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Topic: which to learn first E9 or C6?
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Joe Lipman
Member From: Nashville TN
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posted 01 April 2005 10:02 AM
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I've been playing at PSG for about 4 months now. It was recommended to me to learn the E9 neck first. My real interest is in the C6 neck with the deeper bass notes and swing feel to the sound.My question is what will I give up in the future if I bag the E9 neck and jump into the C6 neck? Will this come back to haunt me? Also, can I get a single neck PS and set it up for C6? I currently have a double neck and would like something lighter for traveling. Thanks in advance for any help in this area. Joe |
Herb Steiner
Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX
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posted 01 April 2005 10:16 AM
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My question is what will I give up in the future if I bag the E9 neck and jump into the C6 neck?
The first answer that leaps to mind is "any chance of gainful employment." quote:
Will this come back to haunt me?
Only if you believe in the Ghosts of Christmas Present and Christmas Future.An S-10 can certainly be set up for C6, though I'd suggest 5 pedals on the guitar and at least 3 knees, preferably 4 or 5. Generally an existing S-10 can have pedals added without difficulty. ------------------
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Ernie Pollock
Member From: Mt Savage, Md USA
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posted 01 April 2005 10:27 AM
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Yeah, if your planning on making any money with steel, better go ahead & learn that E9th tuning first. If your interested in making a little more bass on your E9th, email me & I will tell how I have mine set up.Ernie Pollock
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 01 April 2005 10:33 AM
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there is a way,had a man stopped by played E9 th and C6th on a 10string, had 9 knee pedal and used no volume pedal.he played both fine,called staggered knees and man what a sound he had. farris |
George Crowder
Member From: Richmond, VA, USA
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posted 01 April 2005 10:55 AM
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Farris, I believe you are talking about Don Fullmer. Joe has met him but I don't know if Don talked about his S10 setup that you mentioned. |
Earnest Bovine
Member From: Los Angeles CA USA
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posted 01 April 2005 11:58 AM
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quote:My question is what will I give up in the future if I bag the E9 neck and jump into the C6 neck?
The first answer that leaps to mind is "any chance of gainful employment."
At today's wages, that is a very small price to pay for playing what you enjoy. |
Dave Grafe
Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 01 April 2005 12:10 PM
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If you are going to look for a smaller steel why not go for a U-12 and get the whole works? You might also consider that there is a lot of swing material that you can do on the E9, so far that's all I have and after thirty years I haven't run out of notes yet. A lot of the best "6th" material recorded so far was played without pedals anyway. Just my $0.02 worth.... |
Drew Howard
Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.
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posted 01 April 2005 01:14 PM
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At today's wages, that is a very small price to pay for playing what you enjoy.
Ouch. The forum is busting at the seams with good advice. If you have a day job already, then follow your (C6) heart. ------------------
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 01 April 2005 05:10 PM
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I'm with DG. You sound like a prime S12U candidate. You can concentrate on whichever neck you want, or both. And it will be only slightly heavier and more expensive than an S10, and way more manageable than a D10. I think you will love an S12U. |
Bob Watson
Member From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.
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posted 02 April 2005 01:23 AM
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What Dave Grafe said! You can play swing or jazz on either neck, check out Randy Beavers, he is playing some incredible stuff on E9. I can remember seeing him play a few years back and I had to keep looking to see which neck he was playing on. I've also heard Steve Palousek play some pretty "outside" stuff on E9. You might like a Universal tuning, but I would do some serious research before I took the leap. Good Luck! |
John McGann
Member From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
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posted 02 April 2005 04:29 AM
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YMMV! For me, there is no replacing the C6th neck, especially with the full complement of changes a la Emmons, Jernigan, etc.First, the range is octave and a half range lower; if you use 4 picks you can get wonderful fat chord voicings unavailable on the E9th. Some would argue you don't need all those other notes to get the chord sound (i.e. you can get an E7 9 13th w/ three strings on E9: strings 9, 7, 5 w/ pedal A), but you have a wider choice of voicings on C6th. It depends on what kind of music you want to play, but for "the soundtrack of poverty" as Frank Zappa referred to jazz, it's hard to beat the C6th neck. Not to put down anyone who plays jazz on E9th. I know it can be done, but the setup of the tuning and pedals on the C6th is perfect for the extended chord progressions found in pop and jazz standards. There was a thread recently where someone asked which neck is easier to learn...I think the question is which style of music is easier to learn. Classic country is deep and beautiful; the chord progressions are simpler and tend to stay in one key more or less for most of the song, and so for learning a difficult instrument like steel, it makes sense to work with a musically easier style first. YMMV! ------------------
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Paul King
Member From: Gainesville, Texas, USA
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posted 02 April 2005 04:35 AM
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Joe, I have a video of Tommy Roots and he says you need a good understanding of the E9th to play the C6th. Most players will tell you the C6th tuning is more complicated to learn. I have always loved country music and the E9th but I have started really putting time into the C6th. There are some really nice jazz chords that just make me want to learn the C6th tuning more. |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 02 April 2005 05:06 AM
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Yes, you can play any type of music on any tuning, but some tunings are just better suited to certain types of music. Joe, it all depends on what type of music you want to play. If classic country is your bag, then stay with the E9th. Modern country, same thing. Most western-swing country can be played on E9th or C6th, since it doesn't use low voicings very often, or complex chords. But if you want to play pop and jazz (in a small group), and you're "into" complex chords, I strongly recommend C6th. The 10 string C6th will give you fuller, fatter chords than a 10 string E9th. |
John Sluszny
Member From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted 02 April 2005 08:49 AM
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If I had to do it all over again,I would start learning BOTH tunings simultanously. |
Bob Hoffnar
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 02 April 2005 10:08 AM
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If you are attracted to the C6 tuning you might want to try out an 8 string non pedal steel to get started. The C6 has a beautiful logic all its own and if you can get around on the nonpedal you will have a big advantage when or if you move to pedals. It will be much lighter and cheaper also.
It worked for Emmons, Charleton, Green, Rugg and just about all the true masters of the instrument !
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