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Topic: Promat at Bobbe`s Sgn
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 22 July 2005 06:13 PM
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once in awhile somehow Bobbe manages to get hold of these custom handbuild instruments.I have two on order (one almost done) and still can`t get used to the way these guitars sound and look.I love them, the way they feel,look and sound.I can`t wait to get mine. 
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"Promat"
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 22 July 2005 07:47 PM
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Yes Damir, This is as incredible a guitar as I have ever heard or played. It obvious that this builder is really interested in building a work of art. He has taken the greatest sounding guitar in the world and improved it. Hearing is the only way this statement can be proven. And it is here for the proving.
Truly unbelieveable to see and hear. Craftsmanship from the old continent.
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 22 July 2005 08:40 PM
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I have some pictures of this guitar I would like to show.This is the same guitar that is at the Bobbe`s SGN right now.       guitar is equiped with Jerry Wallace TT 16.5 Kohm and top of the line Grover Kluson "speed winder" key heads.Tuners are designed so that top of the string will not scratch the body of the guitar and they make possible to change the string fast.About Jerry Wallace TT pick ups is no need to talk about,they are the best money can buy.100% Hand made..as is the guitar they are on. Db ------------------
"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 22 July 2005 at 08:52 PM.]
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 22 July 2005 08:44 PM
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also,this is a SD-10 that is owned by Allan from Scotland.  SD-10 Promat Db ------------------
"Promat"
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http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html |
Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 23 July 2005 01:08 AM
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This is certainly a nice guitar. Is the undercarriage similar to the p/p undercarriage as far as the way it's built and the parts. Expensive but nice. Does it come in other colors than black. Not being cute or negative here, I'm just curious because black is the only color I've ever seen the Promats in. I like the guitar. |
Stephen Gambrell
Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 23 July 2005 04:53 AM
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BEAUTIFUL fretboards!!! |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 23 July 2005 07:18 AM
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It's nice to be able to have something to copy.  |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 23 July 2005 08:28 AM
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Yep, and Paul Bigsby was the guy! |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 23 July 2005 10:14 AM
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I just got back from SGN.Played this guitar and it looks and sounds amazing.
Billy,you can get your Promat in other color than black.I have on order one black, cut back with 16.5 TT Kohm and one mahagony/maple with fat back body with 18 TT Kohm combination.Black one is almost done.Undercariage is 100% push pull mechanism.Positive stops,tight and solid.
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"Promat"
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http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 23 July 2005 at 10:22 AM.] [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 23 July 2005 at 10:24 AM.]
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Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 23 July 2005 10:36 AM
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Thanks. |
Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 23 July 2005 10:52 AM
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very nice looking steel
i can almost hear the tone in my head
but for a poor boy like me
the price is out of reach
so for me ill just play my skh emmons
and my sd10 push pull and be very happy
and feel blessed that i have um
mike |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 24 July 2005 08:45 PM
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Damir,This looks looks beautiful, just awesome!! But it looks identical to my push pull Emmons. Did someone put the wrong label on it????? |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 25 July 2005 02:31 PM
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That's the only thing they couldn't copy!  |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 31 July 2005 07:21 PM
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got few questions about this instrument.I don`t have one for sale and it takes a few months to get one after you put in your order.The one Bobbe has is available right away and is brand new and looks and sounds amazing.Bobbe can answer all the questions better than me.To all who sent emails, thank you for your interest in this guitar.Db ps to my knowledge this is the only Promat for sale in US at this time ------------------
"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 31 July 2005 at 07:24 PM.]
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Ray Uhl
Member From: Riverside, Missouri, USA
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posted 31 July 2005 10:21 PM
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Beautiful guitar!!! How much does it weight?Same as old 67 Emmons?? I know this is petty, but I'm a fanatic about detail. IMHO, I think the name plate would look much better centered, where Emmons has theirs. (Sorry, folks, not trying to get picky). I wish someone would play one in St. Louis this year. |
Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 01 August 2005 02:25 PM
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Great looking guitar - shame about the $2 name plate !! |
Stephen Gambrell
Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 01 August 2005 02:29 PM
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" IMHO, I think the name plate would look much better centered, where Emmons has theirs." Yeah, but then folks would think this was just an Emmons copy... |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 01 August 2005 02:52 PM
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Really! |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 01 August 2005 03:20 PM
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ALWAYS been told if you can;t say nothing good don't say nothing!!!! farris |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 01 August 2005 05:38 PM
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I`m sure Emmons name plate costs much more than $2.Hell,how about the Emmons guitars with the sticker,`65 or `66 bolt on are famous for a notoriously bad tone right,I`m sure if they had a more expencive stickers they would sound much better?Or maybe no name at all?Db ps
maybe $200 will make you sound and play much better?Yeah,that`s it,we got it now,it is not in the players hands and his knowledge of the instrument,the secret is in the name plate.you get a nice name plate made of 14 carat gold and you can play and sound like Buddy...wow,every day man learns something new on here ------------------
"Promat"
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http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 01 August 2005 at 06:50 PM.]
