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Topic: Fender Cable Convention
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Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 25 June 2006 12:59 PM
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Just received pics from the seller - he's interested in finding out as well the turnbuckles, pulleys and tubes at the loop-end of the cables are all from another maker as well, and match some of the odd stuff I've gotten. There are two stock-looking output jacks - one for each neck? That's wrong as well.The changers have no Fender logo on the plate, roller bridges a little different from the add-on Fenders, no hog rings, and are cut out for newer-type pickups - and the picks are definitely wrong. So - no logos on anything, wrong parts, wrong finish alignment - not a Fender, but what is it? Not Carvin - dosn't match anything. Wright Custom? Doesn't match anything, but some parts look close. Anyone? Bueller? |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 27 June 2006 08:00 PM
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Still haven't found anything remotely like this one. he price hasn' moved much - sure hope someone doesn't jump in at the end and pay WAY too much for a knockoff.Also noticed the nasty screws on the fretboard - yikes. |
Fred Glave
Member From: McHenry, Illinois, USA
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posted 27 June 2006 09:05 PM
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I still have my 2000 and play it all the time. It has had a lot of work done on it among other things a rebuilt chasis from a previous owner, but I'll put it up against any guitar out there for it's tone. It stays in tune and is so versatile. I bought a Sierra Crown U12 so I took my Fender down to Scotty's and Don Curtis fixed her up for me so I could sell it. But when I got it back and played it again, I decided to keep it. I'd love to go to a Fender steel convention. |
Mark Fasbender
Member From: Salt Lake City,Utah
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posted 27 June 2006 11:34 PM
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Heres some pics of my 2000.    No levers,but I hope to remedy that shortly. Has great tone and plays real good.  ------------------
Got Twang ? Mark |
Tim Whitlock
Member From: Arvada, CO, USA
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posted 28 June 2006 06:53 AM
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Here's a shot of me and my Fender 1000 with Ethyl and the Regulars. I love this guitar! Sound clips available at www.myspace.com/ethylandtheregulars
 [This message was edited by Tim Whitlock on 28 June 2006 at 06:58 AM.] |
Russ Tkac
Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA
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posted 28 June 2006 02:48 PM
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Tim,Looks and sounds good! |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 28 June 2006 04:45 PM
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couldn't find the sound clips.?? |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 28 June 2006 04:51 PM
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Looks and Sounds Like a Fender Should.Great thread. |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 28 June 2006 08:14 PM
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hmmm - very cool sound!sound clips worked on my Mac at home, but not my work PC. Didn't even show up on that one. weird. |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 29 June 2006 07:38 PM
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Just a "bump" - and a pic of the bridge roller "substitute" - works REALLY well.  |
Brandin
Member From: Newport Beach CA. USA
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posted 29 June 2006 11:53 PM
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Jim, where can ya get one of those?
GB
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Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 30 June 2006 05:04 AM
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No place, yet - This was a prototype made by Gary Spaeth. He's not set up to make production runs of them...not sure there's enough customers. |
Tim Whitlock
Member From: Arvada, CO, USA
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posted 30 June 2006 06:32 AM
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The roller bridge is a great idea. I assume you are tuned to E9th. On the advice of Bobbye Seymore, who sold me the guitar 5 years ago, my top neck is tuned to D9th rather than E9th. Using a standard set of E9th strings (with a couple of substitutions for heavier guages), my 1000 rarely breaks the high F# (G# in E9th) and never breaks any of the other strings. The C6th neck never breaks strings either, using standard pedal steel C6th strings. |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 30 June 2006 02:30 PM
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The D9 tuning was used for many years by Fender players to avoid string breakage. With Gary's gadget, E9 has been no problem at all. The aftermarket Fender roller bridges seem to work as well - so there's a group trying to get those made by one of the parts fabricators.But I still think Gary's thing may have the edge on tone. |
Fred Layman
Member From: Springfield, Missouri USA
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posted 02 July 2006 08:06 PM
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I'm adding two pedals on my Fender 2000 and need a couple of Fender turnbuckles, also 8 to 10 Fender cables with both ends intact for knee levers I'm adding. Length or condition of the cables are not important; I just need the ends. Email me with a price. |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 02 July 2006 08:27 PM
