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BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 24 May 2002 09:03 AM     profile     
Aw c'mon David, I'll send you a wrench!
Wayne Baker
Member

From: Vacaville California

posted 24 May 2002 09:23 AM     profile     
I watched the video and its absolutely awsome. I would like to be able to play like that. I ordered the all pull maintenance video too. Hopefully it will tell me whether to remove the pedals with a hacksaw or a hammer and chisel.

Wayne Baker

[This message was edited by Wayne Baker on 24 May 2002 at 09:24 AM.]

guitar543
Member

From: Kent, Oh

posted 25 May 2002 05:36 AM     profile     
I would like to ask how many of you players have studied BE's course "learn to play pedal stel guitar" put out by Emmons Guitar Co. in the 1970's. It consists of 10 Ray Price tunes done as instrumentals.Highly melodic stuff. Most of what BE plays can be done w/ a+b pedals and e lower lever.He rarely uses f lever and most times it is as a passing chord (aug.) going to a 1V chord w/a pedal.(this can be done w/bar slants) My point being that with combining his "trick lever" with the e lower change, I believe Bobbe's video probably really does offer a solid foundation to learning steel w/ the set up he teaches. Mike DiAlesandro (besides Bobbe was real nice to my wife and I when we visited his store a couple of years ago!)
Frank Parish
Member

From: Nashville,Tn. USA

posted 25 May 2002 11:44 AM     profile     
Bobbe,
Maybe I'm way off here but I keep hearing you say "this tuning". Is this a different tuning than the standard E9 or is it a tape that will open your eyes to more ways to use these two knee levers that we may not have thought of before? I'm thinking it's the second choice here but just wondered. Also this is yet another good reason not to have the two E knee levers split up. If the lever lowering the E was on the RKL and the lever lowering the D# were on the RKR which is pretty much standard with most of us, you wouldn't be able to use the two knee levers together. I've got Tommy Whites Hot Licks video and it makes good use of these two knee levers as well. As for having the 7th string raise on the lever that lowers the 2nd and 9th strings are concerned, I've had that on my guitar for at least 12 years and wouldn't be without it although I'm only raising my 7th string a half step. I have had it raise the 7th a whole step but found it to be too hard a pull and it would make the whole guitar move to use it. Of course I'm playing an Emmons P/P and it may be a little harder on this guitar than an all-pull too.
slick
Member

From: Calhoun Georgia

posted 25 May 2002 12:12 PM     profile     
Hey Bobbe,
I got her upside down and i got my wrench out,im gonna do it.


S---k
Wayne Broyles

Jerry Hayes
Member

From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 25 May 2002 02:52 PM     profile     
Hey guys (and gals),
I haven't seen the video but I have a pretty good idea of what Bobbe's doing I think! I don't have it on a knee but I have used the whole tone raise on string 7 for a long time now. I use it at the pedal 1 position to the left of my A pedal like Tom Brumley does. Just by using that change and lowering my E's I can play a very nice version of Last Date and some other nice things. Also if you do the position say in the key of A where you got an A at the 8th fret by using pedal A and the E to F lever. If you've got an all pull guitar, just go to the 8th fret with your C pedal and lower string 4 against it with your E to D# lever. I'm really interested in simplifying my tuning. Last year I gave up the Universal after over 20 years and went back to a simpler E9 based tuning.
Back to Bobbe's setup! I can see some nice augmented positions on this and also some diminished chord voicings with it. It's really a great breakthrough when you analyze it. More with less! What could be wrong with that. Also by lowering the D to C# on the 9th string you can get the first voicing of Nightlife in C at the 3rd fret by playing strings 4,5, & 9. Keep it up Bobbe, I think you're on to something.

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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney tuning.

abraham
Member

From: Eagleville, TN

posted 25 May 2002 02:59 PM     profile     
Hey Guys, YOU MUST LISTEN TO ME!!! I've just watched it, and have tried the set-up, and you must beleive me that you won't loose anything, you will gain. I will still have 4 knee levers. In fact, and if you don't get anything else out of my review, just take in this.

You will NOT loose anything you've already learned. You will only gain.

I will have a knee that lowers E's and one that raises E's. (This is standard to have both on one side, of course). I will label these as knees 1 and 2. On the other side will be the trick knee lever (knee 3). Usually knee 3 would raise string 1 a full step, and lower string 6 a full step. Well, my fourth lever will do what my 3rd use to do. So, you will not lose anything you've learned. Now, remember, this is just what I'm doing. You can do what ever you want, as long as you have this trick lever, and you must have the knee that lowers the E's on the opposite leg.

This lever will revolutionize everything I've learned. Not only will I be able to play what I have already learned, I will be able to add to it, and broaden my styles.

You must watch the video to get the full potential. Otherwise, you won't know what you're doing. It's not hard at all. Please don't judge until you've actually sat down and tried it.

Remember, it won't hurt you in anyway, because you won't lose any of your old functions. It can only help you.

I hope this has helped someone.

Bobbe has really got something here, and, everyone, it's definately worth a look.

