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Bill Hankey
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From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

posted 30 November 2006 02:47 AM     profile     

A drifting and wandering mind can raise havoc with an avowal to maintain regular practice sessions. A training routine to focus solely on the steel guitar while in practice, is comparable to keeping only the best tools to do repairs. Mixing priorities has a slight damnifying effect, which in turn produces a stultifying stunted reversal to progression on the steel guitar. I welcome voices in this matter.
Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 30 November 2006 03:42 AM     profile     
Yep.
Mark Edwards
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From: Weatherford,Texas, USA

posted 30 November 2006 04:37 AM     profile     
Bill - I can't have a good practice session in my home unless no one else is here but me. I mean I can practice but there are always some sort of diversions, i.e. phone, wife, dog etc...

I have found that my better practice sessions are here at the house alone. Dog goes into kennel (she's only a puppy), wife is gone, phone is turned off. Then and only then do I get to really focus/concentrate on a specific goal/song/whatever.

Also I may get some really great lessons in when my instructor can come over, and we send the wives out on some misson of sorts, so that there are no further interuptions. I know that in todays world there are so many distractions, and Lord knows I need all the practice I can get (I suck when it comes to playing the steel). But I find that I learn more when I can just focus on playing/learning something new.

I'd like to hear from others on how their better pracitce sessions go. Bill thanks for a great thread.

basilh
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From: United Kingdom

posted 30 November 2006 04:39 AM     profile     
Wishing not to meander, and avoiding bumf-twaddle, my expected diatribe and vitriolic quill, purporting not to deviate from my practising, I decided on an abbreviated reply,...(somewhat of a change)
"I concur !".
Baz

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Ken Byng
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From: Southampton, England

posted 30 November 2006 05:43 AM     profile     
The power to excogitate is an exemplarary facility of an unencumbered mind. Using a practice session as a cynosure is highly beneficial.

Now - what was I just trying to learn?

Andy Sandoval
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From: Bakersfield, California, USA

posted 30 November 2006 06:39 AM     profile     
I dunno wat you guys are sayin so I will go and pracktis my stel gitar amb make sum butiful musak.
Barry Blackwood
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From: elk grove, CA

posted 30 November 2006 06:42 AM     profile     
Not to mention a drifting and wandering bar, and the havoc IT can raise....

[This message was edited by Barry Blackwood on 30 November 2006 at 06:43 AM.]

Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 30 November 2006 06:44 AM     profile     
quote:
A drifting and wandering mind can raise havoc with an avowal to maintain regular practice sessions
Oh, I definitely agree as I believe I have already amply demonstrated in your collateral thread.
Joe Casey
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From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

posted 30 November 2006 07:43 AM     profile     
Can a dirty mind have that same effect? if so move aside for one more.
Bill Hankey
Member

From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

posted 30 November 2006 09:19 AM     profile     

The wood splinters fly whenever suppressed negative uptake finds an avenue to expel its frustration. A chance reminder that steel guitar progessiveness hinges on following the examples set, by those who actually have reached high levels of achievement. Guffaw can be a detriment for those who wish to settle down to serious practice.
Joe Miraglia
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From: Panama, New York USA

posted 30 November 2006 10:09 AM     profile     
Why is it that when Bill Hankey starts posting,other people stop writing in English? They start using dem big words. I can practice, drink coffee, eat a sandwich and read the Forum at the same time. Joe
Rick Collins
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From: Claremont , CA USA

posted 30 November 2006 10:18 AM     profile     
Bill, I believe you've just described a disease, ADD.
Bill Hankey
Member

From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

posted 30 November 2006 03:08 PM     profile     

Rick C.,

I'm thinking rather than name attention deficit disorder, perhaps examining the methodology of techniques that appear to be obvious, but in reality there exists a pattern that escapes notice. Tracing a skillful maneuver of the hands, may reveal parts and pieces of how something is done, but the little added twist determines the success of replicating a system.

Joe Miraglia
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From: Panama, New York USA

posted 30 November 2006 04:12 PM     profile     
b0b My I suggest you start selling dictionary books on the forum,so we could all learn about steel guitar. Joe
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 30 November 2006 06:23 PM     profile     
These children are learning about the steel guitar in this easy-to-use dictionary.

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Eddie Cunningham
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From: Massachusetts, USA

posted 30 November 2006 07:16 PM     profile     
I love Hawaiian music so that I can go "Drifting and Dreaming" !!

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Joe Miraglia
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From: Panama, New York USA

posted 30 November 2006 07:20 PM     profile     
Doug, Joe www.willowcreekband.com
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 30 November 2006 07:21 PM     profile     
There's nothing like it!

