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Author | Topic: Dreams can become reality |
BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
![]() ![]() Sage------ Yes, Yes, and Me too! I've got 3800 hours, am I 'sposed to have a licence? (just kidding,FAA) Bobbe |
Pat Burns Member Posts: 2896 |
![]() ![]() ...Bobbe, you've invented an automatic finger-puller?... |
Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() I mentioned undue leverage, back in the thread, as a contributing factor. This occurs where the string passes over the apex of the changer. The combination of the cross-shaft, and the finger pull connection, creates a stress area that further diminishes the longevity of the .011 string. Hence, the lucky 7, with its minimal 3/32 pitch tends to avoid developing pitch leverage, and disallows the string to be placed under undue leverage stress. Introducing friction free ball bearings in combination with a third finger roller, together with the lucky 7 is in the design changes for the near future. The lucky 7 features the least amount of pitch, in relation to the changer of any attachment, or modification described in this thread to date. The design lends itself to the least amount of destructive movement. The 3rd string changer will require space-age sensitivity, whereby, the slightest pressure will create a rotating movement to further compensate for the undue leverage. Eliminating the wound portion of the string, is a must, and the use of a tiny ball at the end of the string would contribute to its durability, by reducing "memory" of the excessive twisting and winding in the manufacturing process. Durability would be readily improved if the steel guitarist uses restraint while tuning the .011 string to proper pitch. Tuning the string flat, and dancing on the B pedal several times, will allow the spring wire to ameliorate to the sudden demands placed upon it to tighten and relax. There is a subtle connection in regard to string life and proper handling of the string. Bill H. [This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 04 September 2001 at 06:34 AM.] |
Al Udeen Member Posts: 1164 |
![]() ![]() Bobbie! That kid lives a lot closer to you than he does to me! the last time I saw him was Sat on the Opry! Keep sellin those strings by the hunert, so you can retire while your still young! Cya Al |
BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
![]() ![]() Here is my response to the last three posts. Huh? yea, and OK,whatever you say.(not nesessarally in that order). OK guys ,the test is going on as we speak and already we have learned some intresting stuff that may cause some pretty strong feelings to come into play on this subject. Bobbe |
Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() Hi Al Udeen, I was at the music store on Fenn St. in [This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 03 September 2001 at 11:39 PM.] |
Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() Bobbe Seymour, Praises would rain down on you |
Johan Jansen Member Posts: 2207 |
![]() ![]() Bob, when are you going to transport this thread to the humor-topics? ![]() |
Al Udeen Member Posts: 1164 |
![]() ![]() Since when is string breakage funny? |
Ed Miller Jr Member Posts: 102 |
![]() ![]() Gene, When I was at the Rock&Roll HOF a couple of years ago Carl's Coat hanger- equipped ES-5 switchmaster was hanging there.So was the grocery sack that he wrote blue suede shoes on. It looked like a crude string bender. I must admit;Gene Parsons came up with a much better arrangement. By the way Bill,way back on page one you said that you would try to post pictures of this critter, When can we expect delivery? ED |
Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() Ed M. Jr. I'll pick up some new film tomorrow. If you e-mail me your address, I will mail you some photos from different angles of the "LUCKY 7", within a week. Bill H. |
Steve Feldman Member Posts: 2983 |
![]() ![]() Hells Bells, Bill! Why don't you just e-mail me some pictures of this contraption and I'll host 'em and post 'em for all to see. That way, we can truly find out if a picture is worth 10,000,000,000,000,000 words. [This message was edited by Steve Feldman on 04 September 2001 at 06:58 PM.] |
Moon in Alaska Member Posts: 1155 |
![]() ![]() I wanted to add something smart to this WORLD RECORD thread, but just did not have a good enough vocabulary !!! ![]() ------------------ |
Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() Moon in Alaska, By the same token, I have always I once read a good book, which was in
[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 05 September 2001 at 03:09 AM.] [This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 05 September 2001 at 05:29 AM.] |
Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
![]() ![]() Bill; I don't suppose you'd care to recall the title of that book or the author, would you ? I'm thinking there may be a lot of other things that would interest folks like us in that volume. I read somewhere on the Forum that Bobby Koefer buried his Fender Triple neck and since he's playing again, last I heard was with AATW, I was wondering as well about the condition it was in when he got it back from MN. I also read that he didn't use all eight strings so my conclusion would be that if he didn't use the third string either, he might add to this conversation as well. On my Carter D-12, on the 6th tuning neck, my first string is an A 10ga and it has never broken. I change every 6-8 weeks if I'm working. Use them Cobalt-Brass strings that Bobbe sells and they work very acceptably. On the other neck, E9th I use an 11ga for a third string and the only one that ever broke before I changed it was when some other fellow was setting in for me. If they ever start to break I will look into your solution for assistance. Regards, Paul |
Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
![]() ![]() Burp. |
Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() Hi Paul G., I appreciate the time you have given in The author did not stress the maker in Paul, I explained earlier, that test |
Ed Naylor Member Posts: 1827 |
![]() ![]() Several years ago I wrote the "Steel Guitarist Prayer" The last 2 line were"Lord I ask as my final plea, That I don't break string #3".Anyone ever think about that??? Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works |
slick Member Posts: 560 |
![]() ![]() Im am of the opinion that there will be no pictures.Just trying to get this to 200!!!