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Fred - are looking for cables for pedals 8,9 &10...or do you need eight...or ten..total cables?And are you looking for the whole assembly including the small pulley? Or just the pieces of cable with two loops on them tham runs through the small pulleys? FWIW the end/cable assembly is not tough to make. Wre rope from Home Depot, some copper tubing and stiff wire bent to shape. Also, for turnbuckles the aluminum hardware-store ones with a hex shape to the "body" work great. I have several on my 400, including on both knee levers. I think there may be a pic earlier in the thread, or in another knee lever thread. |
Fred Layman
Member From: Springfield, Missouri USA
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posted 03 July 2006 09:33 AM
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Jim. I have the original pedals and don't need them. I'm aware of several of the alternatives you suggest and may end up usind them if I can't find the original Fender parts. Thanks for your suggestions |
Willis Vanderberg
Member From: Bradenton, FL, USA
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posted 03 July 2006 11:08 AM
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Did all the fender 1000 guitars come with the aluminum frame painted black or did some come in polished aluminum? |
Tim Whitlock
Member From: Arvada, CO, USA
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posted 03 July 2006 12:49 PM
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Mine, a 1958 model (see picture above), is the polished al-mag. Fender switched to black frames, I want to say, around 1960. |
Russ Tkac
Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA
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posted 03 July 2006 01:13 PM
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Here is a picture of my roller bridge mod.   And before cleaning...  [This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 03 July 2006 at 01:18 PM.] |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 03 July 2006 03:35 PM
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Fred, if you shoot me an email remindeer of what exactly you need I'll check my stuff tomorrow.And FWIW my '57 1000 has a black frame. Go figure. |
Brandin
Member From: Newport Beach CA. USA
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posted 04 July 2006 09:04 AM
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I have a 400 S/N# 00290 (not sure of year)
that has the polished al-mag frame. I think
they went with the black frame because it
worked better on TV. I'm sure Jody would
know the real reason.
GB
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Alvin Blaine
Member From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA
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posted 07 July 2006 01:18 AM
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I have a blonde Fender 400 S/N 00277 with the polished frame and tweed case, it's from 1958. I think they went to the black frame mid to late '59, around the same time they started using the brown tolex cases.About two years ago I had four Fender 400's and a 1000. Now I'm down to just one 400, and I'm keeping this one. |
Tim Jones
Member From: Andover, KS, USA
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posted 07 July 2006 09:12 PM
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That 'ethyl and the regulars' site is great!Non-Fender players, let me hear an intro to 'Long Gone, Long Forgotten' thats better than them! Time's up. There ISN'T a better intro than that! Great Work! I LOVE IT! Cannot beat that sound! Tim Jones
~)Fender 1000 and nothin' else(~ |
Tim Whitlock
Member From: Arvada, CO, USA
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posted 08 July 2006 08:23 AM
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Thanks for the nice endorsement, Tim! The tracks are from a CD we're working on. Some of them are obviously not finished yet. Glad you like it! |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 14 August 2006 11:46 AM
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I've just heard from Al Brisco that he is taking his Fender 400 to Scotty's Convention this year.He'll be using it on the Main Stage for a Buck Owens / Ralph Mooney tribute. see http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum4/HTML/011149.html for more info. |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 14 August 2006 04:21 PM
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quote:
Did all the fender 1000 guitars come with the aluminum frame painted black or did some come in polished aluminum?
The earliest ones were all polished, I believe, and Fender probably went to the painted frames because the castings had a lot of imperfections that couldn't be polished out, and because the aluminum-magnesium alloy they used didn't polish real well, anyway! The textured paint they adopted hid imperfections pretty well, and that gave them a more consistent appearance. (On the downside, it chipped pretty easily.  As someone else mentioned, large, flat, polished metal surfaces were also frowned upon due to the many reflections they caused on TV and at big shows (where they had spotlights). One Baltimore guitarist back in the '50s had a custom-made guitar, the top all chrome plated. When he played the Steel Pier in Atlantic City, they made him wipe it down with a wet rag and Bon-Ami cleanser to kill the reflections! 
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Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 14 August 2006 05:13 PM
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BrandinLeo Fender went to the "black frame" due to television lights throwing off too much glare.Causing problems for the camera crew.
I used to wet some kitchen cleanser and wipe the frame before doing a TV show to dull it down. Hope this helps PS The almag fram guitars as we all know are built like Sherman Tank. |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 14 August 2006 05:15 PM
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BrandinLeo Fender went to the "black frame" due to television lights throwing off too much glare.Causing problems for the camera crew.