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Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 30 November 2006 07:23 PM     profile     
Joe, I played in a band called Willow Creek back in the... er, 1970s! When I saw your link I did a double take!

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George Redmon
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From:

posted 30 November 2006 08:40 PM     profile     
most often when i set down to practice i don't mind people coming or going, loud voices, and things going on. And someone occasionally saying something to me.It puts me in the same amphonsphere as i am practicing so hard to be in.....
James Morehead
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From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA

posted 30 November 2006 09:22 PM     profile     
I'm like George, I practice during "less than ideal" situations, which occasionally happen all the time for me. But it's still the same drill----"Wax on, Wax off".
Ken Lang
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From: Simi Valley, Ca

posted 30 November 2006 09:41 PM     profile     
I forget, which hand do you hold that shiny little bar in?
Colby Tipton
Member

From: Texas, USA

posted 01 December 2006 01:27 AM     profile     
My wife can come in the room and talk to me for 10 minutes while I'm playing my steel and when she gets finished I ask her, What did you say? She just drifts out of the room after that.

Colby

Bill Hankey
Member

From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

posted 01 December 2006 02:30 AM     profile     

"Have you ever seen the rain",... no.. seriously, a sort of rain, when you walk away from the steel feeling defeated. Follow it up by playing a CD recording of Doug Jernigan playing "The Orange Blossom Special", or "Black Mountain Rag" and suddenly you may realize that there is much work to be done. Playing the steel guitar is very physical. I'm not convinced that any other method exists, such as looking cool as if there is nothing to it, but to do it. Success at the steel guitar may boil down to explicitly defining gains, which are accomplished incrementally. Possessing the ability to "get a handle" on stock "languages" with bar placements, which facilitate and yield desirable tones; is the key. Consider a possible hang-up in the popular quote, "I did it my way". Not necessarily going all out to abandon originality, it may be better to keep in mind that inroads to better playing are now traversable. Tabulation is a fine example of the shortest route to better understanding of the steel guitar.


[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 01 December 2006 at 02:39 AM.]

Joe Miraglia
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From: Panama, New York USA

posted 01 December 2006 07:21 AM     profile     
Doug, The name is the same, the band has been changed to protect the innocent. Will the real Willow creek please stand up. Joe
Bill Hankey
Member

From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

posted 01 December 2006 11:28 AM     profile     

Joe M.,

The last time that I heard "The Willow Creek Band", they were playing a benefit gig in Adams, MA. I was there playing pedal steel in the "Easy Livin' Band". About 5 bands participated in the event. I'll ask Doug B. if there were two "Willow Creek Bands". Who would think?

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 01 December 2006 at 12:11 PM.]

Joe Casey
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From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

posted 01 December 2006 03:12 PM     profile     
Just wondering Doug,Are Mark Erlich Jim Armanti still playing around the area? I can't believe it's been 16 years since those monday nights at the RH.And your still ticking like a new TIMEX with an energizer battery. I guess you started real young Heh? Willow Creek band. wow.When I was up the first part of this month I found out Al Cote had been hospitalized. I did get to sit in with JR at the AMVETS.Sure felt good. Ve gedt too soon Oltd und too late Smardt.
Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 01 December 2006 10:16 PM     profile     
Joe, actually it's been 20 years since those Monday & Tuesday nights at the Ranch House (early and mid-80s). I was also playing Wed-Sunday at Billy T's back then... 7 nights a week for about 4 years. Thank goodness those days are over!

Jim Armenti is still playing in the area with a couple of bands. He teaches guitar with me at Downtown Sounds. Mark E. "retired" from music at a young age, and got into sales. He never played again. I was surprised at that.

Bill, was I playing at that gig in Adams? I don't remember it... the memory's the first thing to go. You don't wanna know what's next!

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Bill Hankey
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From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

posted 02 December 2006 01:46 AM     profile     

Doug,

I've been trying to piece together the memory of the Adams, MA event. I remember that the late Aldo Recchia was there. He had suffered a stroke while performing at the Home Club, and wasn't able to communicate by speaking. He did manage however, to write small notes to ask for help, and to make requests. Assisted by a cane, he made his way to edge of the stage several times to request "Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain". For some reason I associate your presence on that day with the large gathering. The memory fade can be dealt with more accurately, if I check with the "front" person in my former band. His memory surprises me. By ascertaining the exact date of the benefit, it can be narrowed down to more specific categories of thought.

Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 03 December 2006 11:02 AM     profile     
I think that show was at the Adams Armory, and I was playing with Leigh Howell & the Mavericks. There were several bands that day, possibly Willow Creek was there, but I had left WC by that time. The year would have been '83 or '84. My mind "drifts" on this one.

