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Kevin Hatton
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From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 01 April 2004 09:31 PM     profile     
I was just wondering how active a steel player that Zane beck was. Does anyone know?
I have his tribute album and really enjoy listening to it. I heard that he was a gem of an individual, always ready to help people. He sounds great. I wish that I could have met him. I play a ZB and am curious.
Reggie Duncan
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From: Mississippi

posted 01 April 2004 09:51 PM     profile     
I think he backed Buck Owens? Played on the Louisiana Hayride with someone. Super player, builder and person, IMHO. Is he in the SGHOF?
I think he had something to do with the first knee levers. The person he was playing for didn't like how the floor pedals looked! So he converted the changes to knee levers he could use standing up!
Walter Stettner
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From: Vienna, Austria

posted 02 April 2004 03:10 AM     profile     
Yes, he is in the SGHOF!

Kind Regards, Walter
www.austriansteelguitar.at.tf

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Graham Griffith
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From: Glebe, N.S.W., Australia

posted 02 April 2004 03:35 AM     profile     
Kevin,

I was fortunate enough to have known Zane Beck. I met him at Scotty's ISGC in 1977 and subsequently went to his home after the show. He sent me home with his own guitar (the one he used on "12 + 14 = Country Jazz" with Julian Tharpe) and I've been playing his tuning ever since. Zane was a maverick and owes little to the mainstream ... always doing it his way. He was a musical and mechanical genius ... always full of ideas but with little time to devote just to playing. I spent from October 1978 to early January 1979 with him and his wife Faye, pursuing "the tuning" of which he was so proud. He was a country boy that grew up with an appreciation for "jazz" standards and he drew that inspiration from a steel player called Ray Noren ... Ray could beat the horn players at their own game and play any "tune" in any key (which many couldn't do). Ray gave up steel because of an eye problem and became a bass player in NY according to Zane. Zane was very good to me but I believe that I was more a pest than of any good to Zane at the time. My great regret is that he died before I started to come good on his tuning.

I'm very glad that you can see his worth.

Graham

Joe Finley
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From: Ozark Arkansas USA

posted 02 April 2004 11:08 AM     profile     
Kevin,
Zane was active in the local Little Rock area when he passed away. He was playing the VFW at Protho Junction just west of Little Rock the weekend before. He had some local students and his studio. He was a country boy that was born in Johnson County Arkansas at a little community called Goose Camp. This was a coal mining community in those days. It was amazing to see were he was from and what he developed. He did love jazz. I tried playing some with him and his new tuning but I stayed with E9th/C6th. I would ask Zane to play commercial and he would rip out the best nashville sound around and then he would go outside the box again. He was alot of fun to be around and a great friend. I wish you could have met him. I played the club the weekend after he died. It was not enjoyable to fill his shoes. People would request songs I didnt know or want to attempt after him playing them. But yes he did play.
Joe
Fred Shannon
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From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 02 April 2004 12:55 PM     profile     
Graham do you still play Z's setup and would you mind posting it or direct us to a site that has it?


fred

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Kevin Hatton
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From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 02 April 2004 03:07 PM     profile     
There are a few people who would have really liked to have met. Zane Beck is one of them. I've heard so many people tell of his kindness, and he must have been very intelligent man to come up with the building ideas that he did. All I can do now is to speak to as many people who knew him.
Randy Beavers
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From: Lebanon,TN 37090

posted 02 April 2004 06:09 PM     profile     
Zane Beck, where do I start?

When I was 10 years old, in 1966, I liked Tom Brumley's sound and style with the Buckaroos. Someone in Tulsa said the guitar was a ZB and was built in Arkansas. Somehow we got Zane's number and my dad called him. Zane invited us to come to his house and shop in Scranton, Ark. Zane being like he was, had me set up and play for him. He had a new guitar that UPS had dropped and the cabinet was cracked at the changer end between the endplate and changer. Nothing that would hurt the playability but just cosmetic. I've seen several ZB's over the years that cracked in the same place with just age. Zane made a plate to cover the cracks that looked like it should have been on every guitar, cracked or not. He then made us a good deal on it, then cut the legs and pedal rods off so it would fit me. We had a friend for life.

After that about once a year Mom and Dad would take me to Zane's to see him. He'd check out my guitar, add a knee lever here and there, and have me play for him. In a year or two he would sit down and play along with me and try to give me some advice. He was so far advanced above my head I couldn't comprehend what he was trying to tell me. He would take me to Russelville, Ark. with him to play his Saturday night show, the Ozark Opry. I'd sit next to him and take my turn on fills and turnarounds. One of the artists on the show was Bob Morris, who had written several of Buck Owens hits, so I got to play Tom Brumley licks behind him. These were fun years.

