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Topic: Fender PS 210
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Dustin Rigsby
Member From: Columbus, Ohio
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posted 15 December 2004 10:38 PM
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I was never quite clear whether these guitars were ever built. If they were,how many? Does anyone know of any survivors. You see quite a few 400/1000 & 800/2000 on ebay,but I have yet to see a ps210.------------------
D.S. Rigsby
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Dustin Rigsby
Member From: Columbus, Ohio
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posted 15 December 2004 10:40 PM
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I found it...close this thread.------------------
D.S. Rigsby
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Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 16 December 2004 01:59 AM
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I believe 15 Fender PS-210s were built in the early 1970s. Only a few of these PSGs have been accounted for.Howard, picture please. Roger |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 16 December 2004 02:14 AM
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Thank you Gene Fields  |
Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 16 December 2004 04:17 AM
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There's a little bit about these guitars on the Steel Guitars of Hampton Roads website which is: www.evertize.com/sutphin Just go to the column on the left and click on "Vintage Steels".....JH------------------
Livin' in the Past and Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning. |
Dustin Rigsby
Member From: Columbus, Ohio
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posted 16 December 2004 07:45 AM
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I did a forum search and found a thread in which both Jody Carver AND Gene Fields put thier input in. I guess I should have done that BEfore I took up bandwidth------------------
D.S. Rigsby
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Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 16 December 2004 09:58 AM
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That Fender PS-210 was the guitar of the future in 1972. Too bad they didn't develop it further and kept it on the market. I played one in 1972 for a weekend and it was Great.......al  ------------------
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Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 16 December 2004 12:09 PM
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I played one at a music eq show at the old Munincipal Auditorium (Nashville)in 1972. The demo model Fender had also had a (removeable) seat attached to the steel.Maybe Johnny Cox remembers more about it, he was with me. |
Chris Lucker
Member From: Los Angeles, California USA
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posted 16 December 2004 12:25 PM
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Blackie Taylor has one for sale in his shop.
The inside neck was converted to playing fingered chords -- raised and fretted fretboard -- but Blackie has the parts to return the guitar to "originalish."
Blackie Taylor (951)686-4010 in Riverside, California. |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 16 December 2004 06:03 PM
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From The Archives of Howard R.Buried down deep in the mine.
Fender PS 210 Jody Carver search under PS 210 under Jody Carver.The thread has been closed because of a bean attack..try it you'll like it. Look under Pedal Steel and
bingo,boom,uh oh  [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 16 December 2004 at 06:05 PM.]
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CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 17 December 2004 12:09 AM
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Howard, could you post that pic of you, the PS 210 & the can o' beans here ?
sure was a goodie
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HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 17 December 2004 05:54 AM
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This was the centerfold of the Fender 1972 catalog. A Keyless steel with a pantless player.
BTW, there's been some talk of clowns on this forum. Well, that's b0b's doing. We all look like clowns with these hats on...
high to low...Emmett Kelly, Clyde Beatty, Bozo, Ronald McDonald, unknown, possibly Joey Ace? ok, it was Christmas time and the smileys had Santa hats
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KENNY KRUPNICK
Member From: Grove City,Ohio
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posted 17 December 2004 08:21 AM
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This Fender steel reminds me of a Sierra Gearless. |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 17 December 2004 11:39 AM
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Quote a dedicated steel guitarist...
This Fender steel reminds me of a Sierra Gearless. ,,,,,,,the hell with the Sierra
Look at the legs and they are telescoping as well. Beans Anyone BOOOM.
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HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 17 December 2004 02:16 PM
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Real men wear pants....Here's the real man behind his creation, Gene Fields at the PSGA 2003 show
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Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 17 December 2004 03:12 PM
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Anyone have a picture of the underside?I recall looking at Gene's PS 210. No rods or cables.
It had plates (there must be a better word for them). |
Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 17 December 2004 04:09 PM
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Howard, is that really you in the photo with the beans and no pants, and was that really in the Fender catalog? If it was.... no wonder they only made about 15 of them... I had a Fender catalog with the PS210 in it but don't remember that photo. |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 17 December 2004 07:34 PM
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 Yep, not the best selling point. Here's the link.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/003861.html
It was funny, but there was a lot of history in that thread and quite interesting. The can, the spoon, the lack of pants,....it all makes sense....maybe nonsense but nevertheless some important history was covered.
The only disadvantage of the 210 was it's weight. I guess all steels were weighty in those days, but the 210 weighed "more than a boat anchor" quote Pete Burak. I awkwardly weighed it on a bathroom scale....60 lbs! out of the case. The string spacing is one of it's excellent features....11/32 straight across from nut to bridge. Everything about this steel was well engineered and way ahead of its time. Even by today's standards, this steel is still ahead of its time. I'll try to round up photos of the under belly.[This message was edited by HowardR on 17 December 2004 at 07:35 PM.] |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 17 December 2004 08:37 PM
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Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 17 December 2004 08:57 PM
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What can I say but WOW!!! |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 18 December 2004 12:26 AM
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Quite a concept !
Thanx Howard |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 18 December 2004 03:22 AM
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quote:
"I'll try to round up photos of the under belly."
Thanks HR!I glad you understood I wanted pictures of the guitar's underbelly. |
Jon Graboff
Member From: NYC, NY
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posted 18 December 2004 08:24 AM
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Here’s another interesting photo of the pedal steel in question. This photo from 1972 shows Ricky Fataar (later to achieve cult status as “Stig O’Hara” of the Rutles) along with Blondie Chaplin, Al Jardine, Mike Love and Carl Wilson in a 1972 Fender promo shot. In my limited search, I have not been able to find any evidence that Mr. Fataar ever actually played steel with the Beach Boys, or with anyone else for that matter. The answer to your next question; who played pedal steel on the Beach Boys version of “Cotton Fields”? Red Rhodes! |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 18 December 2004 10:13 AM
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Arizona Music Center in Glendale, Arizona let me take one out on trial for a whole weekend. No deposit or anything.
