark Metdker
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From: North Central Texas, USA

posted 15 March 2006 11:12 AM     profile     
I remember the first time I saw James Brown on TV back in the sixties. I was memsmerized by his voice, his stage presence and his band. It was, and still is one of the tightest bands I have ever heard. I've been a funk fan ever since. Never played it on stage, but I think it would be a challenge and lots of fun.
Ron Sodos
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From: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA

posted 15 March 2006 11:47 AM     profile     
I played in a real funk band in the mid 1970's touring the southwest. We played Earth Wind and Fire, Ohio Players, Llots of James brown and all the other tunes around at that time. The "Bump" and lots of other dances. We were 9 pieces with 3 singers 2 horns keyboards and I played rythm guitar. It was alot of fun and i learned alot about music. Most musicians at that time playing in funk bands read charts and rehearsed from real music notation. I had learned that as a kid and it helped me get the gig. Eventually I drifted towards steel guitar and country but I really had a great time doing funk and always reminisce about that time in my life. I still love funk and always will.
Brendan Dunn
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From:

posted 15 March 2006 01:32 PM     profile     
I love listening to funk. Particularly Eddie Bo's productions with James Black playing the drums .... "Hook & Sling" "Hip Drop" "Humpty Dump" ... great New Orleans grooves from the '70's.

Nowdays there some great funk being played by 'Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings' and 'Binky Griptite' out of New York and 'Breakestra' and 'The Greasybeats' from Los Angeles.

Here's some fine funk by Breakestra......

[This message was edited by Brendan Dunn on 15 March 2006 at 01:38 PM.]

Terry VunCannon
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From: Randleman, North Carolina, USA

posted 15 March 2006 04:36 PM     profile     
One of the blues/R&B/Gospel blues bands that I play with does some James Brown & I love covering the horn parts with lap steel while the other guitarist does the groove.
David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 15 March 2006 04:47 PM     profile     
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Jim Sliff
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From: Hermosa Beach California, USA

posted 15 March 2006 04:48 PM     profile     
I used to play a lot of soul/funk bass and guitar. As soon as I get competent enough on steel I want to start working on some Meters stuff. Cissy Strut on steel...yah, mon.

;-)

Andy Greatrix
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From: Edmonton Alberta

posted 15 March 2006 04:51 PM     profile     
One (of many) of my favorite Cd's is Delbert McLinton Live at Austin City Limits. His rhythm section digs a trench a mile deep.
Michael Garnett
Member

From: Fort Worth, TX

posted 15 March 2006 04:56 PM     profile     
Delbert's stuff is horribly funky. I saw him live with Billy Joe Shaver in Fortworth about a year ago. It was incredible.

-MG

Michael Barone
Member

From: Downingtown, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 15 March 2006 05:36 PM     profile     
Some of the posts here reflecting on past experiences reminds me of the 70's also. I spent about a year back then learning arrangements by Chester Thompson, the B-3 organist in "Tower of Power" at the time. The band I was with covered some of their songs, including some break instrumentals. I could never match him, came close at times. Monster chops in a serious funk groove. Any B-3 players (or others) familiar with this stuff?

Mike

Jon Bergh
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From: St. Paul, Minnesota, USA

posted 15 March 2006 06:31 PM     profile     
it's what keeps me on the bass...
frank rogers
Member

From: usa

posted 15 March 2006 06:33 PM     profile     
Yes, to both.
Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 15 March 2006 06:45 PM     profile     
I played guitar with some funk bands in the '70's, also soul and R&B. Before I really listened to it and got into playing it, I would have said that any one-chord song would be boring and not much of a song. After playing it, I realized how much you can do with a one-chord groove.

What's kindof funny is that a lot of the cumbias we do down here in Mexico remind me of funk. Many of them are one or two chords and the groove is everything. Of course it's a latin-style percussion groove instead of the American funky rhythms.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 15 March 2006 at 07:00 PM.]

Rick McDuffie
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From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 15 March 2006 06:52 PM     profile     
I had a belated revelation the other day...

Sly and the Family Stone- "Thank You Fa Lettin Me Be Mice Elf Again" and "Play That Funky Music White Boy" (Wild Cherry).

Same song.

Never caught that way back when.

To me "Tell Me Somethin Good" by Rufus is the epitome of nasty funk. You gotta wipe it off afterwards.

Michael, I think you'll be amazed at how many there are of us here who've played all styles of music on a bunch of different instruments. We're not "just" steel players

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 15 March 2006 at 06:55 PM.]

Charlie McDonald
Member

From: Lubbock, Texas, USA

posted 16 March 2006 05:04 AM     profile     
quote:
Anybody ... listen to funk music?

Not since Miles' foray into it in the 70's.
Tom Zielinski
Member

From: Buffalo, New York, USA

posted 16 March 2006 05:30 AM     profile     
Hey!
Somebody else digs breakestra, their EP is downright amazing!

JBs, the Meters and Sly are great! A lot of the old new orleans bands like Eddie Bo Hook and Sling are great as well as the Gators.

I still play in a funk band that has cut its size down to a trio, I play pbass or upright. We do some sly and meters, Mickey and the Sooul Generation.

THE band to check out is Bonnie Raitts piano player. The disc is called Jon Cleary and the absolute monster gentlemen. The CD has a black and orange piano cover art. You won't be disappointed!