I used to wet some kitchen cleanser and wipe the frame before doing a TV show to dull it down. Hope this helps PS The almag fram guitars as we all know are built like Sherman Tank. I see that my Fender Buddy Donny nailed it again in a prior post. Damm he should have been with us at Fender.  I am sincere my friend. |
Paul Redmond
Member From: Illinois, USA
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posted 15 August 2006 12:46 AM
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There IS a site out there in cyberspace y'all for old FENDER's. . . www.unclestick.com/fender/nice-fenders.htm
Might be a good place to start. Also has the 400 I just finished for ebb. By the way, y'all are correct. . .NO cabinet drop or detuning issues on his PSG. And I was looking!! Didn't want his guitar leaving the shop with a problem. In 2 days I found zip!!! Great, great sound. Gotta love these creatures!!! Check out Al Brisco's site. Takes a while to load, but well worth the wait. Don't know if it's relevant or not, but the ash neck on ebb's guitar was held in the aluminum frame with only 4 small screws on all four outer corners!!! I found a piece of tape on the neck signed and dated 11/25/58. I hated to ship it back to him, but we parted company and I bid her fond farewell. What a lady!!! I'll always cherish the fond, intimate moments I was privileged to spend with her. |
Paul Redmond
Member From: Illinois, USA
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posted 15 August 2006 12:53 AM
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Jody - The name I referred to in my prior post was Bill Carson. Ring any bells? I razor-bladed the tape off B4 doing anything else, then Elmer's-glued it back on when I was done. Urethaned over the top of it to preserve it hopefully forever. (Min-Wax Satin FWIW). |
Brandin
Member From: Newport Beach CA. USA
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posted 15 August 2006 08:24 AM
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Paul, do you know what the serial# was
on that 400?GB |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 15 August 2006 08:34 AM
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Pual.
I have known Bill Carson since 1948. Bill is a good friend and lives at the present time in Nashville. Bill saved my life one time at the NAMM show when it was beleived I suffered a heart attack and it was Bill who insisted I go to the ER in Chicago. Bile has some emergency medical backround from being in the Armed forces. |
Gerald Pierce
Member From: Maydelle, Texas, USA
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posted 15 August 2006 01:18 PM
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Brandin,
The 400 that Paul did such fine work on is serial # 278. There were photos of it on the link in Paul's last post. I changed the page some and saved it under the wrong name...lost the original, so I'm re-creating that page. I hope to have it again up by later tonight.There are some photos of the finished guitar HERE [This message was edited by Gerald Pierce on 15 August 2006 at 01:19 PM.] [This message was edited by Gerald Pierce on 15 August 2006 at 01:21 PM.] |
Lee Jeffriess
Member From: Yucca Valley California
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posted 15 August 2006 08:19 PM
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Paul, whats the story on the brown fretboard?.
Is that stock, or did you alter the color?.
Lee |
Paul Redmond
Member From: Illinois, USA
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posted 17 August 2006 07:58 PM
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I used One Shot lettering enamel. I would have preferred to mask and spray this, but ended up using a wide brush and thinning the paint with turpentine. There are some brush marks, but pretty subtle. The black on ebb's guitar was in bacd shape, so we agreed that anything I did would be an improvement. The 4 screws on the 4 corners of it were already drilled and were not exactly where I would have put them. I just had to work with what I had.The paint # is 114-7 Medium Brown. It's available at autobody supply stores or good artist supply stores. It dries real slowly, so I let the thing sit for over a week B4 even touching it to avoid fingerprints, etc.
PRR |
Paul Redmond
Member From: Illinois, USA
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posted 17 August 2006 08:14 PM
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Mea Culpa!! The paint number is- 114-L Medium Brown, not 114-7. Sorry!! |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 18 August 2006 07:13 AM
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By now I'm sure everyone here has read about Sneaky. He is truly one-of-a-kind, and was a tremendous help getting my "Sneakycaster" put together right - although I used the newer type, it still has the sae "spirit" - he and his Daughter Anita made it possible; I could never have built it otherwise.As part of this thread, I'm curious - how many use some version of Sneaky's copedent, and how many use others? My 400 is set up like his - B6, 9/2. The only variable is the 9th pedal - he didn' actually use it, just had it as a foot position reference...so I may do something different with it. My 1000's front neck is B6, with the first 7 pedals of Sneaky's copedent (the 8th pedal is hooked to the other neck - tuned to the "inside 8" of C6, with the pedal on strings 1 and 4 - basically open with one ""movement" pedal) next? |
Russ Tkac
Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA
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posted 18 August 2006 08:26 AM
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Sneaky's B6 no KLs.  My pedals are: 8,2,1,3,4,5,6,7,9  [This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 18 August 2006 at 08:34 AM.] |
Paul Redmond
Member From: Illinois, USA
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posted 18 August 2006 06:54 PM
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I set up ebb's 400 so that FP1 thru FP8 are exactly the same as Pete's. FP9 drops #1 to C# and #6 to A#.
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