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Charles Curtis Member From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA |
posted 11 November 2004 10:32 AM
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I have known guys that have got into the dangdest fist fights and went on being friends etc., and I've known malicious words uttered that can just lie there and fester for years. I think it tacit that words alone can do irreparable harm. |
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Harold Parris Member From: Piedmont, Alabama USA |
posted 21 November 2004 03:02 PM
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Julian was more advanced on pedal steel 25 years ago than most of us will ever be. He had his style of playing and was a pioneer on 12 and 14 string universal pedal steel. I know nothing about his personal life or habits other than he was an accomplished musician decades ahead of his time. He was a player that stepped outside the "box" and experimented with pedal steel guitar styles and setups. The bottom line is he paved the way for us with his adventurous nature. ------------------ |
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Dan Burnham Member From: Martin, Tennessee, USA |
posted 25 November 2004 06:46 PM
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I was introduced to Julian Tharp by Bob when I purchased Julian's tape off the forum. I was introduced to Zane Beck by Don Frenche. These 2 guys, changed my whole prospective of what pedal steel is and can do. Regardless what side of the fence you reside on, the playing ultimately speaks for itself. At St. Louis how many children did you see? How many people over 45 did you see? We have got to expose the instrument to the next generation of players. Julian and Zane have inspired me to want to go in a different direction and try to reach that next generation. So what if the Hall of Fame was not based upon how good the player was but what impact he made on music and it's influence today. I wonder how many would be in it? Julian doesn't need a plaque on a hotel wall to determine his worth, his playing did all the speaking. |
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Willis Vanderberg Member From: Bradenton, FL, USA |
posted 28 November 2004 08:48 AM
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If private life is the criteria by which we are ultimately measured , I can think of thousands of famous and great people who should be deleted from history books. This includes a few presidents and world leaders.As any flyer can tell you, the best pilots are not always the best instructors. I learn something from pickers who don't have a very high opinion of their own ability.It has been my experience that, some of the exceptional people I have had contact with, have personal problems. So Talent and brains doesn't alway let us rise above the darker side of things. Just my 2 cents. Old Bud |
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b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA |
posted 28 November 2004 10:32 AM
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quote:The view of the SGHOF, as I understand it, has little to do with "private life". Board members have said as much on this Forum. As I understand their position, a steel player who wrongs another steel player wrongs us all. Private or public actions that do not hurt other steel players are of no concern. Charles Manson could make it into the SGHOF if he were a steel guitarist. quote:I believe Tom. I apologize for fanning the flames here, but it had to be said. When people call the integrity of the entire Board into question, I will question the source of the accusation. These guys are all friends of mine and they are, in my opinion, as honest as the day is long. If we can't trust Scotty, Fred Layman, Herbster, et.al. then I should just close this place down and walk away. When you know the real people, it takes a lot more than a text file on a remote computer somewhere in cyberspace to change your opinion of them. ------------------ |
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Fred Shannon Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas |
posted 28 November 2004 11:47 AM
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Well hell, here we go again. Tom Bradshaw made a statement about as far as he knew there had been no nominations submitted for Julian Tharpe. I made the statement that I knew there had been, then you, b0b, asked me to post the nomination. I had the nomination on another older computer under a Corel Word Perfect document. I copied that to a txt file in order to put it on the Forum. No one bitched about it then. And if we're gonna' fan the flames I suggest someone get in touch with Scotty and have him send you the email he sent me, which I consider confidential, explaining what may have happened to that nomination. Just another example of blow outs that occur before people have done their homework. Even though I was not mentioned by name I think the implication was caught by all according to one email I just received. I havent even looked at this thread since my one post until the email. I am not thin skinned, but I take the post personally. Too, I am not a damned remote computer posting out of cyberspace. I didn't bring up the nomination of Julian Tharpe. I did post what I thought about the methods used against him and if that's not what a forum is about then count me in with Carl Dixon. Enuff is enuff and I resent the damned post and insinuations. Period. No one from this computer ever said they doubted the integrity of but one person on the SGHOF and I maintain that stance. Edited to correct two spelling errors and one misstatement. BTW Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas. Have a nice life. fred ------------------ [This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 28 November 2004 at 11:51 AM.] [This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 28 November 2004 at 11:56 AM.] |
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Steve Hinson Member From: Hendersonville Tn USA |
posted 28 November 2004 04:15 PM
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b0b-I once read somewhere that Charles Manson WAS a steel guitarist... |
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Jack Henderson unregistered |
posted 28 November 2004 04:24 PM
Fred, your post just goes to show that some of us stand up for our thoughts, beleif's and opinions,without fear of oposition,Thanks Fred,Jack |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 28 November 2004 04:24 PM
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The Bradshaw/Manson connection is well documented elsewhere on this Forum. Manson is not a steel guitarist. |
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Fred Shannon Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas |
posted 28 November 2004 06:19 PM
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Super dodge. An old indian once said it's darkest before the sun rises, but it would make no difference to a man who can't see or hear. Deaf and dumb people would probably have a rough time being a steel player. Just a thought. Sometimes minds are changed by revelations. Probably sooner than later.
