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Topic: Promat at Bobbe`s Sgn
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Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 02 August 2005 06:24 PM
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quote: 1. Are you Croatian or from Croatia?
yes, I am quote: 2. Why would a US player spend twice as much to get an emmons copy designed by Mr. Papic in Croatia , when for half the price you can get an original Emmons DESIGNED BY THE GREAT BUDDY EMMONS in great shape for half the price of A Promut??
why would US player wait 4 years and spend $9000 on the single neck Anapeg designed in Australia if he can get a nice Maverick DESIGNED BY GREAT SHOT JACKSON in great shape for $300? I have only one answer,because he can and he wants to. And one more thing.Promat is bild in SCG (Serbia and Montenegro) and it is a PROMAT and not a Promut. hope this helps Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 August 2005 06:25 PM
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Larry, do you mean you want me to "give you one for the Clipper"? |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 August 2005 06:29 PM
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Yea, I wonder why anyone would buy a BMW when a Chevy Cavalier is so much less. Why don't we all just play student model guitars? The dancers won't know the difference. Ha! Ha! (but the good player does)[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 02 August 2005 at 06:31 PM.] [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 02 August 2005 at 06:31 PM.]
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Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 02 August 2005 06:32 PM
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quote: maybe you should replace one 1/4" aluminum spacer at the changer (C6) from the drop/lower rods for strings 5/6 and 9/10 with a 3/4" one, so that the collar screws canīt touch each other.
Horst, I didn`t have to replace nothing on my Promat,it was perfect.Some fine tuning was done by Bobbe at SGN in 5 seconds with guitar not even taken out of the case.And I don`t make the guitar so any technical questions or suggestions should be directed to the Promat shop. Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html |
tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 02 August 2005 06:32 PM
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Thank you Damir for answering my questions. There is no doubt that the promat is a unique guitar, especially since Bobbe has tested it and loves it. However, I suppose if you were an Australian from Australia living here you would be singing the praises of an Annapeg! |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 02 August 2005 06:35 PM
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because I`m sure the BMW is a copy of the Cavalier made by great GM.Db ps and of course that ugly cheap logo with some blue and white stuff,,,uff,nasty Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html |
ebb Member From: nj
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posted 02 August 2005 06:35 PM
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quote: I suppose if you were an Australian from Australia living here you would be singing the praises of an Annapeg!
or if you were tom brumley or al perkins or me who aren't |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 02 August 2005 06:42 PM
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Anapeg is no doubt a great instrument.If I wanted to have one I would.I prefer tone of the push pull guitars tho.However, Croatia and Serbia & Montenegro are two totaly separate countries wich were also involved in one big and nasty war from `91-`95,life goes on,friends stay friends.I play Promat because it is an awesome push pull guitar with a great tone built by a dear friends of mine.Very simple.Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html |
Waisznor Member From: Berlin, Germany
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posted 03 August 2005 04:52 AM
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(QUOTE) I didn`t have to replace nothing on my Promat,it was perfect.Some fine tuning was done by Bobbe at SGN in 5 seconds with guitar not even taken out of the case.And I don`t make the guitar so any technical questions or suggestions should be directed to the Promat shop.(QUOTE)Damir, I donīt have any technical questions and everybody knows, that you donīt make the guitar!! It was only a hint from a Push-Pull-Fan. 
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Lem Smith Member From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.
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posted 03 August 2005 08:50 AM
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Bobbe S. said... quote: Lem, boy, you love to see me work!
Nah, it's not that so much Bobbe. It's that I love to hear ya play the steel.  Lem
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 03 August 2005 10:31 AM
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You sure are hard to argue with Lem. All the more reason for you to move to Nashville! Your buddy, Bobbe |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 03 August 2005 11:13 AM
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I heard there's also a doormat at Bobbe's. He spares no expense.....  |
Lee Baucum Member From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier
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posted 03 August 2005 11:47 AM
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...and there's the laundramat down the street. |
tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 03 August 2005 12:26 PM
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...and don't forget the promat!!!! |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 03 August 2005 01:08 PM
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Little off topic!!but i just bought a almost new/old professional{BLACK}toooo. suppose factory top,now i need one of those nice BLONDS,where do you find them Bobbe? This sho-bud is top notch,she look a lots better with this BLACK PROFESSIONAL than that sunburst,no pedals!!!hahahah farris |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 03 August 2005 05:56 PM
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Horst,some people believe that I do make those guitars but I don`t.I just love to play them (when I have a chanse)and that`s all,I don`t know nothing about the push pull mechanism.I can`t even set it up right without Bobbe`s help. Db tbhenry, I can see that for some reason you don`t like the guitar.You don`t live that far from Nashville,It would be great to have you here one weekend and let you try the guitar.I would love to see what you think.If you like it great,but if you don`t it would be interesting to see why and what is that you think could be improved. ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 03 August 2005 at 06:05 PM.]
