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Topic: 2nd string and 9th string lower
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 11:04 AM
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Okay, I gotta admit that this bugs me a bit. On the first page of this topic, I posted a pentatonic scale using the 2nd and 9th lower:
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F#____8___________________________
D#_________8LL____________________
G#__8_____________________________
E ______8L________________________
B _____________8__________________
G#_______________8________________
F#_________________8______________
E ___________________8L___________
D ______________________8L________
B _________________________8______ Noodling up and down the strings on this position gives you a ton of blues licks in E, and blues licks are what's required in a lot of the NCS.
This was ignored as irrelevant to the subject until Paul Franklin posted: quote:
... I use it when I play solos that rock. Without this change finding easy positions across the fretboard becomes much more difficult.
In the key of C, at the 8th fret, activate the lever lowering the 2nd string a whole tone and the 9th string a 1/2 tone (the pentatonic lever) and pick the strings in this order to hear the sound of a descending scale, 3-1-4-2-5-6-7-8-9-10.Now leave the lever activated and also activate the "B" pedal with it and pick the same pattern for the F chord scale. Now repeat the same picking sequence while activating the lever that lowers the E's to Eb along with the "pentatonic" lever and the "B" pedal for the G chord scale.
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Here is a correction to be made within my original post. The G7th scale only needs the pentatonic lever and the E's to Eb lever activated for the correct pentatonic scale over a "G" chord at the 8th fret. When the B pedal is added, as I posted earlier this morning, it adds the notes of the blues scale which also works well over a G7th chord.
I don't know if it was my lack of good communication skills or the fact that I lack cred when talking about "New Country", but either way it bugs me. It seemed that nobody "got" the concept at all until Paul explained it. Why is that?------------------
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John McGann
Member From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 11:33 AM
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My "ahHA!" was when Paul explained the 4 and 5 chord progression. Nothing personal, b0b! You got cred with me!------------------
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Steve Zinno
Member From: Spring City, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 11:36 AM
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Bob, let me be the first to admit to my own ignorance in missing that. I looked past your tab in order read subsequent text(s) and did not take the time to properly take in what you were saying.For me, the thing in Paul's post that caught my attention was that he actually NAMED it "pentatonic lever". My beginners level of knowledge needed that and the extended explanation of use before I was able to properly visualize things. In my opinion, you have excellent communication skills, vast knowledge of the instrument and music, and an uncanny ability to see things from another angle. So, my apologies! ------------------
steve z.
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Jim Eaton
Member From: Santa Susana, Ca
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posted 20 January 2006 11:38 AM
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b0b,
Your post was right on and very clear as to what the 2/9 stg change provided in terms of scale form, Paul just put some iceing on the cup cake with his expanded explination of how he uses it with the E-Eb lever and B pedal. You da man too!
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Terry Edwards
Member From: Layton, UT
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posted 20 January 2006 11:40 AM
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b0b, You said "ton of blues licks". Paul said "pentatonic scale".Wait....that's the same thing isn't it.... OK...never mind. Thanks b0b. After you posted I went home and tried it out. Got Cred? Yep!! 
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Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 20 January 2006 11:47 AM
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b0b, you run a cool website, play real cool stuff, and own lots of cool guitars..And you rock dude... t[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 20 January 2006 at 01:21 PM.] |
Mike Wheeler
Member From: Columbus, Ohio, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 12:16 PM
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Bob, I've seen this happen before. Not everyone uses the same terminology in conversation...even though they are saying the very same thing. Both you and PF, and Tony, too, are very good communicators and are very knowledgeable in terms of music theory. (among many other things) Paul's explanation just caught the attention of more minds than your's did, that's all. You both said the same thing...just in different ways. I have great respect for you both and listen carefully when you speak.Please don't feel slighted.[This message was edited by Mike Wheeler on 20 January 2006 at 12:17 PM.] |
Terry Edwards
Member From: Layton, UT
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posted 20 January 2006 12:39 PM
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You guys call it what you want.I'm calling mine the "Ton of blues licks lever"!
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John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 21 January 2006 09:18 PM
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I believe it should be rightfully called the “Kevin Hatton Lever”!------------------
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Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 21 January 2006 11:22 PM
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John, leave it to me to cause a 128 thread conroversy. Thanks to all you guys for putting up with me. Especially Paul. I figured the forum was getting a little stale, so I thought I'd throw a left hook in. I think we had a good discussion. I'll forever be wearing the moniker "Kevin-RKR Doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground-Hatton".[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 21 January 2006 at 11:23 PM.] [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 21 January 2006 at 11:34 PM.] |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 23 January 2006 12:10 AM
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Now there's a good sport, if I ever met one!------------------
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