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Jim West Member From: Vista,CA |
posted 02 April 2005 07:49 AM
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This song was done by the Byrds circa 1968. Who played the steel on that song? Nice stuff. |
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Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
posted 02 April 2005 09:08 AM
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I may be wrong but I was always under the impression that Clarence White played on that with his B-bender... no steel. |
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Kevin Macneil Brown Member From: Montpelier, VT, USA |
posted 02 April 2005 10:12 AM
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I seem to remember that the liner notes to the 1997 re-issue credit Lloyd Green. |
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Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
posted 02 April 2005 10:44 AM
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It's Lloyd Green and Clarence White; my old copy seemed to have the Telecaster on one side of the stereo and the steel on the other. The song was a parody of the genre, but both players excel on this track. RR |
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Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
posted 02 April 2005 11:00 AM
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Clarance and Lloyd it was.. It was kind of hard to tell them apart at times on that tune...lots of fun.... bob |
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Larry Robbins Member From: Fort Edward, New York, USA |
posted 02 April 2005 11:03 AM
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Good stuff indeed! I also liked Gram Parsons version with the great Niel Flanz. |
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Dave Zirbel Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA |
posted 02 April 2005 12:57 PM
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Are you sure it's Lloyd? On the Byrds boxed set the liner notes say Sneaky Pete but that's obviously wrong. I assumed it was Gene Parsons. DZ |
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Victor Denance Member From: Bordeaux, France |
posted 03 April 2005 07:14 AM
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On what record was this song released ? |
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Jim West Member From: Vista,CA |
posted 03 April 2005 10:01 AM
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Thanks for the info guys! Yeah, LG sounds right, that steel is very sweet. |
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Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
posted 03 April 2005 03:47 PM
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"Dr. Byrds and Mr. Hyde", Victor. |
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Victor Denance Member From: Bordeaux, France |
posted 06 April 2005 09:37 AM
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thanks for the reply I have this record in my collection and I haven't give it a listen for a long time. Great playing ! |
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Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA |
posted 06 April 2005 12:55 PM
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Now a trivia question -- anybody know at whom this song was directed? |
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Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 01:05 PM
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Ralph Emery. |
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Jim West Member From: Vista,CA |
posted 06 April 2005 03:49 PM
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Yep, I heard it was about Ralph Emery a number of years ago. What prompted the Byrds to slam 'ol Ralph anyway especially way back then? |
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Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 05:31 PM
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Lots of info here, for example: http://ebni.com/byrds/lpdbmh.html. |
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Jim West Member From: Vista,CA |
posted 06 April 2005 06:51 PM
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Ahhh .... It's all comin' back to me now. ====================
The single reflects McGuinn's bifurcated strategy. The A-side was the heavy "Bad Night at the Whiskey," the most effective of the LP's electric numbers. The ethereal "ahhhhh" vocals contrast effectively with the fat, lumbering bass and bluesy guitar. Despite a now-ludicrous line about "bringing my soul brothers down," the song boasts a strong melody, a solid McGuinn vocal and tasteful bluesy guitar from White. |
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Dave Brophy Member From: Miami FL |
posted 06 April 2005 11:01 PM
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Ole Ralph was probably doin' too much Goody's Powder.That stuff'll make ya irritable. |
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Dave Grafe Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
posted 07 April 2005 11:58 AM
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How about The Byrds' "Yesterday's Train" - The album notes explicitly credit White and his bender, but a good listen betrays the use of a pedal steel guitar. I always thought it was Gene Parsons but maybe not? |
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Mark Lind-Hanson Member From: San Francisco, California, USA |