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Fred Shannon Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas |
posted 28 November 2004 09:44 PM
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I've just received an email from Mr. Scott and I believe I have his permission to put this entry on the Forum: "About my misplacing or losing your nomination form for Julian - I thought that you might have put that on the forum." Case closed and this is my last post on the subject. This too did not come from some damned remote computer out in space. You don't believe it, email Mr. Scott for his confirmation and I continue to believe that unconfirmed accusations should not keep individuals out of the HOF. edited for spelling error and one addition and one removal of intolerance. fred ------------------ [This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 28 November 2004 at 09:47 PM.] [This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 28 November 2004 at 10:47 PM.] |
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Fred Shannon Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas |
posted 29 November 2004 06:50 AM
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I received this email this AM and I'm complying with Mr. Scott's request. "Hi Fred, You have my permission to use this reply I sent to you regarding Julian and my apology. I am the person that submits the names and bio's to the Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame nominating board members and I have checked the year of 2003 and do not see the form you submitted for Julian. It is highly possible that I have misplace it or lost it as there was another name up for submission for 2004 and it never made it either. (Jummy Porter-was one of, it not the first, steel player for Hank Williams) The person that did that nominating has since resubmitted his induction information form. Tom Bradshaw used only the information that he received both from me and our secretary. Our secretary at that time was Fred Layman. As I failed to to enter Julian that year, of course, Fred would not have a record of it. I would like for you to please resubmit that request to me again and I will personally see that it gets to the nominating committee at our next meeting. I apologize to you for this oversight and promise that it will not be misplaced again. Please submit it to by parcel post. Best regards and thanks for your interest in the Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame. DeWitt Scott, Sr. President (Post this this as soon as you can please.)" I have honored Mr. Scott's request to keep several more emails from him confidential. fred ------------------ |
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Myron Labelle unregistered |
posted 29 November 2004 03:39 PM
Was Julian a Mason? ------------------ |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 01 December 2004 05:11 AM
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It doesn't sound like he actually 100% believes he lost it, just that he might have, and thinks he probably did as he seems unable to explain what happened to it. Just my thought on the whole thing. In regards to steel guitar shows, there was a Dallas one circa 1969, and Californian ones in 1968. Some guy named Tom Bradshaw had quite a lot to do with them, perhaps you've heard of him. The mid 1970s shows, Scotty's and so on, were the boom era I'd say, the shows were bigger, recordings were made and more fusion of styles was evident, Julian was part of that scene and it was a big time for the industry in general. On a side note, some of you guys should be ashamed of how much mud you're slinging 'in the name of Julian,' you do no-one a service. |
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Charles Curtis Member From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA |
posted 01 December 2004 07:47 AM
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Well said Jason; I don't like to see any undocumented defamatory allegations about anyone in any case here in this Forum in general. There can be the possibility, in some cases, where the accuser can and may have his or her own agenda for some reason. Where Julian is concerned, IMO, the man was one of the most fantastic speedpickers and he could play different styles so beautifully and I think he was a great pioneer of the psg. I hope that the focus will be on a musician's music in the future. I am grateful that he did what he did with and for the psg. I personally do not wish to offend anyone here; I am grateful to those with the talent and initiative that I am able to enjoy and I would like to always remain upbeat. Does anyone play well when they are depressed? |
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA |
posted 01 December 2004 08:58 AM
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Yes, I agree with these last posters, I knew Julian very well. I was also in the ill fated "Nashville Steel Guitar Club" in 1970 as a charter member. I liked him as a player, I need no proof of anything in this argument. I was there and saw everything. My posting any of it here would do no good to anyone including his family. It's just not a important thing anymore. His being in the HOF is not an important thing. All of us getting along, loving, and helping each other NOW and what's going on in this day and time is what's important. Let's try that. Let's maintain what dignity the HOF might have left. bobbe |
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b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA |
posted 01 December 2004 11:53 AM
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On that fine note from Bobbe Seymour, I am ending this discussion. |
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