You guys cannot honestly tell me you've never said to yourself, "Well, if I could only have a knee lever that did this or that." You get it with this setup, only you don't have 40 knee levers floating around.

And, your pedals will stay the same. All that's changing is one knee lever.

Even if you don't think it's for you, just watch the video. Try it out. You will change your mind. When I first seen it, I had my setup changed immediately. I've never been more free!!!!!!!

[This message was edited by abraham on 25 May 2002 at 03:42 PM.]

chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 26 May 2002 03:07 PM     profile     
quote:
Try it out. You will change your mind. I've never been more free!!!!!!!
That's a scary thought.
Johnny Cox
Member

From: The great state of Texas

posted 27 May 2002 07:13 PM     profile     
TRICK LEVER: MMMMMMMM
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 27 May 2002 08:30 PM     profile     
Yes Johnny, it is sort of a funny thing to call it, maybe a "combo lever", or a combination pull lever, naw, it needs to be a short name, like a "Z" lever, you know, the last one you'll ever need to install, yes, the Bobbe Zeymour "Z" lever, that will work, I liked your suggestion but "MMMMMMM" is just to long, and it's to hard to spell, and it means too many other things,like MMMMMM, she looks good, or MMMMMMMM, these ribs is reel gud, or maybe , MMMMMMMM this knee lever really does deserve looking into a little more, Naw, a Zum with three necks doesn't kneed one! ( A Zum with a "Z" lever?)

Levers and pedals, A thru Z, the end is upon us!


Bobbe Zeymour

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 27 May 2002 at 08:31 PM.]

Rick Tyson
Member

From: Ohio

posted 27 May 2002 09:48 PM     profile     
Hi Bobbe,,,was getting ready to place an order online with the old Master Card but was wondering if your site is secure?? didnt see the little pad-lock at the bottom??? or do I need new glasses
Thanks, Rick
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 28 May 2002 08:18 AM     profile     
Rick, you need new glasses. Yes, we pay a lot of money for a secured site. As someone posted previously, you are much more secure ordering on line than giving you card to a watress in a resturant and having her disappear with it for 15 min.
And thank you Rick, You get an awful lot of information for $24.95 in this tape.What else can you buy for this little an amount that will change your life forever? ( Don't answer that!)
Bobbe------------>

P.S. We are already working on a suppliment that Doug Jernigan will tab out.
Called: "Instant Steel Guitar for Dummys".
Garrenteed to make you play quicker than you learned to type!
Vance Monday
Member

From: Bella Vista, AR, USA

posted 28 May 2002 10:27 AM     profile     
I just received the video and after looking at it once, I agree with Bobbe..I have a old 72 Sho Bud with two knee levers that I have been playing that way for years..I do have to twist the bar once in awhile but to me that is part of playing steel. I have played for lots of the Nashville entertainers and never had a complaint. I am excited about the new set up and I don't think it will take long to adjust..Thanks Bobbe for the quick service on the tape and the strings.
Don Walters
Member

From: Regina, SK, Canada

posted 28 May 2002 04:43 PM     profile     
Bobbe, call it something other than "Z" or we'll have cross-border problems. We say "zed" up here, not "zee". After all, if you listen to Roy T. ...

[This message was edited by Don Walters on 28 May 2002 at 04:44 PM.]

[This message was edited by Don Walters on 28 May 2002 at 04:45 PM.]

BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 28 May 2002 07:37 PM     profile     
Zed? Not "Z"?

Vance, thank you, I'm sure you are going to find that a lot of very easy to obtain music will be forth coming to an amplifier near you soon. I did this video three weeks ago and I had been playing this set-up less than a month at that time. I have found a renewed interest in practising since I've found this particular breakthrough change. I have found many new and fun, easy to play and learn things since then. I know there will be several players that will be leaving my meager skills in the dust soon and I am going to be very intrested to see where the great, new, young minds will go with it. I will have Doug Jernigan tab out at least one song that encompasses all I have learned. This should be a good launching pad for fertile minds to run with.

Bobbe Zedmour?

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 28 May 2002 at 07:52 PM.]

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 28 May 2002 at 07:58 PM.]

Larry Bell
Member

From: Englewood, Florida

posted 28 May 2002 07:51 PM     profile     
Come and listen to my ztory
'Bout a man named Zed . . .
sorry -- I just HAD to -- the devil made me do it

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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Emmons D-10 9x9, 1971 Dobro

BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 28 May 2002 07:56 PM     profile     
Larry, ah huh?

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 30 May 2002 at 06:53 AM.]