When I was 13 or 14 Zane invited me to go to St. Louis and share his slot on the show. This should give you some idea of Zane's generosity. He later did this with Blake Foucherouse (spelling), and Zane King. That introduced me to a whole new world of steel guitar I didn't know was out there.

Zane sold the ZB Guitar Co. because they had found a spot on his lung. He thought it was cancer and wanted to help set up Faye and Beverly with the money from it. He later found out the spot wasn't cancerous. I didn't see him as much during that period. I was a teenager then and working with a band every weekend as well as doing a morning TV show and some sessions. By then Scotty had made me a regular on his show so I would see him in St. Louis.

Zane would travel great distances for jam sessions, and there were always sessions happening around Tulsa. Zane told me of a new guitar he was designing at one of these sessions, and wanted me to try one when he got it built. I started spending several weekends with him when I got old enough to drive. He'd always start off with, "Lets put some new strings on your GUIT-ar." Then we'd spend the whole afternoon playing along with an electric drummer. I still wish I could have comprehended what he was trying to teach me. I just didn't have the knowledge to understand.

Zane invited me to go with him to Nashville for the DJ convention. Peavey had a room and everyone set up and played. I remember Zane, Hal Rugg, Curley Chalker, Lenney Breau and Odel Martin set up and played into the early hours of the morning. Nothing but "heavy" jazz, and he held his own and held everybodys attention. This was my first trip to Nashville. A year or so later he invited me again to go to Nashville with him for Fan Fair. Cope Daniels put on a show. Again Zane set up and played with the great jazz players. The musical knowledge Zane had was second to nobody. His hands were usually bunged up from working building guitars, or a new house. He built several of them himself. If he would have been just a player, there's no telling good he might have been. I used to get a kick out of watching the pros watching him when he'd take his solos. They were in awe. I can also tell you his favorite musician to listen to was Oscar Peterson. And Zane could play that style also on steel.

These are just a few of the memories I have of Zane. Many many stories come to mind. He was a true "Country Gentleman" and I feel privileged to have known him.

Terry Wood
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From: Marshfield, MO

posted 03 April 2004 05:26 AM     profile     
I first heard about Zane when I was traveling with a Nashville road band around 1980. The bandleader knew him and had done some stage shows with him. He suggested that I go see Zane and have him make me a steel guitar that I wanted.

I had heard Julian Tharpe playing in Florida, and so I went to see Zane and told him that I wanted him to make me a steel like Julian's. He and Don Fritsche of BMI did it. I still play that steel today. It was one of the last, if not the last 14 stringers he built.

Back to Zane, he was a super genuine person. I can't think of a better person I have met in the music business. And yes he could really pick a steel guitar. He had two other albums titled "Zane Beck Meets Bobby Caldwell," and "Zane Beck Plays the New ZB Model." He also recorded "12+ 14 = Country Jazz" with our mutual friend Julian Tharpe. In my opinion I think that the "Tribute To Zane Beck," released by his wife Faye after his death is the best collection of his playing.

Zane played steel guitar for Red Sovine, Billy Walker, and several of The Louisiana Hayride artists, including Hank Williams Sr. I will tell you a true story, because I don't think Zane would mind. He told me once that Hank Sr. had offered him a job traveling and playing,a few weeks before Hank died. Zane said, but at the time he could make more money playing on The Louisiana Hayride. He had a young family and needed the better paying gig. He told me, but I always remember Old Hank and he said that's why I always record one of his songs on my albums. that's the kind of guy he was.

I have several fonds memories of Zane and I can tell you also that he tried to give me some pointers on playing, but like Randy Beavers, I couldn't grasp it either at the time. He was always honest, kind and gave good solid advice to young pickers.

If I ever have a son, I would like to name him after Zane. Zane Beck was tops in my book and yes, he could really play. It's hard to believe he and Julian Tharpe have been gone so many years now.

The inscription on Zane Beck's SGHOF plaque fits him better than probably about any steel players inscription does on theirs. You can read it at Scotty's "Steel Guitar Hall of Fame" Website.


May GOD bless you all!

Woody
Mark 10:27

Randy Beavers
Member

From: Lebanon,TN 37090

posted 03 April 2004 06:17 AM     profile     
So many memories keep popping up when I think about this thread.

We were at Zane and Faye's aroung the due date of their youngest daughter, Carrie. Judy and I had been married a year or so. We rode with them into Ft. Smith to Faye's doctor appointment, and Judy was getting car sick in the back seat. Zane told me then Judy was probably pregnant, this was before we knew she was.

Speedy West rode with me to Zane's funeral. We had a great visit and shared memories of Zane for 10 hours. Speedy was a "Prince" of a man also.