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tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 04 August 2005 04:36 AM
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Damir, I do record with church groups from time to time in Nashville. Next time I am there I will make a point of visiting Boobe's and try out a promat. I am looking forward to hearing it. regards, tbh |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 04 August 2005 09:40 AM
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I have played Damir's Promat, and it is a sound like none I have heard. Feels great and plays great... but the sound.... ooh la la, that sound. DDNot a lot of blonds down, here, but I will get an nice black haired lass behind my Bud down here in Sept. Palm Trees and Promats... I like that[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 04 August 2005 at 09:41 AM.] |
Gary Spaeth Member From: Wisconsin, USA
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posted 05 August 2005 06:45 AM
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ron jr should buy all this guy produces, call it the emmons euro and charge 10 grand. i'd rather have the emmons nameplate on it. that's worth 2000 more. does the p/p reissue compare to this? |
Erv Niehaus Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 05 August 2005 01:34 PM
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Gary, I have two of Ron's p/p reissues. They have 30 year old cabinets and new machinery. The p/p part is just like the originals but the foot pedals are the LeGrande style. Mine are lacquered with metal necks and they cost me 1/2 of what they are asking for the imitation Emmons p/p.  Erv |
Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 05 August 2005 04:52 PM
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The Emmons push-pull guitar is the tonal yardstick by which ALL other pedal steel guitars are measured, PERIOD.The Zum "hybrid" changer, and this dead-on copy, the Pro-Mat, are proof of that. The hybrid Zums sound real good, or at least the couple I've heard did. There's no reason to believe that this Pro-Mat, also "sounds like an old push-pull." OK, it's a pure-dee Emmons copy. SO??? If you're gonna copy a guitar, why not copy the best? |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 06 August 2005 09:15 AM
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Hey, I'm the biggest Emmons P-P fan ever, I have several (4) in my personal collection and 10 in the store for sale. Some restored, some 100% original. The Promat stands tall amoungst the best. Built by a fanatic old world craftsman that demands incredible quality. This guitar is not a "reissue" built from old rejected parts from yesteryear by a new builder that wasn't even alive when the first P-P guitars were designed and built. It is a 100% brand new guitar built from the finest aged maple to the closest tolorences necessary. The sound of the Promat guitar is heard daily by some of the worlds finest players and all have been astounded by what they hear. I have many P-P guitars for sale on the floor of my store now, and the Promat is the most expensive of them all, but it is new, and has all of the qualities that the great pros of yesteryear wanted then and still appreciate today. It has a warranty and is the personification of the old addage, "you get what you pay for". You want the best, dependable, great sounding workhorse? This could be it. Pinching pennies? This ain't it. Want a good looking old P-P Emmons? I have several, starting in the low twos, up to forty eight hundred. The old Emmons guitars have heritage on their side, I like heritage, but to infer that the Promat isn't one of the greatest guitars ever built is just plain wrong. I'm not putting down either of the two reissues, but Fred Trogden, Ron Lashley or Buddy Emmons didn't build THEM either. They did design them, but unknowingly, they also designed a good part of many other guitars, Promat included. But so did Paul Bigsby have a major hand in this. The design of all steel guitars, as it is with many other things, a mishmash of many designs with every designer copying the best of anything else he can learn from. This is why we are advancing and these products are getting better every year. Using the Emmons P-P as a pattern to build a guitar is just good taste on this builder part. I can't understand why some can't understand this. Why are Emmons P-P players displaying a jelously of this guitar? It is a compliment, not something to get mad over. It's an addition to the P-P legacy, as are the "Reissues". You guys know what? If someone in the united states started building P-P guitars that sounded as great as the originals, I'd be as happy as I am over the European Promat. And I feel we all should. There will always be a place for these great sounding guitars. Originals, Copies, or reissues.