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Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 01 August 2005 06:00 PM
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quote:
Yeah, but then folks would think this was just an Emmons copy...
and they would be right.PROMAT is a copy of the push pull Emmons.It has complitly different meassurments and non-interchangeble parts with an Emmons tho.And it does look,play and has tone better than a push pull Emmons.Where Emmons stopped with push pull guitars PROMAT continued.And is making push pull guitars superior to original Emmons.Now,to find that out,someone would have to actualy play one,and the one at Bobbes SGN is the one that can be played.Well,now after we made clear that Promat is an Emmons copy,what else is that we can talk about here? Db ------------------
"Promat"
~when tone matters~
http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 01 August 2005 at 06:00 PM.]
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tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 01 August 2005 06:58 PM
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Really, Damir surely you jest!!! A Promut Better than an Emmons - designed by the great Buddy Emmons.
You must be crazy!! |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 01 August 2005 08:16 PM
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have you ever played one?If yes than I respect your opinion and thank you for it,if not than sorry to tell you,but you have no clue what you`re talking about.------------------
"Promat"
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http://hometown.aol.com/damirzanne2/PROMAT.html [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 01 August 2005 at 08:19 PM.]
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Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 01 August 2005 10:08 PM
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Hello Damir, not trying to get into the middle of anything here but I really do like the Promat. With this guitar are the tuning problems pretty much gone that the old p/p's were known for. One more thing and I'll get out this conversation. Are there any booklets or reading information available about the Promats. I enjoy reading about different guitars and try to learn everything I can about each one. Thanks. |
Per Berner
Member From: Skövde, Sweden
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posted 01 August 2005 11:53 PM
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Here’s how I see it:The Promat is obviously a direct replica of a push-pull Emmons, down to the very last detail, though probably made to the nearest equivalent metric measurements. The resulting non-interchangeability of parts hardly makes it ”completely different”. As it is, the only original input on the guitar is the nameplate, and that one is really no improvement! I think Promat should at least make a token effort towards originality by using a fretboard design of their own. As a total replica, it would be a big surprise if it performed noticeably better (or worse) than the original. Not much room for improvement with an identical design. Unless maybe with closer tolerances than the original, which I doubt could be achieved by a small workshop in Croatia. The original sounds great (mine does anyway), and the Promat should be expected to sound just about the same, with individual variations caused by differences in the pieces of wood in each guitar. It might very well feel more solid and precise, and be easier to keep in tune than an Emmons p/p, but then you’re comparing a brand new guitar with something that’s seen 25-40 years of wear. I am sure the Promat is a well-crafted, very good sounding guitar (which it had better be at $6,000 or more), and I would certainly not mind having one. But why buy a metric replica (=totally dependent on one single Croatian source for spares), when there are originals in superb condition (minters as well as beautifully refurbished ones) available for less money? A copy can never, ever be worth more than the real thing. --------------------
´75 Emmons p/p D10 8+4, '96 Emmons Legrande II D10 8+5, Peavey Nashville 1000 |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 August 2005 08:44 AM
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As far as Promat parts go, I have a store full, they are called Emmons parts. They fit fine.
As far as the "Copy" criticism goes, every guitar manufacturer has "Copied" somthing from some other guitar. This is why almost all, all-pull guitars are alike today. Again, everything goes back to Paul Bigsby in modern pedal steel design anyway.
The Promat is a great continuation on this theme. It is a great guitar, possibly the greatest made today for the serious pro player. Promat chose to "copy" the Emmons P-P rather than a Emmons Legrande, Zum, Mullen, GFI or any other guitar. Why? This is obvious. Tone, demand , and no one else had done it, and no one else is doing it(a limited number have been assembaled by the original Co.however but will cease when original parts are exausted)
I have many Emmons P-P guitars for sale , all years, most in very good condition, all sold with warranty. I also am blessed with an incredible Promat steel guitar. It sounds, plays, and feels like a brand new '69 Emmons P-P guitar. Copy? Yes! And I'm so glad it is. If you want a new P-P guitar of extreme high quality, parts no problem, service no problem, garrantee no problem, then this is a great choice for those that care to have the best, and know how to appreciate the best.
So far all I hear derogatory is the name plate and the fretboard design, I agree , but these things don't affect tone, quality, playability, or anything that matters in making it a tremendous professional steel guitar.
You Emmons P-P guys should be very flattered that your (our) pride and joy was chosen to be the "Pattern" for this great builders efforts. This only helps to prove what a great guitar the Emmons P-P is.
Hey, Let's hope this design never dies.
The Promat co. is doing their part, I'm doing mine and have for 40 years. Bobbe |
Earnest Bovine
Member From: Los Angeles CA USA
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posted 02 August 2005 09:56 AM
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Bobbe wrote: quote:
As far as Promat parts go, I have a store full, they are called Emmons parts. They fit fine.
