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Al Carmichael Member From: Sylvan Lake, Michigan, USA |
posted 21 July 2005 12:59 AM
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Brett--They should be aiming for us, but the Hollywood mentality has overtaken everything. Truth doesn't sell in a world where illusion is king. Its not a lack of new talent. Its there. Its just that every creative writer and performer has been beaten up so bad that they feel like its not wise to tell it like it is. The industry is run by a bunch of marketing strategists and bean counters. Someday soon, some record company will take a chance on something real and maybe it will make a ton of money. Then, the whole industry will be busting their butts to give the public something "real" again. Time will tell... |
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Billy Carr Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA |
posted 21 July 2005 03:11 AM
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Well, there's some interesting opinions on this post and while I can still agree with a lot of them my bottom line is this. If I buy a CD,record album,cassette tape or even a video, it's for one reason only. Because it's got some good steel guitar on it. If I go to a concert, it's because there's a steel player I want to see and hear. In the 80's & 90's, I worked clubs playing 5 and 6 nights a week. During that time I really got fed up with the way new country was turning. Without mentioning any names they were bands that didn't use steel guitar that seemed to really hit it big in country. Even today, I just about will not sit and watch CMT/GAC if there's not steel in the mix somewhere. I support steel guitar and it's players 100%. ( I just thought about when I used to watch the reruns of Dukes Of Hazzard, it was because of the steel playing by J.D. Maness) |
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Michael Breid Member From: Eureka Springs, Arkansas, USA |
posted 30 July 2005 11:53 AM
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Charles I have to agree with you 100%. The GAC and CMT(Crappy Music Trash)know how to ruin the real spirit of country music. I'm not into the NashTrash music even though where I work we play it occasionally. I'm just glad we do some real country on the show as well as bluegrass and some jazz standards. Real music. Not this swill they are flooding the airwaves with. And the swill artists(?) aren't any better. Since when did hairy armpits, a cowboy hat, and pukka shells make you country? The grunge people who show up on the Op'ry now disgust me, and I turn it off. Most look like they just came in after an eight day drunk. Pete Fisher has done nothing but bring disgrace to the Op'ry. He stated once that he didn't want to see any grey hair on stage, to which Op'ry performer Jeannie Seely said, "Well, what do you want? We're dying as fast as we can"!! Viva la real country music. |
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Klaus Caprani Member From: Copenhagen, Denmark |
posted 30 July 2005 02:26 PM
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quote: Did he really? That would qualify as bad manners where I come from! ------------------ MCI RangeXpander S-10 3x4 |
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Brett Anderson Member From: Arizona, USA |
posted 30 July 2005 08:13 PM
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Just a guess, but Pete Fisher must be a bean counter who's only interest is the bottom line. WE see what those worried about the bottom line in the country music business have done to the music. Double digit declines in sales for the last several years. Wake up nashville music executives and smell the filth you are waste deep in. You have left behind the very people who used to buy records when the music was good. Per Mr. Fisher's comment if he did say that, good luck with your head in........... the sand. Can't we let Marty Stuart have that job? I bet he'd be great. |
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Leslie Ehrlich Member From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada |
posted 30 July 2005 11:34 PM
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Some other forum member (I can't remember who) once said "This is a steel guitar forum, not a country music forum." |
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Curt Langston Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA*** |
posted 31 July 2005 09:34 AM
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Hey Charles, I know what you mean about being politically correct. Just check out my signature, you'll see what I mean. This country is going down the toilet by trying to be "Politically Correct". Don't get me started on the ACLU. As the Incredible Hulk used to say,"Don't make me angry, you would'nt like me when I'm angry".................. Oh, almost forgot. Welcome to the Forum!  ------------------ [This message was edited by Curt Langston on 31 July 2005 at 09:34 AM.] [This message was edited by Curt Langston on 31 July 2005 at 09:36 AM.] |
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HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y. |
posted 31 July 2005 01:50 PM
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Brett Anderson Member From: Arizona, USA |
posted 05 August 2005 11:08 PM
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Leslie, It is the Steel Guitar forum. But would it be safe to say country music and steel guitar go hand in hand? In my world they do. And if you are'nt that passionate about it don't read the thread and don't post replies. No disrespect intended, but I am fearful that if somebody does'nt stand up for my music, those Nashville geniuses will have it so steel guitar is never heard on the radio at all. There are already too many songs on radio with no steel guitar. I think the argument is warranted. |