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Erv Niehaus Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 06 August 2005 09:21 AM
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Please be advised that my two new reissued p/p's do not have any "rejected" parts in them. In fact, Ron had to send out some "new" parts for plating before he could complete delivery of my new EMMONS push/pulls. Erv |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 06 August 2005 10:15 AM
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Don't get mad Erv, I was just picking on you, why else would I have said that! I knew you'd respond, but not that fast. I'm very proud that you have two P-P guitars. Your taste in steel guitars is wonderful. Or should I say "OUR" taste. Your buddy, Bobbe |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 06 August 2005 11:34 AM
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quote: built from old rejected parts from yesteryear by a new builder that wasn't even alive when the first P-P guitars were designed and built
thanks Bobbe.As you said,Dusan is not by any means a new builder and he was very much alive when first push pull guitars came out.He loved them and was opsest with their tone from the first day.Trying to build and improve egzisting design thru the years finaly he came out with the Promat.I`m very happy that I can buy a guitar like that today,someone else wouldn`t be so he doesnt buy`s them,and thats ok. Mr.Papic and his brother in 1959 Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 06 August 2005 03:26 PM
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Damir, Erv is a good friend and I'd be an idiot if I make him mad for such a silly subject/reason. I just said this to pick on him. I will not let this escalate into anything but a fun jousting between friends. I'm a Emmons P-P fanatic. But I sure see the great qualities in the Promat also. Erv is welcome to try this one any time he feels the need. (soon I hope,) Want to hear some great P-P guitars? Click on to my webpage and then click on to the "streaming audio test" . All that is on there is P-P guitars, all old Emmons, Bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 06 August 2005 at 03:31 PM.] |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana
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posted 06 August 2005 07:08 PM
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Interesting comments from all sides.Personally, I feel that the Promat is overpriced. After all, when one can buy a mint condition *original* Emmons push-pull for a *fraction* of the price, what is the reason for spending so much on a Promat? I am hard pressed to find one, other than there are those out there who want a "NEW" push-pull guitar. I am inclined to consider the case of the Fender Custom Shop guitars. If you want an NOS '51 Esquire or '54 Stratocaster, you can buy one for a couple thousand dollars. If you want an original, you'll be spending WAY more than that. Thus, the new reissue is LESS than the vintage original. In the Promat case, the new reissue is MORE than the vintage original. Plus, you have now invested a LOT of money in a guitar that does not have the prestige, heritage and resale value of the Emmons. Joe[This message was edited by Joe Alterio on 06 August 2005 at 07:20 PM.] |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana
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posted 06 August 2005 07:17 PM
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quote: As far as the "Copy" criticism goes, every guitar manufacturer has "Copied" somthing from some other guitar. This is why almost all, all-pull guitars are alike today. Again, everything goes back to Paul Bigsby in modern pedal steel design anyway. The Promat is a great continuation on this theme.
I don't think you're comparing apples to apples, Bobbe. Sure, all steel guitar builders have copied ideas....but what is being discussed here is copying an entire guitar, part for part including design, right down to the fretboard (at least, from what has been posted on this Forum....I have not done a direct Emmons - Promat comparison). There is a big difference in taking an idea and incorporating it into your own design versus copying EVERYTHING and calling it your own (save for the nameplate). Certainly, if they have the Emmons Co. blessing to do so, they can (and if it IS identical...for their sake, they'd better hope they have permission!). But, at that point, it is nothing but a mere copy of a guitar that can be purchased much cheaper and that will retain its value, if not increase in value. Please let me point out that I am not writing with the intent to fault Promat, its distributers or its clients....I just find this a fascinating look at this business of pedal steel guitar and like to offer my opinion when such business discussions arise. Joe |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 06 August 2005 08:42 PM
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Joe, your saying that no one would buy a Promat? To expensive? Over priced? What about the ones I've already sold, looks like someone appreciates great quality and has the money to buy one (or three, I also hear that Rolls Royce still has a 6 month waitring period), Remember I have several great Emmons P-P guitars for sale and these guys have bought the Promat over them after comparing all. Possibly you should come down again and do the same, I buy lunch. Nice to see you in Benton Il. a few weeks ago, Bobbe. |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 06 August 2005 08:51 PM
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this is like beating a dead horse all over again,nothing new has been said,Promat is a guitar you can buy it or not,who cares really?But the buyer.Is it a copy or not?I don`t give a damn, if you do,well then,don`t buy it for a God sake,how long do we have to listen same old "copy" experts?At the time Promat was introduced there was NO new push pull Emmons guitars for sale,and as far as I know once Emmons runs out of parts that`s it.So the only chanse for me and other players who want a NEW push pull is to get a Promat.I don`t wont a used guitar and don`t care if used Emmons can be had for a $100.It is hard for me to understand that people can judge something without ever trying it or even seeing it live??How is that possible?How can anyone give a honest opinion about something they don`t know anything about?The bottom line is Promat is not here for the pople who don`t wont it but for the people who do.So if you don`t wont the guitar..who cares??I know Promat doesn`t.Or me..even less.This post is for the people who are interested in this instrument and not for the experts who have no idea what they are talking about.We have one of the greatest Nashville players who played TWO Promat guitars saying how good it is and on the other side we have people who are complaining but they NEVER EVEN HEARD the thing.Now ,I can see it coming again,,COPY..I don`t care.Get over it,if you don`t like the guitar do something else, go practice,take your dog for a walk,find another topic or turn your computer off, geez, for a God sake, let it go of that COPY crap.Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 06 August 2005 at 08:54 PM.]