John Macy
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From: Denver, CO USA

posted 16 March 2006 05:59 AM     profile     
My favorite George Clinton quote is "Funk is it's own reward"...
David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 16 March 2006 06:17 AM     profile     
Just give me some Earth Wind And Fire and I can get with it.

I once found myself doing a lot of sound gigs for a 8 piece funk group.
one night the drummer missed his plane to Province town out on Cape Cod.
A 20 minute flight, but a 2 hour drive.
I found myself playing the whole 1st set on his kit,
with these 7 cats dancing steps and groovin out in front of me.
We had played the night before so I just left the pa system like we had done the last gig.

The drummer came in during the next to last song,
and didn't come up and take the sticks away,
he was so shocked I was pulling off well,
he just left me to it. Cool!.
He was a 3rd generation drummer and REALLY hot,
so I was flatterered to be left to it, in a big way,
If he had come and asked to take the sticks mid song I would have gladly slid over for him: it was HIS chair afterall.
Later that month I also played bass for the jazz tunes at his wedding,
with his father on drums. Dad had put 3 kids through college playing and teaching drums.

Grandpa had played for Duke Elington and the Dorseys,
he had bad ticker at 75+ so he just told a drum joke.

My love of funk took me off into Lenny White, Alphone Mouzon, Bilham Cobly...
Return to Forever and 11th
House's instrumental funk jazz.

Still James Brown just hitting that groove, and riding on, always was way cool.
For me it's that long groove and THEN
a hip unison bass and guitar break with horns that grabs me.
Like in Jungle Boogie or Get Away.

Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 16 March 2006 07:06 AM     profile     
Michael Barone, I'm a serious Tower of Power fan... love Kupka's bari playing. Remember "Squib Cakes" and "What Is Hip"?

I love EWF, too, DD... everything about them- horns, vocals, groove. Saw them with Chicago a couple of years ago. After that show, I just wanted to quit everything else I was doing and play bass in a horn band!

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 16 March 2006 at 07:06 AM.]

Dave Grafe
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 17 March 2006 11:38 AM     profile     
I toured with Pleasure and NuShooz in the 1980's as a FOH sound engineer. Yeah buddy!

Took my ShoBud out to a funk jam one night not too long ago and played all night (the pedal steel guitar can do wonders for "Superfreak")! Afterwards the drummer's cousin came up to me and said "That was cool, I learned a lot from watching you tonight, but DON'T YOU EVER DO THAT AGAIN!" Seems the brothers there were having a hard time listening to that honky guitar mess with "their" music.

[This message was edited by Dave Grafe on 17 March 2006 at 09:19 PM.]

Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 March 2006 12:26 PM     profile     
Tower Of Power!
Ben Elder
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From: La Crescenta, California, USA

posted 17 March 2006 09:35 PM     profile     
Not in a hell of mine.
Bob Carlucci
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From: Candor, New York, USA

posted 21 March 2006 12:50 PM     profile     
I can and do...
P Gleespen
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From: Lakewood, OH USA (I miss Boston!)

posted 22 March 2006 07:29 AM     profile     
It's hip on the Mothership...
Dave Van Allen
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From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 22 March 2006 09:52 AM     profile     
li'l bitty boy, with a heart of steel...


I love's me some Meters...

Webb Kline
Member

From: Bloomsburg, PA

posted 22 March 2006 02:46 PM     profile     
There is evidence of funk is my style no matter what I play. How I was born white is still a mystery to me.

Earth Wind and Fire's All 'n' All album is imho, one of the most incredible musical creations of the last century.

I loved Herbie Hancock's Headhunters too. Great funk. Then the record industry cashed in on it, watered it down and called it disco and ruined all the fun.

I love Jon Cleary's stuff. Great player and it don't get no funkier.

In the late 70's I played with a funk band. Hohner D6 Clavinet with a Mutron II Phaser and a Vox Wah wah. Fender Rhodes, B3 and a pair of 122 Leslies and a Mini-Moog. I was funky in funky town.

I was made an honorary Black Brother at the NCO club at Ft Indiantown Gap. They said they never heard a white boy with so much rhythm. I've always been proud of that honor.

CrowBear Schmitt
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From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 25 March 2006 02:13 AM     profile     
been hooked ever since Poppa's got a brand new bag

i'll never tell what Funk is....

Bob Smith
Member

From: Allentown, New Jersey, USA

posted 25 March 2006 04:04 AM     profile     
I like the Average White Band, that guy was a super funk guitar player, "Cut the Cake".I busted my butt to learn that song back in those days.
Keith Cordell
Member

From: Atlanta

posted 25 March 2006 06:03 AM     profile     
I always thought it was a terrible injustice that people mistook funk for disco; I could always tell the difference. I grew up with the Ohio Players in residence on my turntable, even when I was spending all my time in a Ramones T-shirt. And the cover art didn't have a THING to do with it! Well maybe a little... And P-Funk is still the best stuff around for getting a roomfull of people on their feet and moving.
Mark van Allen
Member

From: loganville, Ga. USA

posted 25 March 2006 12:09 PM     profile     
True Funk is one of the most fun genres for Pedal Steel, IMO, and certainly not always relegated to simple chord grooves. Although several of the bands I play with "play at" funk, I've been lucky enough to hook up with some real NOLA Funk masters- "Juice". I'm on steel on quite a few tracks on their last release "Hey Buddy", as well as Captain Soular Cat's 'Three Rivers Point", another seriously funky band.
I love that stuff.

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[This message was edited by Mark van Allen on 25 March 2006 at 12:10 PM.]


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