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
![]() ![]() When I posted the count was 176. Four others have posted since then and now it's 177 !! Aww Well; I never could count right. And some on the Forum will say I can't spell either.....chords, that is. But don't worry about that because I have a good teacher and he don't have no ruler either. Thanks Carl Dixon for the time you take to explain my questions. What a guy ! What a friend !! What a man !!! Regards, Paul |
Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
![]() ![]() quote: Carl is a terrific fellow. As the saying goes, he has forgotten more than most of us will ever know. |
BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
![]() ![]() Yea, I too heard he had a memory problem! Just remember Carl,Your house is mine. Ole' Carl has more talent in his whole body, than I have in my little finger! No,I'm not kidding, I really mean it Carl! I only wish I could have done in a day what you have done in a whole lifetime Carl. Carl, this is your friend,Bobbe,answer me! Quit kidding around Carl.My string test is almost done! |
Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
![]() ![]() Please Hurry, Bobbe ! I've been filing on this piece of angle aluminum for days now. I'm trying to follow the instructions but my fingers are really getting sore. I've got to play this friday night so I'll keep a close eye on here tomorrow. Where did I put that ball end I borrowed from WWBP ? (World's Worst Bass Player) He broke the third string on his borrowed bass and I know it's a big A but I'm going to file it down to fit at least I will after my fingers heal.... Regards, Paul |
Jim Bob Sedgwick Member Posts: 1234 |
![]() ![]() I totally agree with Bobbe. Bending the string does cause it to break at the apex of the changer finger. But if the string bends less, it will last longer. The more the angle of the bend, the quicker it will break. JMO BTW: The Williams changer is a big improvement, but if you leave the string on long enough, it WILL Break. Remember, Bill Rudolph calls his changer the stressless, not the stress free changer. [This message was edited by Jim Bob Sedgwick on 05 September 2001 at 10:33 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
![]() ![]() It breaks exactly at the top,where it bends,Your correct in saying that the radius being sharper will break it sooner but what happens after the bend makes no differance.If it pulls at ten degrees or ninty degrees, it makes no diffrence.We now have living proof of this statment. I will get as deep into this subject as you would like if you woulu care to call me. If pulling the string at a straighter line of pull, would help,the builders would have done this many years ago. As a matter of fact, Bigsby is the worse string breaker Of all pro guitars and it has a ten degree bend over a little radius. The radius(bend) is what is killing the strings.You can do a 180 degree bend over a one inch radius and the string will last forever, (almost). Bobbe-----Documented proof at 11;00 [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 05 September 2001 at 10:47 PM.] |
Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() Ed Naylor. I like your poem's ending. If possible,
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Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() Forum Members, The issue of producing photos of the The measurements of the add-on are 1"x1" |
Ed Naylor Member Posts: 1827 |
![]() ![]() I wrote and copyrighted this many years ago.It goes Lord I pray- That I may never- Forget to use the right knee lever- And while I'm pressing pedal B- Guide my foot past A and C.Help me remember- Whatever the key-Is it pedal up- or down- or with a knee. Give me strenght- No matter how far-To carry my Steel back to the car. And Lord may I ask as my final plea- THAT I DON'T BREAK STRING NUMBER 3. I have sold lots of these "Prayers" over the years. Ed |
Pat Burns Member Posts: 2896 |
![]() ![]() quote: ...Jim Bob, forgive me for saying so, but I fail to see the difference...would it be better to be rendered nutless, or nut free?... |
slick Member Posts: 560 |
![]() ![]() I am of the opinion that there will be no pictures.Just tryin to get it to 200!!!We are almost there. |
BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
![]() ![]() Slick, never let it be said that I haven't done my part!AND my string test is over and one thing is sort of surprising, The stringwill break just about as fast tuned to a "D" as it does tuned to a F#.So it must be the bending, not the tension that is the culprit. We only tested .011 strings as this is the one most players use. Lloyd and several players will be in tomorrow to authenticate the test results. No suprises, but it should put some silly theorys to rest. THIS IS IT! THE BIG TEST IS OVER! Bobbe |
Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
![]() ![]() What is the subject of this lengthy discussion? Thanks, Jerry |
BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
![]() ![]() Jerry, your parts are on the way! Sho-Bud forever! Spinhead |
Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
![]() ![]() Hey Spinhead, what's the subject matter of this thread? Do you happen to know??? Thanks, Jerry |
Pat Burns Member Posts: 2896 |
![]() ![]() ...subject was "how to get to 200 posts in fewer than 6 pages"...so keep it brief, guys.. |
BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
![]() ![]() Jerry, I don't know man, I'm really getting dizzzzzzzzzzzy! Ann Fabian has me going around in in in in in ---gee, i'm dizzzzzzy. I wonder if she ever did this to John, I hope so, I really starting to like it! She really has my head spinning! Bobbe Spinhead-- (Wow, I don't even have to change my initials!--B.K.S. Or shortened, just B---never mind.) |
BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
![]() ![]() OK,Pat.Spinner |
Bill Hankey Member Posts: 1680 |
![]() ![]() Forum Members, Please acknowledge my thanks for the responses on this thread. It has always been my belief that steel guitarists are very special people. Again, I wish to thank all of you for your kindness. I'm very excited about the test results. I look forward in quest of the data. Bill H. |
Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
![]() ![]() Bobbe, man I am afraid you are spinning out of contol. I guess I will have to read all of it to learn what the subject is about. Jerry |
Jim Smith Member Posts: 6399 |
![]() ![]() Just another nudge towards 200. This one is 199, who will make the magic number? |
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