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 06 August 2005 09:00 PM
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Joe again, please understand that I truly respect your opinions and respect your right to voice them. I feel your post was very well written. Yes, this is a direct copy (but who cares), without the "Emmons Co" permission, I'm sure, but then, what state of condition is this "Emmons Co."in today? I haven't seen or heard of a new LeGrandes being produced in a long time. What happens when the P-P parts are used up? I'm very serious here and don't want to cause trouble for whats left of this great Co. or anyone having anything to do with it, but being in the business I'm in, I get some pretty straight info from time to time. If this entire situation (lets hope not) is gone tomorrow, we may all be looking for Promats. Yes, I have some great Emmons P-P guitars, and they are getting to be worth more everyday, as well they should. Incredible guitars when it comes to doing a great professional job. Wonderful tone, stays in tune, great parts availability and the list goes on. (by the way, I have sold several Emmons P-P guitar for much more than the promat is priced for) Lets face it guys, these are both wonderful guitars. This is like the very famous "Ford Chevy" debate. It will never end, but that's OK. Joe I welcome your opinions and views as I do anyone's. BUT, we are debating two incredible steel guitars here and it boils down to how a player wishes to spend his (of her) money. They will get an incredible guitar either way. Bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 06 August 2005 at 09:02 PM.] |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana
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posted 06 August 2005 10:03 PM
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Damir, I don't think a new thing has been said on this Forum in years....we're always talking about the same things! (just kidding guys....sorta!) This is simply an intriguing discussion about Promats....I get the feeling that whenever a discussion arises on this Forum about Promats and someone talks about their price/looks/sound and says something other than positive, you seemingly take offense. But quite honestly, there is no need. You have bought what makes you happy, and just because someone might disagree with you about the attributes of the guitar does not mean they are putting *you* down for buying one.Fact is, their two most single most identifiable features are their look and their price, so that is what people will comment on the most. Check back in the old MSA discussions when they came back into the marketplace, and you will find the same exact talk going back and forth...looks and price (and of course, sound). You did hit on what I thought, though, Damir...you bought your Promat since you wanted a NEW guitar, thus being one of the primary reasons you chose it over an Emmons. Bobbe, thanks for the nice replies. Just to be clear, I would never go so far as to suggest that *nobody* would buy a Promat. Obviously, Damir has bought a few and soon the one you have will be sold as well. And I certainly would not imply that the guitars don't sound great/look great/play great...it's just on price alone, I would figure them to be a hard sell (same with the other high-priced brands such as MSA and Anapeg). Of course, if someone wants a brand new pedal steel that has the push-pull mechanism, then this guitar will serve that customer base....as long as they can afford it.
On the legal side, it would be interesting to know what the Emmons company thinks of all this. They certainly have legal grounds on which to force Promat to cease with production of the guitar if it truly is identical, as that is their design. A very close friend of mine had the same issues with Fred Gretsch, as he is a luthier that was at one point building Bigsby replica electric guitars (like Merle Travis'). Once Fred Gretsch got wind of that...things got ugly. Bobbe, I may be able to swing by the store the week after next...we'll be in Nashville on vacation. You can by me lunch then!  Joe |
Erv Niehaus Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 07 August 2005 07:25 AM
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"Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!"I don't know who said it but it sure holds true in this case.  Love ya Bobbepoo! Erv |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 07 August 2005 07:47 AM
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quote: "Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!"
I agree... quote: On the legal side, it would be interesting to know what the Emmons company thinks of all this
this question has been asked a gazilion times before and already answered by Bobbe Seymour,Carter guitars,Bobby Lee and list goes on...so but..here is the answer one more time... nothing...the patent has expired long time ago,Emmons Co. stoppped making p/p anyway because it was too expencive, it was not what they wanted to do,they made biger profit with all pull guitars.Anyone who thinks any push pull guitar is too expencive should try to make one himself. MSA and Anapeg ???I never said one bad thing about those guitars.If someone has a topic about his Anapeg or MSA I`m not about to get on his topic telling him how his guitar is no good or is too expencive.If I don`t have nothing nice to say most of the time I don`t say anything at all,specialy about guitars I never played myself. Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 07 August 2005 at 07:57 AM.]
