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Topic: all pull/push pull
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Mike Heavner
Member From: Fallston, North Carolina, USA
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posted 21 February 2005 03:36 PM
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what exactly is the difference? and when did they stop making the push-pull?????????? |
Craig A Davidson
Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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posted 21 February 2005 04:32 PM
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Here we go again. Try a search Mike. It is there somewhere. |
Bryan Knox
Member From: Gardendale, Alabama...Ya'll come
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posted 21 February 2005 05:07 PM
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Hi Mike. Great question. Since I have been here a while I'll try to give you a little direction on where to find what your looking for. This is a great bunch of guys and there is a wealth of information to be had. Welcome to the forum!!!!  If I can be any help, email me. Address is in the profile.Here's a quote from Brad Sarno...
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The push/pull changer is unique in that the fingers rest firmly against the body or solidly against the endplate depending on what the pedals/levers are doing. This supposedly helps the strings have a more solid contact with the guitar giving more sustain in a key range of overtones that are distinctly "push/pull" sounding. The mechanism is very solid and in tune once set up properly. It's a precision instrument in that it needs to be adjusted very precisely, but once set, can remain good for years. I've had a Sho-Bud, a Mullen, a ZB and 2 Push/Pulls. I dont think I'll ever part with these push/pulls. To my ear they have what I'd describe as a very long and powerful "cry" in the midrange overtones. After you pick the strings, the voice of the guitar "blooms" and hangs out a while. Other guitars have their strengths but the push/pull is unique in its voice. I love other guitars for their strengths too. The ZB is clear as a bell and is agressive sounding and has a sweet top end that rings long. The push/pull has it's own unique voice that many of us love. It's smooth and balanced and really knows how to cry and moan. I feel like the Emmons push/pull, for some reason, responds better than others to subtle variations in picking expression, it'll do what you tell it. Then there's the feel factor. Once used to it, the push/pull is like buttah. And the slack in the pedals lets you tap your feet on them. Really there's some serious mojo in the original Emmons guitar design. I bet there are some secrets we dont know about. Geniuses I tells ya! Buddy and Ron.
Brad Sarno
Here's a great thread on push pull technology... http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/004619.html Hope these items help you. Bryan ------------------
Help prevent juvenile delinquency...teach children to STEEL [This message was edited by Bryan Knox on 21 February 2005 at 05:08 PM.]
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Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 22 February 2005 02:13 AM
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Hey Mike..hope all is well..
The down and dirty answer is in there somewhere but here is the short answer..The All Pull system ( yours and mine) pulls the changer fingers for all string changing events, raises and lowers. the Push Pull system Pulls the changer fingers for the Raise and Pushes it for the Lower. OF course there is more to the changer design but this is the immediate comparison. All modern era Steels are of the ALL PULL design..very easy to setup, very easy to make changes and add peds or knees....also multiple changes on a single string is now extremely common with the All Pull and a no brainer to keep in tune and maintain. The conversation is about the TONE produced with the Push Pull system which allows the changer to be in contact with the Guitar Body..thus the famous PUSH PULL tone maintains it's legacy... t[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 22 February 2005 at 02:16 AM.] |
Mark Herrick
Member From: Los Angeles, CA
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posted 22 February 2005 02:09 PM
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Carter Steel Guitars has some very helpful descriptions, including animated drawings, on their website that will explain the differences:
http://www.steelguitar.com/steelmap/maptop/changer.htm ------------------
[This message was edited by Mark Herrick on 22 February 2005 at 02:09 PM.]
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Mike Heavner
Member From: Fallston, North Carolina, USA
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posted 22 February 2005 04:05 PM
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Thanks for the feedback fellows,A friend of mine ask me what the difference was,and i wasn't sure how to explain it the proper way without some confussion. |
Jerry Clardy
Member From: El Paso, Texas, USA
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posted 25 February 2005 02:39 PM
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Hi Mike - Travis Bernhardt has placed an FAQ in the Forum Feedback section at http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum7/HTML/003246.html .
Searches in the different archives and forums here can yield a wealth of information but it may take a few searches to find what you want.
The question asked is a little broad to give a short answer.
Three things that come to mind are that
1- All Pull and Push Pull refer to two different changer mechanism designs used on a pedal steel guitar.
2- Some people prefer the tone of a push-pull guitar over that of an all-pull guitar. This seems to be a matter of personal preference.
3- Another is that all-pull guitars allow for easier mechanical maintenance and the changing of pedal setups.
Welcome to the Forum and thanks for taking the plunge to learn this great instrument. Don't give up! It's challenging but well worth the effort. It's all easy once you get used to it. |
Jerry Clardy
Member From: El Paso, Texas, USA
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posted 25 February 2005 03:24 PM
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There are still at least two sources for new push-pull guitars, I believe. Dan Burnham got a new P/P Emmons not long ago and Damir Besic has information on the Promat guitar. A search in Pedal Steel for these users should give some information on them. There are still quite a few older P/P Emmons available used. These are quite popular guitars and they last for years and years. |
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