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I'm not taking away from anyone's playing ability, but I've worked with some super pickers over the years (various instruments) but get them in a studio where they have to create and they are totally lost.

This adds to the producers options that have been mentioned.

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What you say makes a lot of sense. I can also see that a producer or singer wouldn't want a style on their record that was already out there and identified with another singer.

Interesting.

Miguel is one heck of a creative steel guitarist.

[This message was edited by Mike Cass on 01 July 2001 at 05:55 PM.]

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[This message was edited by Bill Llewellyn on 01 July 2001 at 09:13 PM.]

I personally have had to finance my recording career by being on the road. And, I find that to be very exciting.(Sometimes)

Tom, careful about admitting working the road. That might not be acceptible by the "power elite!" Perhaps those at the top forget what it's like on the way up. Apparently, it looks different when they are "looking down" than it does when you're looking up.

It is very hard (almost impossible?) for those not in the "click" to break in, regardless of how good, creative, or anything else you may be.
I doubt seriously that anyone in that "comfort zone" at the top is going to move over and risk loosing future work to a "newby!"
It seems that there are those who believe that unless you are part of the "click" you can't possibly be any good, especially if you work the road or clubs or anything else. I agree that those who work at their profession day in and day out, especially with the same old group in the studio, are more proficient than the guy who doesn't get the opportunity, but that doesn't mean he don't have the talent or ability if given the opportunies often enough to make his mark.
How do you "get in" with producers, etc, without "politicing? How many got where they are today with out it?
In my opinion (of which I am just as entitled to as anyone else on this open forum), part of the trouble with todays sound is it's "sterileness" from the "same ol' people" being used constantly.
Perhaps if we heard more of a "variety in the musicians" used in the studio we might would hear more "new" country that some seem to claim is so badly needed. Nashville is loaded with great and capable musicians who seldom get the breaks they need but are just as good as those who have been fortunate enough to find success (afterall, we're all reaching for the "brass ring!). It is easy to be the best if you make sure that there is no risk of competition!
And there in lies the problem. Creativity? talent, ability? How would anyone know of your contributions if not given the opportunities?
Many of those who are so proficient in the the studio "started" on the road,in night clubs, etc. But I wonder how many of those who lock themselves in the studio day in and day out can "cut it" playing live anymore?

Ok, I'll put on my asbestos suit from here and await the "flaming!" (Like I really give a "c**p!") but,no matter what, it is still just your "opinion" too!

Let's hear more on the radio from people like Tommy White and Mike Cass and many, many, more great and capable players who are available. Get rid of the "berets", bald heads, and earrings,and "cool school", and bring in some of the one's in need of a hair cut with bills piling up from not getting a break.
How about more "hotlicks" and less "cheese!"
It might give new definition to "new country!" There might even be some of those who dislike the "new country" sound that begin to like it again.

Maybe it is time the "old guard" moved over!

OK,I have said all I'm going to say on this subject, so go ahead and "flame away! It's your turn.

Granted, it does take hard work, but that doesn't mean you aren't working hard if you're not successful!
I don't know of any "self repecting" musician in this town who isn't working hard at their profession, but that still don't get the door opened, huh uh, no way! It's the old saying "who you know and who you......" well, I think you know what I mean.
If all it took was "hard work" there wouldn't be the same pickers on every record you pickup! Every record would have different players and more of the "variety" the "new music" is supposed to claim.
By the way, the last time I looked at the "union book" there were lots of musicians listed in it! And a lot of them hardworking musicians and very capable (but not "politically correct?"), but not all of them are getting session calls. Check the album covers, not the union book, if you want to see who is getting all the work! How many of them got there by who they knew or by "politicing!" There are way more great players in this town than what the recording industry indicates.
Hard work? Yes! No politics? "Bull!"

Dave

[This message was edited by Dave Robbins on 02 July 2001 at 07:26 PM.]