Of course, they wanted me to buy it. The one I had was 9 pedals and no knee levers.
I see in Howard's photo of Gene's PS-210 it had 5 pedals and 4 knee levers.
Just perfect for each neck, with the crossover. Williams now has a crossover with 5 and 5. b0b has one.
It played real good and I liked it. But it was, as Said, very HEAVY. It retailed for $1500.for the D10 and I could get a PP Emmons D10 for $1000. 8 and 4....so....al ------------------
My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/ |
Gene Jones
Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 18 December 2004 10:26 AM
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*[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 02 April 2006 at 10:20 AM.] |
Jon Graboff
Member From: NYC, NY
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posted 18 December 2004 01:21 PM
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Ok, here's a new wrinkle. The photos submitted by Crowbar Scmmitt and HowardR differ in two obvious details from the one I posted. The steel pictured with Ricky Fataar has a volume and tone knob in front of the forward neck and the leg sockets form a kind of a step that juts out of the front apron! Obviously there was more than one model 'cause the one I posted is an S-10. Perhaps this is the reason for the differences. Were D-10s and an S-10s standard production models? Any guesses? |
Roy Ayres
Member From: Starke, Florida, USA
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posted 18 December 2004 02:34 PM
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When I worked with Gene Fields at Fender in the 60's he was already trying to talk the "powers that be" into abandoning the cable idea and he was working in his head on some new, innovative ideas. I don't really know, but my guess is that Gene personally designed and either built or supervised the building of the models that were sold -- the differences from one model to the next being a result of the evolution of Gene's ideas. I notice in the under-belly pictures that he used the frictionless "knife-edge fulcrum" in the design of this axe. Gene was also talking about his ideas regarding the keyless tuning concept. In case you don't lnow it, Gene is a steel guitar design genius. ------------------
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Dustin Rigsby
Member From: Columbus, Ohio
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posted 18 December 2004 07:14 PM
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Also, today I saw a Harlin Bros. Multi-Kord for the first time at a music store. Sure was interesting. I understood Gene to say that he improved the Harlin Changer concept for the P.S. 210. I am fairly impressed with the G.F.I. guitar as well. I had the chance to look at one last weekend at the OSGA jam. It belonged to Mr. Donny Boggs. He sure did make it sound good. I really like Genes Keyless tuning design. Those big knobs are great for fat fingered folks like me. ------------------
D.S. Rigsby
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Brian Herder
Member From: Philadelphia, Pa. USA
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posted 01 April 2006 09:29 AM
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I have some live recordings of the Beach Boys from 1974. There is pedal steel on "Marcella" and "California Saga:California". I'm pretty sure it was Ricky Fataar playing. Sounds like a thin slide guitar for the most part. Don't know what make steel it was though. |
Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 01 April 2006 10:17 AM
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There is also steel on one of the songs from the "Carl And the Passions's, So Tough" LP. I believe this was cut during the time Ricky Fataar was with the band, but I could be mistaken,
_____________I remember seeing the 210 at Blackie Taylor's shop. I don't know if he still has it though. |
Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 01 April 2006 10:21 AM
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It looks like Ricky Fataar is playing a single 12 in the picture. |
John Billings
Member From: Northfield Center, Ohio, USA
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posted 01 April 2006 11:14 AM
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Howard R, those underbelly pics kinda remind me of the Ric pedal steel I almost bought a couple of years ago. |
John Billings
Member From: Northfield Center, Ohio, USA
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posted 01 April 2006 11:19 AM
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Howard, I just checked that old thread, and you had posted some pics of the 210 there. I just got confused in my old age as to which was which! |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 01 April 2006 02:05 PM
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Maybe not John...I had also posted photos of my pedal Rick D8, undercarriage & all. |
Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 01 April 2006 06:54 PM
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I don't know how that PS-210 sounds; but it's even uglier than a GFI. |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 01 April 2006 08:37 PM
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Rick-You may be right about that. But one thing I do know . I wonder how I carried that 60 lbs guitar out of the case that weekend I had it.I must have had muscles then,lol....al ------------------
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Earnest Bovine
Member From: Los Angeles CA USA
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posted 02 April 2006 12:43 AM
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I had one like the one Ricky Fataar is playing (borrowed) at home for a while. It had no legs at the back corners of the cabinet, and I think there are no legs there in the picture of Ricky. One big metal leg attaches to the center of the back of the cabinet, and passes between your legs, holding a pad to park your butt on. |
Cartwright Thompson
Member From: Portland, Maine, USA
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posted 02 April 2006 03:36 AM
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What's that wacky Dan Armstrong-meets-Fender that Carl Wilson is playing?[This message was edited by Cartwright Thompson on 02 April 2006 at 03:46 AM.] |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 02 April 2006 05:36 AM
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For the most part, the "production run" of 210's had 4 legs, as far as I know. There seem to be a couple of prototypes then.Two years ago at the Dallas show, Gene Fields had a prototype 210 D10 that had the built in seat as Earnest describes. He also had a unique Fender bass prototype displayed. I imagine that he has some very interesting and inventive personal instruments. |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 05 April 2006 01:15 PM
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John Graboff said quote:
Obviously there was more than one model 'cause the one I posted is an S-10.
No it's a 12 string... How many of THESE were made ?
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