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Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA |
posted 07 August 2005 07:32 PM
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Mr. Fisher,you are slipping up,I saw one of the greatest country singers of all time on the oprey stage last night. MR.GENE WATSON.There was a lot of grey hair on his chinny,chinny,chin.Better be careful ,you may lose your teenie bopper audience.That would be a disaster in your mind.I will never quit ranting and raving about the pityful state country music is in today.I,ve heard someone say,but the top artist of today make millions and millions of dollars a year.So did Al Capone but he was still a gangster!!!!That is what is wrong today.To hell with the music just let us count the MONEY. |
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Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
posted 08 August 2005 01:44 AM
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interesting thread.... and yes this is a Steel Guitar Forum.. Not a Country Music Forum... and of course, the two are connected at the hip..but not connected exclusivley.. If you look at this Instrument as only a Traditional Country Music Entity..you will really be placing yourself into the BOX with a lock on the lid. That does not mean playing souped up R+R , but stretching what it is you do, and adding it to your musical vocabulary. I think the good news is that there are so many here that are so passionate about what it is we play... Joe Pass, Eric Clapton, Eric Johnson, BB King, Roy Nichols, Brent Mason ,Segovia, Don Rich , Chuck Berry , Robben Ford , Richie Havens , Duane Eddy , James Taylor etc. all play the exact same Instrument... and I for one am glad they do... And Paul, I've had ripped Jeans since I was about 3, It just never dawned on me at the time that I would be wearing them while playing Guitar 20 or 30 years later...( not the same ones though ) welcome aboard Charles..you certainly got off to good start here..!! And I too, being over 50, play with a couple of youngin's..so I can partially relate..except one of the youngin's, Matt Cook , is an up and coming Tele' star for sure..and he is rockin' and bendin' me right off the bandstand...maybe off the planet... I don't care what they play..each tune with this band is a whole new experience...it's pretty much..SIT IN..or SIT OUT...I choose SIT IN.. t [This message was edited by Tony Prior on 08 August 2005 at 06:46 AM.] |
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Theresa Galbraith Member From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA |
posted 08 August 2005 05:54 AM
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I love all those ripped jeans and tanks myself!  All those bean counters went to college to learn good business to make a great living. Oh well, we all have our pet peeves. |
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Klaus Caprani Member From: Copenhagen, Denmark |
posted 08 August 2005 06:54 AM
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quote: Well. It's a style in itself, and not nessesarily unprofessional. ------------------ MCI RangeXpander S-10 3x4 |
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Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 08 August 2005 07:05 AM
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I've worn some kind of uniform most of my music career, but if casual dress onstage helps these young guys to make a living, I have no problem with that. I have worn Levis and or Wranglers from since before I started to school and I am wearing a pair of Wranglers right now as I sit at this keyboard. From my youth, the wearing of a "new" pair always subjected the wearer to jokes, so it was always preferable to achieve a slightly worn look, sometimes by washing them several times before the first public wearing. (and if Mom wasn't looking, maybe even add a cup of bleach to the washing machine) They were then worn until they were almost white from hundreds of launderings, and until the seams in the crotch or seat failed from age. It was always a sad occasion to have to replace those great looking bleached jeans with an ugly new pair. Finally, here is the point of this story. In all of those almost 70 years of wearing Levis and Wranglers, some of which included hard-labor working on farms and oil fields, I never once ever wore a hole in the knees. I am just curious..."who" do the current musicians mimic, who do they believe had holes in the knees of their jeans? Bleached white and well-worn is beautiful, but the holes confuse me. ------------------ |
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ed packard Member From: Show Low AZ |
posted 08 August 2005 07:26 AM
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David W: Hank Snow's hero was Jimmy Rogers(sp?). At least one of his other inputs/influences was Newfoundland folk tunes. Gene: dang, I wish that I had grown up where you did! I had bib type, but could not wear them to school (proper New England you know). I did manage to get the knees worn through pulling weeds from the corn and bean patches. OK, now for the BIG question ... JUST WHAT IS AND IS NOT COUNTRY MUSIC? Where are the boundaries drawn? |
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Ken Thompson Member From: Great Falls, Montana, USA |
posted 08 August 2005 08:55 AM