posted 07 April 2005 12:01 PM
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What prompted the Byrds to slam Ralph Emory was... McGuinn went to an interview @ Emory's radio station, to promote "You Aint Goin Nowhere" which was their current single. Emory dissed them in one way or another- maybe someone else has More of the story. But the gist of it was, Emory had a real hard time reconciling the longhairs and the funky drums with his idea of "good Country music". It was their way of getting revenge- a product of the times- the "Us & Them" stuff, again. And it really IS Lloyd Green with Clarence on this- I don't know how someone reads Sneaky Pete, but, Pete isn't ON that album at all.(Dr. Byrds) |
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Kenny Radas Member From: Edwardsville,IL,USA |
posted 07 April 2005 12:26 PM
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Happen to catch either Desert Rose Band or maybe Chris Hillman solo on the Ralph Emery Show on TNN several years ago. One of the first questions he asked Chris Hillman was 'How is ol' Gram doing these days'? Maybe that song had more meaning than we realized. Got to wonder where Ralph had been for the past 30+ years. All Chris could say is 'He's dead'. Ralph kept on going and did not miss a beat. |
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Jim Florence Member From: wilburton, Ok. US |
posted 08 April 2005 12:32 PM
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Don't know about the others but Poco did a great version of it on an album that I still have. The title of the album escapes me as I have it stored away with all my other Vinyls. Rusty Young played steel on it. Jim |
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Pete Finney Member From: Nashville, Tn. |
posted 08 April 2005 03:02 PM
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Well, what did they expect...? A bunch of damn hippies come to Nashville with their "bifurcated strategies" or some damn thing and wonder why some folks didn't take a likin' to 'em... Why cain't they jest pick and sang like ever'body else? ;-) |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 09 April 2005 07:46 AM
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Gene Parsons played drums-don't know that he was a steeler-The Byrds albums I have all list him as a drummer, although he did co-invent the Parsons-White Bender-in fact, he installed it in the Tele I own. If he played steel, I've not seen it credited anywhere. JB ------------------ |
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Dave Grafe Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
posted 09 April 2005 09:54 AM
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JB, Gene does in fact play pedal steel and has for many years, but maybe not on any of the Byrds projects. That's why I have always wondered about "Yesterday's Train" - it's clearly a pedal steel on the LP, though the liner notes credit Clarence White and the bender. |
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CHIP FOSSA Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A. |
posted 09 April 2005 11:52 AM
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Here's all about Gene Parsons; www.stringbender.com |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 09 April 2005 12:30 PM
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Wow, see I never knew that. I would think if he played on something, he'd have gotten a credit though-especially being a member of the band. Although from what I've read, McGuinn went through some pretty weird ideas of how things ought to run from time to time. Be interesting to see if anyone can nail this down. Jason? You out there? JB ------------------ |
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Steve Hinson Member From: Hendersonville Tn USA |
posted 09 April 2005 02:06 PM
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"Yesterday's Train"features Sneeky Pete at the steel guitar...one of my all-time favorite steel tracks!Gene Parsons indeed plays steel-I have one of his solo albums where he plays about ten different instruments...and quite well...a great guy,too. |
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Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
posted 09 April 2005 07:56 PM
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He's got him a house on the hill. And he can play country records, till you've had your fill.. Emmy Lou had a passing fancy with Gram, and I never did get the whole story. Hickory Wind, Kiss the Children, and We'll sweep out the ashes in the morning were some of my favorites, and are to this day. I've always called it "acid country", and considering all the top name C/W tour busses that trailed cannibis smoke and black beauties over the years, I always thought GP had a little more honesty than most. Probably a lot more little blood spots on the inside arms of those nudie suits than anybody will admit. Only the dry cleaner knows for sure I guess.. Lots of sadness goes with this business over the years, that's for sure, along with all the laughs... EJL |
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CHIP FOSSA Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A. |
posted 10 April 2005 07:47 AM