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Tom Quinn Member From: Sacramento
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posted 07 August 2005 08:29 AM
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This is a d-a-n-g-e-r-o-u-s thread I can see, but what the hey... -L-I have/had collected guitars for years. When I was in Tokyo, I had a room with 50+ guitars and a dozen amps -- all the usual suspects, and all pretty cool. I didn't care for any of the reissues, although the 99 Les Paul sunburst are pretty great. Sold most of them to buy my house. Don't think the Promat is a "reissue" in the same way. It seems to me to be more of a guy who saw the best sounding guitars ever made, and went from there. I think it is wonderful that there is somone who will do that, cause even at the price, I doubt if he is getting rich. There are guys who make parts for old Indian bikes, and without them it would be impossible to keep a Chief on the road for long. You can 100% build a killer "Harley" panhead with superior craftsmanship from catalog parts. To me, it is really amazing that someone so far away would have such a love and respect for what to the rest of the world is an obscure vintage musical instrument in an extremely specialized category -- the pedal steel. Last, this is America, where people have the FREEDOM to spend their loot anyway they want it. Ain't that great?! You can spend all your cash on Hummel figurines or baseball cards or even -- yurk! -- golf! And FWIW, I just replaced my been-gone-three-years push-pull with a late 65 black/aluminum-necked bolt-on D-10 8X4. I'm only interested in push/pull guitars, all I've ever really loved besides barrel-changer Sho-Buds... I hear these bolt-on guitars don't stay in tune, so when it arrives I'm gonna cut some slots in the bridge with my hacksaw and make it a cut tail, that should fix it...[This message was edited by Tom Quinn on 07 August 2005 at 08:34 AM.] |
Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX
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posted 07 August 2005 08:34 AM
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"Overpriced" is a totally subjective term, one that can't be quantified, which says more about the speaker than the item being described. It speaks to his feelings of value, the worth of a dollar, how he was raised about money vs. quality, etc.If someone feels that something is "overpriced," that's simply his opinion and is completely valid to his value system. It just means that he doesn't see the product/cost ratio to be equal. It might be that although he could certainly afford the item, he's frugal and chooses not to purchase. It might mean that he's a man of limited means and simply can't afford it. It might mean that his daddy taught him never to buy something new when a used item has depreciated and is a better "value." All kinds of things. I have a friend who is quite well-to-do, and can afford anything his little heart desires. He has a nice home, but drives a car with 170,000 miles on it ("practically brand new!.." ). He's looking for a used riding lawn mower. I told him to just spend $1500 and buy a new one, which has a warranty, less hassle, etc. "No way am I gonna spend $15 hundred on a new ANYTHING!" This guy's worth a couple million, yet... that's just the way he was raised. Which is a good quality to have, since he's a frugal man and an excellent provider for his family. But if someone feels that an item is worth every bit of what the seller is asking, for whatever reason, then it's most definitely NOT "overpriced." That's simply the value that fellow attaches to the item, and it's completely correct in his value system. Which should make none of us here on the Forum any never-mind at all. It's his money and it's his guitar, and if he's happy, it was a good deal.  quote: I play Promat because it is an awesome push pull guitar with a great tone built by a dear friends of mine.Very simple.
Damir, I've purchased guitars... Fessendens... for those very reasons. The guy is an old and trusted friend of mine who builds a fine guitar. There are no better reasons to do so, IMHO. ------------------ Herb's Steel Guitar Pages Texas Steel Guitar Association
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Steve Spitz Member From: New Orleans, LA, USA
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posted 07 August 2005 09:10 AM
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It`s only expensive if you can`t afford it. |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 07 August 2005 10:03 AM
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you guys are going to make me cry,I can`t believe I see some positive words...Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html |
Tommy Roten Member From: Vanvikan, Norway
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posted 07 August 2005 12:17 PM
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Does the Promat company have a website?------------------ Franklin D-10, MSA D-10, Goodrich volped, Mesa Boogie Quad preamp, ProfexII, Mosvalve 1500, 2xEminence 12", Nashville 400, www.tommy-steel.com pertrot@frisurf.no
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Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 07 August 2005 12:49 PM
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Tommy, for right now you can click on the link at my signature.That is just a little info until Promat get his own site up.I see you play Franklin.After I get my two Promats I want to order a Franklin for myself.Promat and Franklin for the house and recording and Carter or GFI for the road,I think that would pretty much be my set up and of course Hilton pedal with a Webb 614 and Session 500.Amps,Hilton and one Promat I already have so few more guitars and I`m done.Well,I would love to have a nice D 25 Martin and another Gibson banjo to acompany my Stelling Red Fox.huh, I better don`t quit my day job with this wish list..  Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html |