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Topic: Half-diminished (m7b5) on E9
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basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 25 April 2006 11:53 AM
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Mr Cohen said quote:
But I can't think of any "country songs" that use it. Maybe someone else can.
Rose Garden .. the Line "Love shouldn't be so" melancholy.. The melancholy is a 6-7th chord and the previous line is half diminished.
See http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum10/HTML/201443.html
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Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 25 April 2006 11:56 AM
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Good one. Thanks, Baz. |
David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 25 April 2006 07:38 PM
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John Steele I tried your voicing and like it.
Makes me think of something form A Little Racals sound track.I half pedal my 1st or "0" Franklin, and drop back a feet,
resolving to 4 or one, pretty sweet.
Also nice AB 5th fret,AB 3rd fret, half 0 2nd fret to 3rd fret open. Also I drop my E's on C6 neck,
so the Fm6 sub is a snap for me. Yes great thread on a VERY useful chord.
If it's good enough for Dizzy and Monk, it works for me!  [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 25 April 2006 at 07:39 PM.] |
Drew Howard
Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.
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posted 26 April 2006 07:43 AM
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FWIW - In Sleepwalk I've heard people sub a Dm7b5 for the F minor.Drew ------------------
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 26 April 2006 07:51 AM
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Which F minor, Drew? The one in the verse or the one in the chorus? |
John Sluszny
Member From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted 26 April 2006 11:53 AM
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I 'd rather write m7/5- than m7b5.JMHO!
Bm7/5- instead of Bm75b
F#m7/5- instead of F#m75bDm7/5- etc...More logical to me!color="#8e236b">[This message was edited by John Sluszny on 26 April 2006 at 11:59 AM.] [This message was edited by John Sluszny on 26 April 2006 at 12:01 PM.] [This message was edited by John Sluszny on 26 April 2006 at 12:02 PM.] |
John Sluszny
Member From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted 26 April 2006 12:03 PM
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Oops!!!What happened?[This message was edited by John Sluszny on 26 April 2006 at 12:04 PM.] |
John Sluszny
Member From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted 26 April 2006 12:53 PM
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...and I would call such a chord:"minor senenth diminished fifth" instead of "half diminished".(JMHO) |
Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 26 April 2006 01:01 PM
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Yup. That's an option. |
CHIP FOSSA
Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.
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posted 27 April 2006 04:02 AM
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Let me see if I got this right. What Drew mentioned about "Sleepwalk", subbing a Dm7b5
for an Fm. We're assuming SW is in the key of C? So Dm7b5 would be D-G#-C-F, thus adding a D
note to an Fm? Is this one way to look at it?Also, John, m7/5 - does the (/) indicate a 1/2 flat step? If you didn't know this, it would look like adding just the 5th? Is this just getting into dfferences in notation? |
David L. Donald
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posted 27 April 2006 04:48 AM
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To my eyes Am7/5
would be the same as
Am7/EWhen we use a standard or typical Berklee jazz script
a slash means this is a root for the bass other than the pure spelled root.
I have seen it also like this Dm7 Dm7/b7 Dm7/6 Dm7/5
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Dm7 Dm7/C DM7/B DM7/A For me if you're flatting the 5th
or any natural note, use the flat sign ; b. I have seen one guy INSISTED
that the root was on top ie.
Am7/G would be G/Am7
But I found that quite illogical.
The chord is still Am7, but the BASS's root is the b7 or G |
Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 27 April 2006 06:08 AM
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In John's notation, y'all have overlooked the little minus sign after the 5, which is indeed commonly used to indicate "minor", though I think most people would put it before the 5 and not afterwards, and few I've met would use a slash as he's done, because yes it does get confused with figured bass as DD has pointed out, or with a split bar of more than one chord. Of course, if all the players you work with speak the same language, then it doesn't matter which system you use...
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basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 27 April 2006 08:19 AM
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Take the tonic, go down two half steps, play it as a sixth and get the bass to play a "3" note (Referenced to the 1)
Quick way to play the half diminished passing chord to the 6-7th.
That's how I visualise the chord (In what's left of my mind)
Baz
The first three chords of "Don't Blame Me " second one is m7b5. maybe. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 27 April 2006 08:40 AM
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Which chord in Sleepwalk can be subbed to a Dm7b5?
Verse is mostly C Am Fm G - do you sub Dm7b5 for the Fm?
Bridge as I play it is
F F Fm Fm
C Cdim C C7
F F Fm Fm
G Bb6 G G7Do you sub Dm7b5 for Fm? Do you sub it for Cdim?
Inquiring minds want to know.
As for appearances. "Dm7b5" is perfectly understandable to me. Using a slash "Dm7/5-" would confuse me. I've never seen that form before. The Real Book writes it as D-7b5 which also seems pretty clear to me. ------------------
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CHIP FOSSA
Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.
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posted 27 April 2006 11:27 AM
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Yeah, I mistook the 5- as a link to m7b5.Like this: m7/5- - m7b5. I use the (-) a lot just to point to something, to emphasize |
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