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Topic: E9 Fretboard note map?
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Bob Smith
Member From: Allentown, New Jersey, USA
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posted 18 January 2005 03:10 PM
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Is there a fretboard reference map thats shows all the notes at their intersection with each fret? Ive seen them for 6 string guitar and was wondering if anyone makes one for E9 steel guitar. Thankyou Bob |
Jim Palenscar
Member From: Oceanside, Calif, USA
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posted 18 January 2005 03:27 PM
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Therer are several computer programs out there that will display each note at each fret depending on what pedals/levers are engaged- Clic Tab is one that comes to mind first |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 18 January 2005 03:33 PM
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Make your own. You'll learn a lot just by doing that.If you don't know where to start, tell us.
We'll help you get there. Once you have it, circle all the C, E, and G notes .
That's a C Major chord. Thing will start to click.
Then repeat for other chords and scales. |
Jay Fagerlie
Member From: Lotus, California, USA
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posted 18 January 2005 04:28 PM
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Bob,
Do a search for "Guitar Map".
A wonderful program developed by a forum member
Great stuffJay |
Bob Smith
Member From: Allentown, New Jersey, USA
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posted 18 January 2005 06:30 PM
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Thanks for the help fellas, I guess what i want is something like the true size of the neck, that i can hang above my music stand for a quick reference while practicing or while playing at home. In other words a no pedals version of the E9 neck. Thanks bob |
Sonny Priddy
Member From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA
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posted 18 January 2005 07:36 PM
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Jeff Newman Had Some Out That You Just Layed On The Frett Bord. For All The Cords . Don't Know If Farn Still Has Them Or Not. SONNY.------------------
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Dave Van Allen
Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 18 January 2005 09:29 PM
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Bob;
You should make one yourself...get some posterboard, a sharpie and a ruler and go to town... IMO |
Travis Bernhardt
Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 19 January 2005 12:07 AM
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Yes, if you need one like you describe, you're going to have to make it yourself. And it will be well worth it.-Travis |
Randy Reeves
Member From: Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
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posted 19 January 2005 08:28 AM
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so true. I have made my own fret maps for my PSG and my lap steels. since I have different tunings for each instrument having those little references really help. the best part is learning by making your own. hands on all the way. |
Johnny Baldwin
Member From: Long Beach, California, USA
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posted 19 January 2005 10:40 AM
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Bob, here's the link to the "guitar map" program from the archives.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum4/HTML/002744.html
[This message was edited by Johnny Baldwin on 19 January 2005 at 10:41 AM.] |
Bob Smith
Member From: Allentown, New Jersey, USA
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posted 20 January 2005 06:10 AM
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Alright you guys talked me into it , im gonna make one of thes myself. Gonna try to make it so maybe i can lay it under the strings, and use it that way too. Thanks again, Bob |
Fred Shannon
Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas
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posted 20 January 2005 07:19 AM
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Bob, Johnny Baldwin has the answer. I use Abolins guitar map all the time when teaching. Pretty user friendly too.
fred
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John Bresler
Member From: Medford, Oregon
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posted 20 January 2005 08:54 AM
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There's a free fretboard lesson at www.pedalsteelguitar.net that will help a lot, also. It's color coded and includes pedals. It's on Dick Meis' webb page.[This message was edited by John Bresler on 20 January 2005 at 08:55 AM.] |
Bob Kagy
Member From: Lafayette, CO USA
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posted 20 January 2005 03:47 PM
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Bob, I used a scrap piece of clear plastic from Home Depot that was cut down to size to fit under the strings & on top of my fretboard.Write on it with a marker - notes, patterns, etc. Works fairly well. |
Travis Bernhardt
Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 20 January 2005 04:15 PM
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I don't really recommend sticking it on the fretboard, but if you're going to do that, you can buy a couple of sheets of the transparent stuff you put on overhead projectors from an office supply store.-Travis |
Robert Porri
Member From: Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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posted 21 January 2005 07:51 AM
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These are just some thoughts I think are related to this topic. Not given with any this is better than something else intention. I'm not there yet, but I was wondering about the value of just doing some real grunt work and memorizing a string at a time rather than using a chart. In my own case, knowing the 6 string guitar neck pretty well, as far as the PSG E9 neck goes, half the work is already done. The 2 E strings, the 2 B strings, and the D string are already there. I'm using stupid little crutches to help memorize the other strings like the 2 F# strings (1st and 7th) being 2 frets below what they are on the E strings. I'm using something like that for the other 3 strings also. I'm hoping after working on this like this for a little time each day, that the need for a chart or whatever would not be needed. In my case, I'm using songs that have a lot of chord changes and just playing the roots on each string for some time each day. I'm finding I'm having to think less and it's becoming more automatic. So it seems to be working. Maybe this is an unfair expectation if someone has no other string instrument experience. I'm just wondering how much a chart would end up being relied on over the years as opposed to memorizing the fretboard from the start. I guess that's the ultimate purpose of a temporary use of the chart too.Bob P. |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 21 January 2005 08:08 AM
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Robert,
You are sooooo right, about the grunt work.
You are on the right track, the way you described the strings relationships, and learning them by relating how they relate to other strings.Drawing a chart will teach you these relationships.
Then when you sit down at your guitar it will be reinforced. A student should draw many charts. They can just be on scrap paper, nothing fancy. At first, it's easist to label the notes one string at a time.
After you have that down, draw same charts, filling in all strings at the same fret, before going onto the next fret. I suspect the actual charts will be seldom used after you make them. The knowledge you gained will be used for the rest of your playing lifetime.[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 21 January 2005 at 09:38 AM.] |
Joey Aguilera
Member From: Whittier, California, USA
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posted 21 January 2005 01:06 PM
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I have been using Bob Hoffnar's intonation cd for a couple of months now and sometimes instead of working on intonation I just use the drones to find the different positions of the notes around the neck. Scratch that, I guess when I do this I am still working on intonation but anway ...So if I cue up an A drone, I can move around the neck and strings finding all the A's, or finding all the different positions of various A chords. |
Bob Smith
Member From: Allentown, New Jersey, USA
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posted 21 January 2005 02:53 PM
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Rob and Joe, Those were my thoughts also, to memorize the notes by sight on each string. I also know a 6 string neck pretty good but im usually baffled when staring down at an E9 neck , to some extent anyhow. Bob |
Robert Porri
Member From: Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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posted 22 January 2005 07:52 AM
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Joey Aguilera, I checked out that whole thread about the drone CD. I'm ordering one. Thanks.Joey Ace, I did make some blank tabs for the purpose you suggested. I try to quiz myself at various times when I'm not officially practicing. Thanks too. Bob Smith, Good that you have 6 string experience. So you are probably half way there (assuming you are talking about E9). Just to mention what I'm using for the 3 strings I didn't talk about already... For the D# (2nd string), my "crutch" is thinking one fret higher than an E string. For the G# (3rd and 6th strings), I'm thinking one fret higher than an A string. I'm not saying at all this is a great way to think about this, but it is how I can relate to it and hopefully it will eventually lead to a quick recognition if it's practiced enough. Bob P. |
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