I hadn't been to St. Louis for 13 years until last year. Judy's company had a Human Resources conference at the Marriot in St. Louis, arcoss from Bush Stadium, in April of last year. I went along with her for the week so I could visit some old friends I hadn't seen in years, like Scotty and Mary. The first day I walked over to the Millenium Hotel to see the Hall of Fame display. There were several that had been added since I was there last. When I came to Zane's I read it with tears in my eyes.

Joe Finley
Member

From: Ozark Arkansas USA

posted 03 April 2004 08:11 PM     profile     
Randy,
I remember the first time I met you was at the show there in Russellville. What a show that was, Zane, Bob and Faye Morris, Tommy Sparks on guitar who had been with Mel. Old six toes Benny Sims had a gold mine of performers. I have that album and Zane would open the show with Oklahoma Stomp. Randy I did not get to attend Zane's Funeral. Is he buried back here in Johnson County, at Scraton or in Litte Rock?
I too made the trip to St. Louis a few years ago and stood at that plaque with tears in my eyes. I really wish that I would have really tried harder to listen to the theory that he was trying to teach me with the jazz. I have to find alot of it on my own now but I can still hear him play.
Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 04 April 2004 12:02 AM     profile     
I never had the priveledge to meet Zane Beck, but I see his foot prints. This was a special human being.
Rick Schmidt
Member

From: Carlsbad, CA. USA

posted 04 April 2004 12:41 AM     profile     
Now THIS is a GREAT thread! Thanks guys!
Winnie Winston
Member

From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ

posted 04 April 2004 03:46 AM     profile     
I flew into my Steel Convention in St. Louis, checkerd in, heard steel playing, and followed the sound. It was Red Rhodes and Zane Beck-- with Speedy West looking on.
Everyone here is talking about Zane as a player, but for me, I got to spend time with him at every convention discussing the intricacies of the mechanisms themselves. With pen and paper in hand, we'd play a game of, "but have you looked at it this way?" and he always had something up his sleeve which was so outrageous, and so obvious.
The steel he is playing in the picture in my book was an absolute amazing instrument in concept. It was the only one I ever saw in which all pulls started and stopped at the same time. The problem was that the changer for each string had a gazillion pieces, and it was very finicky to assemble.
Maybe I'll dig out Zane's dawings of it and put it up on my web-site. It was really amazing.
He was quite the mechanical genius. His keyless models with a changer at both ends are still an amazing breakthrough.

JW

[This message was edited by Winnie Winston on 04 April 2004 at 03:47 AM.]

Jimmie Misenheimer
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From: Bloomington, Indiana - U. S. A.

posted 04 April 2004 08:08 AM     profile     
I only got to meet him once. Buddy Hall - a GREAT steelman in Eavansville, Indiana, had some shows on Sunday Afternoons, and one Sunday Zane was his guest. He was playing a small black single neck. It was a keyless, and - I THINK - an eleven string. I'm sure that he had some form of combined tuning on it. Man, he could climb all over it - and what a fine gentleman to boot. I heard alot of good music at Buddy Halls store - and no small amount from Buddy himself...

Jimmie

Randy Beavers
Member

From: Lebanon,TN 37090

posted 04 April 2004 08:33 AM     profile     
A great story Zane told me was about how the knee levers came to be. I don't remember the year he said it was, but he referred to Jimmy Day as a kid in the story.

Zane was working the "Louisana Hayride." The leader, or boss of the show didn't like the sounds of the "modern" pedal steel guitars he was starting to hear on radio. He disliked it so much he told Zane to take the pedals off his guitar if he wanted to keep his job. So he did. But Zane having the creative mind he did came up with hidden pedals he could work with his knees. He played the show for quite a while with these knee levers without being found out. Jimmy Day came to see Zane one day at the show and noticed what was going on. He came up to him on stage and said loud enough for everyone to hear, "Hey Zane, what are those things under your guitar?" By this time Zane had a strong enough influence in the band, so the leader let him keep them. Zane said he told him that, "I've been playing them for so long now and I'm not going to take them off, so you'll have to get someone else if that's what you want."

Winnie, funny you mentioned the "what if" game. I'd be in the car with Zane and he'd give me "pop quiz" questions. Like "What are the notes in a A flat, sharp 9 chord?" Or, "If you play this triad over the top of this chord, what does that give you?" Zane's subtle way of always trying to teach me something.

[This message was edited by Randy Beavers on 04 April 2004 at 08:37 AM.]