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Bill Hankey
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From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

posted 03 December 2006 04:07 PM     profile     

Doug, the culprit memory is a silent robber that stores much of our daily activities in the recesses of our minds. As we pull up pertinent data that is stored, much escapes recall. "I can't remember" has been uttered millions of times with good reason. At times incidental happenings will trigger a long forgotten participation in a particular activity. Trusting in memory has proven by no uncertain terms, to be a foolhardy practice. Errors can and do hastily mount, which can be costly, and deprive us of assurances that safeguard our personal interests. Our music is interrelated by memory stores that are at times faulted by a poor recall to exact details. Attention drift is worth considering to counter the hindrance of memory failure.

Darryl Hattenhauer
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From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA

posted 03 December 2006 04:40 PM     profile     
Bill,
If I know something well, I practice with a lot of noise and distractions in an effort to train myself to tolerate just one per cent of what pros have to tolerate. I do that with mando, 6-string, and _anjo. Not good enough on steel yet.

Doug,
What's that painting?

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Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 03 December 2006 08:34 PM     profile     
Darryl,

The picture is on this site

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Bill Hankey
Member

From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

posted 04 December 2006 03:09 AM     profile     

Darryl H.,

I've been curious about your level of playing the steel guitar. Would you satisfy my curiosity by making reference to specific knee lever changes on your steel? I'd be very interested to learn which songs you prefer to play as a practice routine. Not to downgrade the banjo, mandolin, or fiddle, but to hone in on the specifics of playing steel guitar. There would undoubtedly be endless discussions relating to technique and approaches, should you and others open up, by expressing concepts in detail. I don't think anyone can accuse me of not banging on a few doors here on the forum. I hope to find ways to liberate the thoughts of others who share a similar interest in our favorite musical instrument.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 04 December 2006 at 03:12 AM.]

Darryl Hattenhauer
Member

From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA

posted 04 December 2006 07:23 PM     profile     
Doug,

Same fabulous stuff there. Do you know what some of less expensive prints go for?

Bill,

Unfortunately, I'm only a beginner on steel. I started in the 50s on banjo, mando, and guitar. I transferred a lot of techniques from one instrument to the other, so my playing is kind of gimmicky--Scruggs mando, frailed guitar, etc. Since I was never any good, I don't really play instruments to make music. Instead, I play them to appreciate them for the miracles that they are.

I didn't try steel until about a decade ago, and as soon as I did I broke my back, so I have to admit that I probably won't learn pedals and knees. But I keep a psg in the hope that I can eventually do something. I don't want to sell the psg because I don't want it in the back of my mind that I gave up. But in the meantime, I'm thinking about getting a lap or reso.

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Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 04 December 2006 09:41 PM     profile     
Darryl, I don't know much about that site. I just ran across it the other day.

BTW I saw some of your postings on the Guild Guitar Forum. Do you own an X-350?

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Darryl Hattenhauer
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From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA

posted 05 December 2006 08:52 AM     profile     
Doug,

The Guild forum is very different because it's so small. We have a lot of fun joking with each other and wandering off topic. There's a nutty New Zealander on there named Coastie who ought to be doing stand-up.

Hans Moust, the guy who wrote The Guild Book, posts whenever there is a factual question about Guilds, and there are several other frequent posters who are technically proficient.

I have an X550 with two P90s, and a Duane Eddy with two D'Armonds.I don't have an X 350 or any other 3-pickup guitars because I'm used to having a lot of space between pickups. I'm not good enough to keep my fingerpicks from hitting the middle pickup. But those old three-pickup Guild and Gibson archtops have the world's highest CGF (cool guy factor).

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Stan Paxton
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From: Deland, Fl, USA

posted 05 December 2006 06:47 PM     profile     
Bill H.,
I find your posts interesting to say the least; are you relation to or just a student of Professor Corey ?
Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 05 December 2006 07:45 PM     profile     
Darryl, I have a ‘62 sunburst X-350 with three soapbar P-90 style pickups (Franz pickups). Yes, the CGF is very high. I often play that guitar in my classic country band and it commands a lot of attention on stage!

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Darryl Hattenhauer
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From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA

posted 05 December 2006 09:59 PM     profile     
Doug,

How are the tweener tones on that? Are they lower volume like on a strat?

Stan,

Sometimes Bill has a lot of fun with his posts, and sometimes he is straightforward (maybe because he doesn't always have a lot of time). But either way, he has a lot of good topics and points. Bill has quite a following. A lot of us nuts look forward to his posts no matter how he writes them.

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