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Interesting thread. I am 53 and the next oldest player in our band is 31 and the others are in their late 20's. Their roots are in R&R. Our "sound" is in the Richochet mold with four piece harmony with steel guitar added (me). I love the challenge and rewards of singing that kind of music with intricate harmonies. However, my personal favorite types of music to "play" is twangy steel guitar gut wrenching cry in your beer stuff. I occassionally play in another band that plays the older country stuff. It gives me an opportunity to get my "country" fix. But I love the stuff we do as well because it is just good music and it gives me the opportunity to interject the steel into songs that maybe it was not in on the cover but should have been. There's always room for steel. We recently had a classic country station try to make a go of it and failed. I realized, after listening for quite sometime, that their was a lot of old country I didn't like either. The same as it is today. I have come to realize that it is not a genre of music I like best but a particular sound. Life 4,4 walking bass stuff (Ray Price) and the basic simple country stuff that Jones put out for years. We still have some of that today. Not as much as I would like, but it is still there. I am fortunate that our major FM country radio stations play the classics as well as the new. I just listened to "Sweet Dreams" and Big & Rich. Now that is variety. The point is, there is good and bad "country" music in all decades of country music. You just have to listen to a lot garbage and wait for the diamonds to be played. |
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Brett Anderson Member From: Arizona, USA |
posted 08 August 2005 09:52 AM
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Hey Theresa, The torn pants and tanktops don't bother me much. Heck, I've been known to wear bermuda shorts with my cowboy hat and boots at some outdoor gigs and certain clubs when its 115 degrees here in Phoenix. I just love real country music. I just wish radio would play more of it. Or give us more stations. The music isn't all bad. But the newcomers who did'nt have a dad who played haggard and Marty Robbins and Johnny Cash have missed out on a wonderful style of music. My best friend growing up HATED country music and all it stood for until he heard George Strait Baby Blue. Then he bought the record. (that was in High School) That was 16 or 17 years ago. Now theres no telling how many country cds he has. My lead player Billy Patterson grew up a rock n roller but learned to love country through Don Rich. He always rambled on about how great the Beatles were and I was like yeah ok Bill. then I heard I'll Follow the Sun on the radio and I listened close for the first time. I now own several Beatles cds and we do a few of their songs in our shows. See the point? Too many people think Country started with Garth Brooks in 1989. The beancounters went to schooll to learn good business I'll grant you. But how good is it when record sales are going down every year according to Billboard? I just want more choice. I buy lots of music and will continue if given the opportunity. Charles I saw Gene on the opry last night too. Graying hair and it looks as if Gene has been eating well too. And his singing sounded better to me than alot of these newbies. And Ill bet Gene didnt have to use a pitch adjuster. P.s. Tommy White played great behind him. |
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John Billings Member From: Northfield Center, Ohio, USA |
posted 08 August 2005 12:00 PM
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Well, I don't know fer sure, but my best friend has been an audio tech in Nashville since before TNN started. And he says that most of the big decisions now are made in New York City, not Nashville. That might explain some things about todays music and appearance. |
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Drew Howard Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A. |
posted 08 August 2005 03:12 PM
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quote: Well, when you've got it, you flaunt it. I'm always amazed at the complaining from the geriatric crowd about music and clothes or lack there of. The new country music isn't like the old country music. What a shock. If you old timers want your country music buttoned up and traditioal, go to a bluegrass festival, they still wear clothes. BTW - they play country tunes, too. See you there. ------------------ |
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Brett Anderson Member From: Arizona, USA |
posted 08 August 2005 03:28 PM
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Hey Drew, I don't qualify as an old timer yet. Only 34. But you are right the bluegrass festivals are a blast. Good people and good music. |
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Franklin Member From: |
posted 09 August 2005 06:11 AM
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Brett, Billboard is accurate in its reporting about the entire music sales declining each year. But when the sales are broken down into specific music styles within labels, Country music had an increase of between 12% to 16% in 2004. Country music was the only musical genre to show an increase in sales. If this "Duke's of Hazard" movie we'll probably see another big boost in sales. Paul [This message was edited by Franklin on 09 August 2005 at 07:38 PM.] |
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Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA |
posted 09 August 2005 12:30 PM
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Thanks Tony Prior Yes it's great playing with these young kids[Ihave someone to carry my D10 in and out for me,sometimes up three flights of stairs].My old bones tell me sometimes that I will some be sixty six,but I still think nineteen.That makes me five years younger than my twentyfour year old bandleader!!! I really appreciate your welcome.Thanks again. |
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