Are the Promat parts measured in English units (inches) or in metric near-equivalents? |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 August 2005 10:57 AM
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Which parts?
Tuning screws are Metric, easy to find at any Ace Hardware, 1/8th set collars, are the same as Emmons, seems as though all parts are either interchangable with Emmons or can be obtained very easily from the local hardware store.
I have had absolutly no problems in doing major pedal changes on this brand guitar. I have found I have a lot more problems with several well known "All-Pull" American built guitars. And I'm very serious about this.
The Promat is no problem in any way to service or maintain by anyone that knows P-P guitars.
To hear them is to love them, Bobbe |
Joe Yednasty
Member From: Southwestern CT
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posted 02 August 2005 12:35 PM
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Are Promats push/pull or all pull?------------------
"Eskimo" Joe Yednasty Emmons P/P S-10
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 August 2005 12:59 PM
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Joe, they re P-P, (Push-Pull)
Only two steel guitars are P-P. |
Chris Schlotzhauer
Member From: Colleyville, Tx. USA
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posted 02 August 2005 01:03 PM
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To hell with the Promat...I want one of these  |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 August 2005 01:10 PM
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Chris, believe me, you'd be better off with the Promat, I know I've had both. The Promat is also a lot less expensive.
Bobbe |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 02 August 2005 01:15 PM
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Damir: Two questions.1. Are you Croatian or from Croatia? 2. Why would a US player spend twice as much to get an emmons copy designed by Mr. Papic in Croatia , when for half the price you can get an original Emmons DESIGNED BY THE GREAT BUDDY EMMONS in great shape for half the price of A Promut?? Please answer these questions |
Waisznor
Member From: Berlin, Germany
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posted 02 August 2005 02:12 PM
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Damir,maybe you should replace one 1/4" aluminum spacer at the changer (C6) from the drop/lower rods for strings 5/6 and 9/10 with a 3/4" one, so that the collar screws can´t touch each other. Regards
Horst[This message was edited by Waisznor on 02 August 2005 at 02:33 PM.] |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 02 August 2005 03:06 PM
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Bobbe,
Less expensive than what, the blonde???  |
Lem Smith
Member From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.
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posted 02 August 2005 03:25 PM
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Bobbe,
Not that I'm anywhere near able to buy one, but I wish you'd put a clip of the Promat on your site. I'd like to at least hear one. In fact, it would be nice if you could have at least a small clip of each of the guitars you offer on your website. That would give prospective buyers at least an idea of what each one was capable of.Lem |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 02 August 2005 03:53 PM
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I'm sure it's a great guitar. But 6000.00? Too much. Way too much. Come on guys. 6000.00 for a steel guitar. Can it be THAT much better than the best Emmons? I think not.  ------------------
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 August 2005 03:56 PM
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Erv, yes.
Lem, boy, you love to see me work! Any idea how long this would take? This is why I have a show room full of guitars. Get up here and see me.
Curt, is a new Maybach worth half a million more than a Ford escort? To Donald Trumop and several very discriminating buyers, yes. To you? No. Is a Porsche 911 worth a hundred thousand more than a new Neon? It is to me. Is a Promat worth five thousand more than a Sho-Bud Maverick? It is to me. I have this Promat sitting in the center of 50 guitars, I can see and hear what the guitar is, and what it's worth. Since you don't have this situation, I'm inviting you to come and look at this guitar so you can get a small idea what you are talking about. I'm here for you and anyone else. I personally feel that one shouldn't be negitive about a product they have never seen or heard. This is why I'm offering everyone the chance to learn, hands on. Then, I'll respect your negitive opinions, if there are any. Why should someone buy a new Promat when there are restored P-P Emmons guitars around? Why do you buy a new car when there are thousands of restored ones out there? Hey the world is full of classic cars. I have some myself. But I use new ones for transportation (most of the time).
Moral is, we aren't all alike. Some folks want and can afford new, great classics. Others don't and can't buy them. The reasons vary. I like most all steel guitars, I'm just glad to see one of this quality available to anyone that cares enough to want one. Again, tone is the magic ingredient here. This guitar has it in spades. Anyone should appreciate this.
Bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 02 August 2005 at 04:17 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 August 2005 04:26 PM
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Out of thousands and thousands of steel guitar owning players, there may only be five, or ten that would buy a Promat, but just think how happy these guys will be to have one.
I have one of only seven Sho-Bud "SP" twos, Two of about a hundred Bigsbys, and some other guitars I love, The Promat looks like it will be a wonderful future collectable, that will be a great guitar to play also. One thing sure, the more it's talked about, the more this value will rise. Bobbe |
Larry Robbins
Member From: Fort Edward, New York, USA
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posted 02 August 2005 04:39 PM
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Bobbe,
Could you please put up a clip of the Blonde?!!!! 
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