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I checked out the lyrics on GP's website and I'm listening to DSTDM as I type. I used to play and sing this song for years. I know the GP website says one thing, but I hear the song lyrics like this: ..."When summer rolls around, you'll [not he'll] be lucky if he's not in town"... and..."he [not it] weighs 500lbs and he [not it] sleeps on his floor"... Makes more sense, lyrically, to me. Even tho I'm listening to the re-issue CD [Dr Byrds & Mr Hyde] the lyrics are still a bit muddy in places, so I'm not absolute on this. Small point, maybe....but it keeps the thread going on a great song. cf |
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Paul Honeycutt Member From: Colorado, USA |
posted 12 April 2005 09:57 AM
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I remember being in a stereo store once with some friends demoing speakers. DSTDM came on the radio and the salesman started to turn it off, but we made him turn it up. I still remember how good the pedal steel and Clarence's Telecaster sounded coming out of those speakers. Can't remember if my friend bought them or not. A good read if you want to know more about Gram Parsons is "Road Mangler Deluxe" by Phil Kaufman. He's been road mangler and friend of Emmylou for years. He's also the guy who stole Gram's body and burned it in Joshua Tree so his evil step father wouldn't snag Gram's inheritence. |
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John Lockney Member From: New Market, Maryland, USA |
posted 13 April 2005 08:26 AM
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There is a movie version called "Grand Theft Parsons". http://www.grandtheftmovie.com/ |
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Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA |
posted 13 April 2005 03:38 PM
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quote: I'm always interested in stuff like this. But, how did stealing Gram's body and burning it in the desert affect who inhereted Gram's estate? Just curious. |
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Mike Pace Member From: O.S. CT. USA |
posted 13 April 2005 06:04 PM
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I believe Gram had to be buried in Louisianna in order for his stepfather to receive the inheritance.... One thing that gets me about DSTDM is the way Gram introduces it on the '73 radio broadcast~ "This is a song I did with the Byrds when I was in fear of gettin my life taken from me...." ~Was he really that intimidated?!? |
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kbdrost Member From: Barrington, IL |
posted 13 April 2005 07:01 PM
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Kenny-- Actually what Chris said was: "He's still dead, Ralph." You're right, that Ralph didn't miss a beat, and most people who heard the broadcast didn't notice. That song was far more prescient than anybody gives it credit for. And LDG has some great Clarence White stories, for anybody who'd care to ask him. ------------------ |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 16 April 2005 04:10 PM
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~Was he really that intimidated?!? ----------- No, he was a showman. |
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Steve Spitz Member From: New Orleans, LA, USA |
posted 16 April 2005 04:22 PM
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To my knowledge he has a grave here in Louisiana, in Metairie, a suburb of New Orleans. I`m guessing the step-dad acted on this at some point. |
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Scott Hay Member From: El Cerrito, California, USA |
posted 16 April 2005 11:57 PM
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it's lloyd. Hi Dave Zirbel! |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 18 April 2005 01:54 AM
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Burning a body doesn't mean it's even close to gone, the remains were found in less than a 24 hour period, and were taken into family custody via the coroner, etc. The hearse to transport the body was actually spotted and Phil K. and the dude that helped were busted fairly quickly, but were only fined for burning stuff in a National Park. At least that's what I recall.
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scott murray Member From: Orange Park, FL |
posted 28 April 2005 11:06 AM
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I was under the impression that it was JayDee on that cut. In the opening bars it's hard to tell the steel from the tele, something Mr. Maness has a knack for. Maybe Lloyd or JD can clear this up. And I'd love to hear some good Clarence White stories...! |
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Craig Stock Member From: Westfield, NJ USA |
posted 28 April 2005 05:19 PM
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'Hickory Wind' the book by Ben Fong Torres is a good read and biography on Gram, He has researched everything well. I once asked Roger McGuinn about who played on 'Sweethearts' which I had thought most of was done by J.D., but Roger said it was mostly Lloyd on that disc. The Byrds box set has most of the tracks with Gram's vocals on it restored after they were taken off the original when Lee Hazelwood complained that Gram was still signed to his label (International Submarine Band) album. In the book they said the staff at the Opry, when the Byrds played there was peeved, because Gram changed songs and did Hickory Wind, His mother was in the audience that night and he did it for her. Contrary to what was written about a cold reception that they got, people in attendance said the responce from the crowd was approving. Craig [This message was edited by Craig Stock on 28 April 2005 at 05:21 PM.] |
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