Steel tryin
Member

From: Macon, Ga.

posted 30 May 2002 01:12 PM     profile     
Bobbe, I'm playing a U12. You raise 9th string B to D for E9. There is still a lower B string for voicing. Is this pull to raise B-C# and F#-G# too much for one lever??
Steel tryin
Member

From: Macon, Ga.

posted 30 May 2002 01:32 PM     profile     
Bobbe, This may be a repeat but I play U12.
This lever will require 2 separate full step raises B-C# and F#-G# along with 2nd 1/2 step lower. This seems a LOAD on one knee lever.
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 30 May 2002 07:04 PM     profile     
Steel Tryin', this question can't be answered
with out knowing what brand of steel you have but I feel sure no matter what it is, it could be intstalled to work properly, easily, and tune well. We have done similar changes on GFI, Emmons, Zum, Sho-Bud.
We have experienced no problems with these steel guitars.
Al Marcus
Member

From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 14 August 2004 09:10 AM     profile     
This is a late reply but I can see what Bobbe Seymour means and what he is trying to say.
with that knee lever he is turning a E9 tuning into of E6. With the 2nd string D, he gets D dininshied,pick 2-5-6
A high E7 apreggio,string pick-4 -2-5-6
E9-stringss pick-6-5-2-1
Full E6-pick strings 10-9-8-7-5
Lots of pro chords there to play with....al

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My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/

Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 14 August 2004 09:57 AM     profile     
quote:
I'll be playing the Nashville Palace Sun. Mon. and Tues.

Wow! Bobbe back at the Palace! I'm sure glad I got to see you there a couple of years ago. So, tell me, did someone "make the an offer they couldn't refuse"? Or did they just decide to stop being stupid and put some good music in there again?

As far as I'm concerned, without a good band there...the Palace has nothing to recommend it.

Jim Smith
Member

From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 14 August 2004 11:10 AM     profile     
Bobbe's post about being at the Palace was from two years ago!
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 14 August 2004 04:10 PM     profile     
So...if he hasn't been back there, can I assume they're still stupid?
Mike Archer
Member

From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA

posted 14 August 2004 06:50 PM     profile     

well I have played the 5 knee lever
set up a long time and I am going to get
bobbies video on order and check it out
the 2 lever set up sounds good to me
I might just try it
bobbies always been right every time I
have delt with him or bought from him
his videos are great!
John Poston
Member

From: Albuquerque, NM, USA

posted 20 August 2004 11:07 AM     profile     
Don,

You make a good point. Actually I feel that we Americans should switch to 'Zed' as well.

That way we can call the advocates of this Z lever 'Zed Heads'.

Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 20 August 2004 11:52 AM     profile     
Having now lived in the USA for seven years, I still remain faithful to my English traditions - it's 'zed' for me, and evermore will be so.

Anyway, as we sit down to play our instruments, and IF we were to incorporate Bobbe's suggestion, we could be said to have a 'zedentary' occupation....

'Bored' in Naples

[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 20 August 2004 at 02:19 PM.]

Farris Currie
Member

From: Ona, Florida, USA

posted 21 August 2004 10:43 AM     profile     
hello to all,sat.1:51pm.just got elec.back in
little over a week, we live in the greatest
nation on earth.much of our state has been
destroyed,never have i ever seen so many people come to the rescue.I see steel guitar
as the same,what Bobbe is doing is the greatest thing for players like me!! I'm having a pro 1 built buy Duane, and for sure
want it set up that way.GOD bless you BOBBE
and all you do. farris currie
Farris Currie
Member

From: Ona, Florida, USA

posted 21 August 2004 10:52 AM     profile     
Hello to all. just got elec.back on,off for
8 days.we live in the greatest nation on earth,never seen so many people come in time
of need.Many of our towns in Fl. are pretty
well destroyed. I see steel guitar the same;
there is good help provided from people like
Bobbe who is there for us.I'm having Duane
build me a pro 1, and for sure want it setup
the way Bobbe is teaching. Thank you BOBBE
GOD BLESS YOU ALL. FARRIS
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 22 August 2004 08:04 PM     profile     
Well guys, good news, a new advanced "Zed" or "Z" lever video is being planed to be shot this week. It will cover some more tunes and will make what you have already learned even more "recallable" and useable.
I use this "Z" lever with a 5 lever guitar, but five levers is over kill. What this lever will do with just the "E" lower lever is astonishing, with almost no practice. Yep, just two levers will do more than you can believe. Big stuff do-able on the little E9th tuning.

bobbe

Terry Sneed
Member

From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA

posted 25 August 2004 07:48 AM     profile     
Hey Bobbe, My RKL lowers my E's and my LKL lowers my 2nd and 9th strings a half, but it don't have the 7 raise on it. so if I add the 7 raise on it then I'll have the Z lever? right? is LKL a good place to have this lever? thanks
Terry

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84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.


BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 27 August 2004 09:20 AM     profile     
Correct Terry, lower #2 1/2 step, lower #9 1/2 step and raise #7 one whole step on the same knee.
I have just finished two "Z" lever video sessions, new studio, professionally done, split screen, etc. It shows how to play different things that you can only do with this set-up, and shows you slowly and clearly. I'm selling these tapes for only $39.90 for the complete two hour course.
After viewing the first one I did three years ago and seeing the tremendous interest in this lever, I decided to redo the entire video tape method. Any of you that have the original tape will find these next two tapes much higher quality and contain more detailed instruction.
Just call me and ask for the new Z lever tape set, #39.90 plus shipping. This would be a deal at half the price!
bobbe

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