Bob Watson
Member

From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.

posted 05 April 2004 02:36 AM     profile     
This is a great thread! Thanks to all of you for sharing your stories with us. Randy, I heard you play in Ohio last fall and it sounded to me like you picked up a lot more Jazz theory from Zane than you think you did. I bet he gave you a lifetime of info to process. All I can say is that his input along with your own ideas and hard work have definately served you well. It must have been great to have such an incredible mentor. It seems that the best steel players are the ones that are the least conventional. Zane Beck sounds like he was truly an innovator.
Andy Greatrix
Member

From: Edmonton Alberta

posted 05 April 2004 06:40 AM     profile     
Does anyone know what Zane Beck's
tuning and peddle setup is?
Thanks in advance.
Al Marcus
Member

From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 05 April 2004 09:45 AM     profile     
Great post on Zane. I first met Zane Beck in 1968 at Tom Bradshaw's 1st. West Coast Steel Guitar show.

Me, being a tuning experimenter, naturally we talked about his tuning . He wrote it out for me and I might still have it around somewhere.

It was like the E6 I was playing only a lot different in many ways. He got a lot of music out of only 4 ? pedals and the knees.
I can't remember, 36 years ago.

We had quite an animated discussion about his tunings. He was a really a great guy and always willing to help anyone.

The next time I met him was at Scotty's 1977 convention in St.Louis when he introduced Randy Beavers. I was there .I was standing right near the bandstand.
I was very impressed with his playing for only being 13 years old.

Lots of good memories.......al


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[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 08 April 2004 at 06:35 PM.]

Graham Griffith
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From: Glebe, N.S.W., Australia

posted 05 April 2004 10:27 AM     profile     
In response to a posting for Zane Beck's tuning, here's two links: http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/004451.html and: http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/004577.html
Zane's tuning is an evolution of the E13th tuning and combines most of the elements of E9th & C6th (B6th in this case) tunings. The above articles will reveal a lot.

Graham

Fred Shannon
Member

From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 05 April 2004 10:40 AM     profile     
Graham, thanks so much. I had searched the Forum over without finding them..


fred

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Joe Finley
Member

From: Ozark Arkansas USA

posted 05 April 2004 11:17 AM     profile     
I would go to Zane and asked if he had a regular E9th guitar in the house so I could play or should I say attempt to play along. He would laugh and say no, but here play my tuning, all you have to do is throw this knee lever and everything is back to normal E9th. Sure, as I fumbled along. I finally gave up. He would laugh and scratch his head. He just couldnt understand why everybody didnt think like he did. It was easy for him. I believe you could have put any combination of strings on the guitar and he would play it. There is alot of ShoBud that has Zane on it when he worked for them. I believe he told me he had a hand in the volume pedal with ShoBud.

[This message was edited by Joe Finley on 06 April 2004 at 08:05 AM.]

Graham Griffith
Member

From: Glebe, N.S.W., Australia

posted 05 April 2004 01:35 PM     profile     
Joe, indeed Zane told me that he designed the ShoBud volume pedal while he worked for them. He also told me that he actually changed over the mechanism for Buddy Emmons went from having the so-called "chromatic strings" F# & D# on strings 9 & 10 and putting them on top on strings 1 & 2 ... the first "standard" tuned E9th 10 stringer. I can't remember if he mentioned a year though. I'm sure it was him ... so many other anecdotes on this post correspond with what he told me when I was fortunate enough to have spent time with him.

Graham

Tom Moorman
Member

From: Decatur, GA USA

posted 08 April 2004 01:39 PM     profile     
I remember seeing Zane at the Tennessee Steel Guitar Club convention in 1977. He was joined by Curley Chalker on guitar and Buddy Emmons on bass. They had a ball.
Harley Morris
Member

From: Riverside, California, USA

posted 08 April 2004 06:00 PM     profile     
Back in 1985 my wife and myself was going to Nashville for a convention with this company that I was working for---anyway we were going to stop in Little Rock to visit an ole boy that I was in the Marines with, also in a country band with while he was out here in California. He was looking forward for us coming out there, and said that he had a friend that played steel, and that he had set-up a jam session so we could do some picking while I was out there. The steel player was Zane Beck. The bad news is that he died about a week before we made that trip, and of course we never had that jam session, although he took me and the wife out to Zane's place, and we met his wife, and visited for awhile. I did get to play alittle on a S-10 he had hanging around there. I sure would have liked to have met the man.....That's my Zane Beck story.... Harley Morris
B.Jenkins
Member

From: Parkersburg, WV...U.S.A

posted 08 April 2004 07:05 PM     profile     
There is a fellow here in my home town bought a B.M.I. off of Zane years ago. with Zanes setup on it,
And no one here could play it, so he put it back in the case after a few weeks, and decided it was way above him, and thats where it has been all of these years,
It is mint condition ,Black in color and single 12 ..
It's for sale I was told.
Billy Jenkins

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